Bellator or UFC tonight?

[Jesus Freak]

I never suggested anything about toughness. It seems there's no rhyme or reason as to why you think or say things. No sense in wasting time reading your posts, let alone debating with you, as a result.

I always give credit where credit is due...you're a decent writer.

Think about it though...no one is raving about the implications of the Curran/Pitbull bout, as opposed to the obvious division implications surrounding the Mousasi/Jacare fight.

Going against the grain does not make you a bigger MMA fan, Brah! The fact that you're even aware of two sweet cards going on at once is enough to deduce that you're a fan. Quit trying so hard, Brah!

GROUP HUG!!!

 

[synyster]

both... one on the PC the other on the TV

 

[Jawth]

Deep with Joe Warren as your champ not long ago? You must have stupid lodged in your brain.

The thing with prospects is that they have to beat top guys before they can advance past being a prospect. Prospects beating prospects doesn't prove they are elite or even good. Prospects beating some journeymen fighters who couldn't hack it in the big leagues also doesn't mean they're any good. The fact of the matter remains that the UFC signs most of the best guys from other orgs. So the guys who still fight in the smaller orgs aren't good enough for the UFC.

Guys like Mousasi and Jacare a couple fights ago?

 

[jeff7b9]

8pm Bellator
10pm UFC Main Event

DVR everything and go back and watch UFC prelims (and anything I missed while trying to put my kids to bed)

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

We've seen how the UFC's rejects go to other orgs and dominate the competition there. It's no question they have the best guys in the UFC (minus Fedor and Askren and a few others).

But what top guys from Bellator have done great in the UFC? Lombard, but he had to drop divisions and he's only beaten Marquardt and Shields. I can't name any others but none of great note.

I thought you weren't one of those Zuffa shills who think UFC = MMA, yet you made that blanket statement.

UFC rejects haven't exactly gone to Bellator and dominated there, especially at fw. As aforementioned Nunes got starched by Pitbull, and then lost a controversial one to just a guy for Bellator in Matt Bessette. Pretty much all of Bellator's contenders from 170 on down are originals. Naturally that would be the case because as aforementioned Bellator paid all their guys (sans bw's) the same amount, and the tourney was an easy way to make some quick money. So they accumulated a pretty talented pool of fighters, including many guys who were top prospects b4 joining Bellator.

How exactly are former Bellator fighters supposed to make a big dent in UFC when all but a few that have joined are rejects (and Makovsky has done pretty well btw)? Nobody is claiming that Bellator is better, as good, or near it. Just that there is a group at the top of most divisions who would be factors in the UFC. They need their shot en masse though, like SF and WEC got. Once they received it, they proved their worth and became factors, just like Curran and Pitbull in all likelihood would.

 

[RockUmSockUm]

Mousasi vs. Jacare may have implications, you mean like one of them could maybe get a title fight?!? Curran vs. Pitbull IS a title fight.

Title implications in the stacked UFC MW division means a lot more than a title fight in the Bellator FW division.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Deep with Joe Warren as your champ not long ago? You must have stupid lodged in your brain.

The thing with prospects is that they have to beat top guys before they can advance past being a prospect. Prospects beating prospects doesn't prove they are elite or even good. Prospects beating some journeymen fighters who couldn't hack it in the big leagues also doesn't mean they're any good. The fact of the matter remains that the UFC signs most of the best guys from other orgs. So the guys who still fight in the smaller orgs aren't good enough for the UFC.

He KO'd Soto in the 2nd to win that :icon_lol: I don't care that Soto fights at 135 now, I really don't.. Same size guys, they just cut down more in the UFC.

NO, YOU ARE WRONG. Whoever wins between PB and Curran tonight is the #4 FW in the world, and I am giving Cub and the LOSER of Mendes v Aldo a bump because I do appreciate guys fighting in the biggest org. If Curran would not have lost that decision to Strauss, I would have the winner of this fight the #2 FW in the world.. And most EXPERTS would agree with that.

 

[Jesus Freak]

Mousasi vs. Jacare may have implications, you mean like one of them could maybe get a title fight?!? Curran vs. Pitbull IS a title fight.

No one's debating it's a title fight...no one seems to be raving about it either!

UFC Middleweight Division > Bellasnore Featherweight Division

 

[Amerikuracana]

Title implications in the stacked UFC MW division means a lot more than a title fight in the Bellator FW division.

Bellator FW is really close to UFC FW.. Although over the last two years the UFC has again taken the clear lead. But Curran and PB are products of a couple year period where there was an argument for Bellator having the best FW division in the world.


Guys like Sandro and Nunes could not hang in it..

