Beaulieu Boxing Equipment

[KounterPunch]

You forgot to add "no offence" !

 

[GHVA226]

a slight change would be nice,Bill is the designer,innovator,architect(analogy), historian of boxing gear,the mind behind BEAULIEU boxing equipment and i am a very glad associate of his who is proud to work with him and benfit from his vast knowledge and experience in the feild of boxing.i have utmost repect for Bill because of these qualities.and for the record most of the earnings of BEAULIEU goes to breast cancer research in USA as Bill himself is devoted to that cause.working with a noble and knowlegeable person like Bill who learned his gloves making skills from Al Zimer and Dan Mosbay is a real honour that only hounerable people can understand...working for bill is for greater cause.it is beyond narrow mindness/thinking and money...

With all due respect buddy, and I am a fan of Beaulieu's gear as you can see by my posts, let Bill answer for his brand as he finds fit. I do agree with others in that you are doing a disservice to Beaulieu by keeping this going.
BTW, you don't set the price or the brands' strategy, how can you speak for the company?
As a contractor you should answer questions specific to the manufacture, the materials, etc.

FWIW, Bill is a great guy to deal with and the gear is high quality...

Just my 2 cents...

 

[BigCP84**]

The blue and white gloves on eBay look flawed at the finger tips.

The red and white look the same as the blue and white... maybe it is a pattern issue, or they are suppose to be like that.

 

[mmaboxing1]

You can buy a cleto reyes glove for the same amount as these gloves. The designs are nice but there is not enough user info and usage by people to warrant the same price as high end gloves. These should be closer to the cost of ringside/title gloves. If the product lives up to the hype and proves to be a good quality glove then the prices can be justified but 9/10 people will go for a well known glove company like cleto reyes for 150-200 dollars than these gloves. The custom gloves are not too expensive around 175.00 but the intro prices of 150.00 is too much. No disrespect but more like an input from a consumer.

 

[KounterPunch]

^this.

 

[BigCP84**]

Just one last point, as I just noticeded this. I only read parts of what you write, don't take it personally; when people clump everything together it makes hard for me to follow, espacially when I am reading on my phone. But you mentioned about buying food, and telling them another store has it cheaper...

In Canada, and I believe USA as well, 99% of the stores now (encluding food and electronic) offer price matching; so, if one store is selling the same item at a lower price, the store you are at will match it if you show them the lower price.

 

[shihtzu]

Topboxer (no offense and with respect) is probably planning to ruin Bill's business before it starts... Otherwise I see no reason for his monologues here.
To be honest to me it really sounds silly when a manufacturer from Pakistan who charges for custom gloves more than the famous and proved Mexican brands arogantly tells us how ungrateful we are

 

[BigCP84**]

Aslo, when you practically copy Cleto Reyes's logo, people are going to compare you to Cleto Reyes; after all you are charging the same kind of money for your gear.

 

[shihtzu]

Btw, looking at the picture of Reyes do you want another pair of them as badly as I do? No, I should not buy any... do not need them... should not buy... no more Reyes:icon_lol:

 

[mmaboxing1]

i guess you have a glove addiction too? lol. Always get tempted too. Some reyes in white or yellow. At least with reyes they are affordable not like winning and grant gloves.

 

[Minowafanatic]

I had to look hard to see the similarity between the logos. Stretching there. The logo has hardly changed from when they were on Mosby made gloves, it looks about as similar as Windy's logo as it does Reyes i.e they don't look similar. I think the 14oz gloves at $90 are a very good deal, I don't see any error at the fingertips in the stock photos and not sure what people were actually referring to there, and Gus had a pair before and didn't mention anything about that. At the higher priced custom gear I'd say you can get better quality at a similar price from Mexican made equipment though.

 

[mmaboxing1]

I had to look hard to see the similarity between the logos. Stretching there. The logo has hardly changed from when they were on Mosby made gloves, it looks about as similar as Windy's logo as it does Reyes i.e they don't look similar. I think the 14oz gloves at $90 are a very good deal, I don't see any error at the fingertips in the stock photos and not sure what people were actually referring to there, and Gus had a pair before and didn't mention anything about that. At the higher priced custom gear I'd say you can get better quality at a similar price from Mexican made equipment though.

That's the starting bid though its not the buy now price at least from the one i saw on ebay. Those usually sell for $150.00

 

[Minowafanatic]

No, they don't usually sell for $150, and never have. Don't know where you got that from.

http://www.ebay.com/csc/billboxing15/m.html?LH_Complete=1&_ipg=50&_since=15&_sop=13&_rdc=1

There you'll see the actual prices they go for. Nobody bids on those 14s. If the seller wasn't happy with that price they wouldn't start it there and let it end there.

Just one last point, as I just noticeded this. I only read parts of what you write, don't take it personally; when people clump everything together it makes hard for me to follow, espacially when I am reading on my phone. But you mentioned about buying food, and telling them another store has it cheaper...

In Canada, and I believe USA as well, 99% of the stores now (encluding food and electronic) offer price matching; so, if one store is selling the same item at a lower price, the store you are at will match it if you show them the lower price.

They're not the same product so it's not a good analogy. They're apples and oranges. Reyes =/= Beaulieu gloves.

The fact that something is made in Pakistan or Mexico is wholly irrelevant. Equipment's not automatically better because it's made in Japan or because it's made in the USA or Thailand or wherever. It's a better product if it's made with better craftmanship and materials and with a good design.

