Bellator or UFC tonight?

[RockUmSockUm]

Yes, Curran and Pitbull would be run of the mill in the same division where Nik Lentz and Dennis Siver are top ten. Both actually got their spots by winning decisions against Nunes, who Pitbull starched.

But, Curran and Pitbull are in another org so they must suck. Kind of like Gegard and Jacare before they came over, right?

Calm down man, it's just an opinion. Nunes was hot sh*t when he was in the UFC and with NU. Then he got kicked out of NU, went to Bellator, and hasn't looked very good at all, going 0-2.

I haven't seen much from Curran to believe he's a top FW, especially considering the size advantage he has over everyone he fights.

I'm not one of these Zuffa=MMA shills, I just call it like I see it.

 

[The Judas Pig]

Ufc.

Has viva dropped bellator in the UK? I can't find anything on their site.

 

[bigconan]

You mean on the Bellaforce card, right? Mousasi/Jacare is easily the best fight of the night (on paper anyway).

Personally, I'm looking to see how Overeem performs. He seems to always find a way to lose. Not sure what it is. I'm a huge reem fan. He's a great kickboxer. But seems to fight like crap in mma.

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

Yes, Curran and Pitbull would be run of the mill in the same division where Nik Lentz and Dennis Siver are top ten. Both actually got their spots by winning decisions against Nunes, who Pitbull starched.

But, Curran and Pitbull are in another org so they must suck. Kind of like Gegard and Jacare before they came over, right?

It's funny how that changes so quickly, right? In a couple years Pitbull and Curran will likely be in the UFC and used to make the next #2 org's top fighters look completely irrelevant in comparison. And when pointed out they themselves used to be among the #2 org's top fighters, it'll be rationalized that the UFC gave them a magic pill that made them dramatically improve in between.

 

[Jesus Freak]

It's not about being a bigger MMA fan, as opposed to less of a sucker, and producing max enjoyment out of life. That's part of the criteria for decisions I make. I couldn't care less about who is a bigger MMA fan. That's a sad contest.

You're ajudging the fight in Bellator to be inherently less relevant because of the name on the lip of the cage. Making an analogy of Bellator to a regional promotion drives that reality home. Those are the statements of someone being a sucker. You care about the promotion, rather than the fighters. Bellator fw's get paid well, Pitbull + Curran have solid resumes, and pass the eye test. Do your homework. It's subjective as hell which is the better fight. I have zero opinion other than it is clearly debatable if you know your stuff. And if you don't you'd be wiser not to weigh in on the matter.

You're too cute!

Jacare/Moose > Curran/Pitbull

That's the word around the campfire, Tough Guy!

 

[RockUmSockUm]

Lol at mid-tier fw and cut to bw.

You said yourself he's an over-sized fw so cutting to bw doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

And a guy with his size and well-roundedness is not a mid-tier fighter anywhere. Bellator paid their fw's the same as their hw's. As a result they have a very deep fw division. The champion of it is not mid-tier. Either you're being UFC or size biased here.

I don't see that he's beaten anyone who would make him a top FW.

 

[Towelie by TKO]

Kongo gonna wall install Lavar. UFC all the way.

 

[RockUmSockUm]

It's funny how that changes so quickly, right? In a couple years Pitbull and Curran will likely be in the UFC and used to make the next #2 org's top fighters look completely irrelevant in comparison. And when pointed out they themselves used to be among the #2 org's top fighters, it'll be rationalized that the UFC gave them a magic pill that made them dramatically improve in between.

We've seen how the UFC's rejects go to other orgs and dominate the competition there. It's no question they have the best guys in the UFC (minus Fedor and Askren and a few others).

But what top guys from Bellator have done great in the UFC? Lombard, but he had to drop divisions and he's only beaten Marquardt and Shields. I can't name any others but none of great note.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I do not think Curran v PB will overlap with Mousasi v Jakare.. I think Mousasi v Jakare is my favorite fight of the night, with Curran v PB close behind.. With Reem v Rothwell next, and son on.. I will watch the individual fights I think are the best live, and DVR both.

If Curran v PB is on at the same time as Reem v Rothwell, I watch Curran v PB..

 

[Andre Xiong]

when Alistair Overeem is "only" the co-main event, it's a good card. Remember the article recently, events are watched because of anticipation, not hindsight results. I'm sure the Bellator FW title fight will deliver but it's going up against Overeem followed by a top 5 middleweight showdown

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

You're too cute!

Jacare/Moose > Curran/Pitbull

That's the word around the campfire, Tough Guy!