 

[jeff7b9]

It's funny how that changes so quickly, right? In a couple years Pitbull and Curran will likely be in the UFC and used to make the next #2 org's top fighters look completely irrelevant in comparison. And when pointed out they themselves used to be among the #2 org's top fighters, it'll be rationalized that the UFC gave them a magic pill that made them dramatically improve in between.

Or you could just be mildy rational about it, realize that guys in the #2 or 3 org MIGHT be just as good as the top guy (or better) But recognize that you won't really know until you see them against proven top tier competition.

Everyone loves to point out the guys who came to the UFC and did well while conveniently omitting all the supposed killer that came to the UFC and couldn't cut it. For every Bendo and Melendez there are Jorge Santiago's and Mayhem Millers who didnt rule the UFC when they got there.

 

[Diet Otsuka]

Well Bobby Lashley is more yoked than overeem, so I guess we all know which card the real a level athletes are on.

 

[theheater]

both are actually good cards. Wow.

Kongo/Johnson sounds like a KO waiting to happen.

Id be happy if this was a stand up battle but kongo has become the master at turning failed td attempts in to wall n stall and groin strikes

I expect kong to be on him like velcro until lavar gasses. Hope im wrong and lavar is able to keep distance and get the ko

 

[Jawth]

Title implications in the stacked UFC MW division means a lot more than a title fight in the Bellator FW division.

In your opinion. Just because more people are watching one fight doesn't make it better or the fighters more skilled.

No one's debating it's a title fight...no one seems to be raving about it either!

No one is raving about a Bellator title fight in a UFC subforum? Shocking! Actually, a handful have either said they like the fight better or it's about even, so you're wrong.

UFC Middleweight Division > Bellasnore Featherweight Division

You're an idiot.

 

[JosephTessaro]

I will watch Bellator live, DVR the UFC card. Odd, but true.

 

[RockUmSockUm]

Guys like Mousasi and Jacare a couple fights ago?

No, because SF was proven to be a legit org when they had some of the top guys like Fedor, Barnett, etc on their roster. They went on to further show they had top guys when they came over to the UFC and dominated.

Bellator fights have yet to have the same success in the UFC. Alvarez will be a good test, but for his first fight he gets Cerrone instead of a title fight.

 

[NeverAgainPlaya]

I'm pissed off - my dvr box took a shit on me day before yesterday and my comcast is "out of stock" and I've got to wait 10-14 business days, so I'm going to inevitably miss one of these cards. It's going to have to be bellator. There's just no way in hell I'm going to not see reem/ben, jacare/moose and lauzon/chiesa. Fights are simply too damn awesome to skip.

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

Or you could just be mildy rational about it, realize that guys in the #2 or 3 org MIGHT be just as good as the top guy (or better) But recognize that you won't really know until you see them against proven top tier competition.

Everyone loves to point out the guys who came to the UFC and did well while conveniently omitting all the supposed killer that came to the UFC and couldn't cut it. For every Bendi and Melendez there are Jorge Santiago's and Mayhem Millers who didnt rule the UFC when they got there.

I think it's being perfectly rational when a high majority of the fighters expected to pan out, did. So you play the odds and trust your eyes. Not that Curran or Pitbull have resumes that don't demand some respect and remove the classification of prospect.

I don't get how Jorge Santiago is relevant at all when he fought in Japan and I never bought the hype. Mayhem, I never thought would be a contender, but that he was a good fighter, and he did nothing in UFC to dissuade that belief. He lost to Bisping and then with a blown knee, Dolloway. But he was kicking Dolloway's ass at times in spite of being on one leg, and nearly finished him like twice. Since Dolloway has proven to be a good fighter. That fight if anything suggested that Mayhem was the much better fighter than a good one when factoring in the circumstances. Speaking of rationality, you shouldn't rationally put any stock in a loss for a fighter on a blown acl, case in point Cain the first time against JDS, before almost literally killing him, twice.

 

[Jesus Freak]

In your opinion. Just because more people are watching one fight doesn't make it better or the fighters more skilled.



No one is raving about a Bellator title fight in a UFC subforum? Shocking! Actually, a handful have either said they like the fight better or it's about even, so you're wrong.



You're an idiot.

Mr. Coker...is that...you???

 

[Literally Bricked]

Both because the UFC starts at 10 and Bellator starts a 8.

 

[Jawth]

No, because SF was proven to be a legit org when they had some of the top guys like Fedor, Barnett, etc on their roster. They went on to further show they had top guys when they came over to the UFC and dominated.

Bellator fights have yet to have the same success in the UFC. Alvarez will be a good test, but for his first fight he gets Cerrone instead of a title fight.

Lombard came over and annihilated two former Strikeforce champions along with a future WSOF champion.