How can Beaulieu products be priced as highly as Mexican retailers? Well, Morales gloves Hecho En Mexico are about $80 off the top of my head. Some Solo gloves too may be even less. Clearly not all Pakistani made gloves will be below $80, or deserve to be. The point is that the country where they're made doesn't matter a lot once you actually have the end product in your hands. Did anyone here get really high hopes when Everlast announced their Made In Thailand range, for instance? I hope not.

"As a new brand they shouldn't be priced so highly when they've not been established (like the older Mexican brands which everyone knows are good)." paraphrasing. This is more a criticism of the business model if anything. If it's too expensive for someone personally to risk then fine, but if sales are good then your own financial limitation doesn't matter at all to the seller, and if enough people are happy to take the risk then why would it? Regardless, it doesn't need mentioning more than once.

A last complaint I found annoying was that there isn't a website. Some people just need to be completely spoonfed.

The criticism you want to make is that you believe you can get better quality of craftmanship and materials in a similar price range, possibly with that same depth of customisation from other brands. That's actually what's important - the product and its value, and to a lesser extent the service involved.

My own complaints would be a lack of professionalism in terms of presentation etc and the replies in this thread too, more guidance and detailed product descriptions are needed, and the pricing needs to become stable and less ambiguous. This is the biggest thing for me. I think people who should be most interested in the line are those in Europe rather than the US, too, because of low shipping costs which aren't represented by the ebay estimate (going back to poor presentation).

 

[shihtzu]

Quite agree with the said above. Though personally I would most probably always pick up Mexican gear rather than Pakistani if the prices and quality are similar, however that's nothing more but a personal preference.
Actually even the price determination is more difficult than it seems. Reyes makes tons of gloves. Bill's orders are nothing comparing to this. So actually Bill's expenses on one pair might be more or less equal to Reyes expenses despite Pakistan is in general cheaper.
Imo for 90 dollars Bill's gloves are a very good value. However (despite they are more expensive) I would always prefer an excellent pair of Reyes. Well, I actually would always prefer Winning, but that's another story... I love Winning, I regulary cheat on them but they are and will always be my only true love:icon_lol:

 

[BigCP84**]

No, they don't usually sell for $150, and never have. Don't know where you got that from.

Last time I checked ebay, the white and gold were $195 or so, custom cloves with gold were more than custom gloves with std. colours, where were $150.

They're not the same product so it's not a good analogy. They're apples and oranges. Reyes =/= Beaulieu gloves.

Of course they are apples and oranges, Cletos are > than Beulieu, but I was not comparing them, I was just informing him is that you can negotiate the price of yogurt...

The fact that something is made in Pakistan or Mexico is wholly irrelevant. Equipment's not automatically better because it's made in Japan or because it's made in the USA or Thailand or wherever. It's a better product if it's made with better craftmanship and materials and with a good design.

History and proven usage makes them better.

"As a new brand they shouldn't be priced so highly when they've not been established (like the older Mexican brands which everyone knows are good)." paraphrasing. This is more a criticism of the business model if anything. If it's too expensive for someone personally to risk then fine, but if sales are good then your own financial limitation doesn't matter at all to the seller, and if enough people are happy to take the risk then why would it? Regardless, it doesn't need mentioning more than once.

Well going by the prices on ebay now (the white and gold custom gloves), they droped the price, so maybe sales weren't going so well... For more reasonably priced custome gloves/gear I would talk to Mike (Gorilla), Dan (Golden), or Juan (King of Mexico)... My JC's were $110 for custom gloves, Shevlins were $115. My special colour 18oz Cleto Reyes were $154... Even the new IMFs at $120 which they dropped to $99 were on the high side for Pakistani made gloves; the Heritage are on a completely different level and nothing on the market even touches them yet.

Also, the logo is more like the old school Everlast logo rather than the Reyes, I noticed that in the gym today, one of the corner pads on the ring has them.

 

[Minowafanatic]

Last time I checked ebay, the white and gold were $195 or so, custom cloves with gold were more than custom gloves with std. colours, where were $150.

And the 14oz gloves are $90. Which is what he and I were talking about. Not the custom ones.

History and proven usage makes them better.

Are the actual gloves just for show then? No, they're the only thing that matters in the end. Mexican history won't count for anything if the gloves fall apart. Ask Clamp and his JCs and what their previously proven usage does for him. If they're made better, they're better gloves, and it's that simple. If something's got more history? Only thing it affects is your expectation, it doesn't make them any better. If someone reviews gloves, they don't put in the con section "lack of history..therefore poor quality" or "not enough background lore".

Casanova have a similar logo too. I wouldn't hold it against them though.

 

[BigCP84**]

And the 14oz gloves are $90. Which is what he and I were talking about. Not the custom ones.



Are the actual gloves just for show then? No, they're the only thing that matters in the end. Mexican history won't count for anything if the gloves fall apart. Ask Clamp and his JCs and what their previously proven usage does for him. If they're made better, they're better gloves, and it's that simple. If something's got more history? Only thing it affects is your expectation, it doesn't make them any better.

Casanova have a similar logo too. I don't think they copied Everlast though.

I dont know how long JC has been around (my gloves are still perfect besides the initial paint fade), but Reyes and Seyer have been around the longest according to Jaun. But just like I think Mexican fighters are > than the rest, I think Mexican gloves/gear is better > than the rest, but that is just a personal feeling.

I am sure Everlast is older than Cassanova, and that Casanova copied the Everlast logo as well.

 

[Minowafanatic]

I think you missed my point

 

[BigCP84**]

I think you missed my point

You had a point?

 

[Minowafanatic]

they were the ones you replied to with non-sequiturs. Are Reyes better than JCs because they have more history? Is that what you're saying?