I never suggested anything about toughness. It seems there's no rhyme or reason as to why you think or say things. No sense in wasting time reading your posts, let alone debating with you, as a result.

 

[RockUmSockUm]

Personally, I'm looking to see how Overeem performs. He seems to always find a way to lose. Not sure what it is. I'm a huge reem fan. He's a great kickboxer. But seems to fight like crap in mma.

Overeem fights always have great potential, but are have been let downs lately. I want him to win and get to the top of the division, but his ego, chin, and cardio will always have him in the lower top 10. Meanwhile I think Mousasi/Jacare winner could get a title shot.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I don't see that he's beaten anyone who would make him a top FW.

That's beause you have the stupid goggles on. Take them off. Bellator has had deep FW for 5 years now. It is right there with the UFC. Don't be an idiot.


"Derp I don't see any UFC guys on that record so what's so impressive about it derp."

Bellator signed better FW prospects over a three year period a while back and therefore had about as good of a division for a while. I think the UFC has again surpassed Bellator in FLWs, but Curran and PB would BOTH be right there for a title shot if/when they came/come over.. Because despite what Dana SAYS, he isn't as dumb about MMA as you.

 

[Jesus Freak]

when Alistair Overeem is "only" the co-main event, it's a good card. Remember the article recently, events are watched because of anticipation, not hindsight results. I'm sure the Bellator FW title fight will deliver but it's going up against Overeem followed by a top 5 middleweight showdown

Beautiful answer!

It's like some Sherdoggers are trying to prove they're The World's Greatest MMA Fan by going against the grain!

Curran vs. Pitbull should be a sweet scrap, but is anyone talking about what happens AFTER that fight??? No! Meanwhile, we all know that Jacare vs. Mousasi may have a ton of implications within their division.

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

I don't see that he's beaten anyone who would make him a top FW.

Pitbull, Straus, Sandro, Shamhalaev, Warren, Palomino, etc. is a very good resume. Especially, Pitbull, look who he is beaten.

If the criteria for anyone is fighter in the UFC, hard to meet that outside the UFC. They need to fight in the UFC to get that chance.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Yes, Curran and Pitbull would be run of the mill in the same division where Nik Lentz and Dennis Siver are top ten. Both actually got their spots by winning decisions against Nunes, who Pitbull starched.

But, Curran and Pitbull are in another org so they must suck. Kind of like Gegard and Jacare before they came over, right?

That pretty much sums it up nicely.

 

[Jawth]

We've seen how the UFC's rejects go to other orgs and dominate the competition there. It's no question they have the best guys in the UFC (minus Fedor and Askren and a few others).

But what top guys from Bellator have done great in the UFC? Lombard, but he had to drop divisions and he's only beaten Marquardt and Shields. I can't name any others but none of great note.

Really? Give me an example of that happening in Bellator, aside from Rampage (who wasn't cut anyway, his contract was up) being fed easy opponents and Tito subbing a guy he had like thirty pounds on.

Also, Lombard beat the shit out of Palhares and Boestch won a gift decision over him.

 

[RockUmSockUm]

That's beause you have the stupid goggles on. Take them off. Bellator has had deep FW for 5 years now. It is right there with the UFC. Don't be an idiot.


"Derp I don't see any UFC guys on that record so what's so impressive about it derp."

Bellator signed better FW prospects over a three year period a while back and therefore had about as good of a division for a while. I think the UFC has again surpassed Bellator in FLWs, but Curran and PB would BOTH be right there for a title shot if/when they came/come over.. Because despite what Dana SAYS, he isn't as dumb about MMA as you.

Deep with Joe Warren as your champ not long ago? You must have stupid lodged in your brain.

The thing with prospects is that they have to beat top guys before they can advance past being a prospect. Prospects beating prospects doesn't prove they are elite or even good. Prospects beating some journeymen fighters who couldn't hack it in the big leagues also doesn't mean they're any good. The fact of the matter remains that the UFC signs most of the best guys from other orgs. So the guys who still fight in the smaller orgs aren't good enough for the UFC.

 

[theycallitMurda]

UFC. I don't fancy sitting at my computer for Bellator, which us UK fans have to do. All of UFC will be on my tv in HD.

 

[Jawth]

Beautiful answer!

It's like some Sherdoggers are trying to prove they're The World's Greatest MMA Fan by going against the grain!

Curran vs. Pitbull should be a sweet scrap, but is anyone talking about what happens AFTER that fight??? No! Meanwhile, we all know that Jacare vs. Mousasi may have a ton of implications within their division.

Mousasi vs. Jacare may have implications, you mean like one of them could maybe get a title fight?!? Curran vs. Pitbull IS a title fight.