Batman vs. Daredevil - Who wins?

[Mike]

My bad, bro. I meant to vote for Batman. Murdock wouldn't go out like a chump, but he would eventually get beaten.

Lol ok.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Here's a link to a reddit DD respect thread.


https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2dzadn/respect_the_man_without_fear_daredevil/


Some notable feats:


1. Fighting evenly with Sabretooth and even gaining the upper hand, including punching him through a brick wall more than once.


2. Using his club to deflect gunfire form multiple targets. That's right, not just dodging a gunmans aim but standing in the path of a bullet and having the reflexes to swat it away, and he does this a LOT.


3. Beating up tombstone, and using a sledgehammer to ko him since he has low level invulnerability.


4. Expert tracking through sound, avoiding snipers purely through sound.


5. Curbstomping the punisher and bullseye, fighting Captain America to stalemate.


6. Koing the kingpin using both resourcefulness and brutality.


7. Fighting off The Taskmaster, one of the MU's best h2h fighters, while beating up several other villains simultaneously.


8. Dodging automatic weapons fire out in the open at point blank range fro multiple shooters.

Thats the writers getting a little too zealous.

He shouldn't be allowed to hang w/ Sabretooth or Cap for long.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I agree with most of that, except Batman doesn't have Daredevils absurd speed feats. And we're not talking one offs either, DD has tons and tons of them across multiple generations of comics.


And not just the Hand. DD has fought all kinds of super powered ninja types, just like Iron Fist. They're in that same genre. And yes the rank and file suck, but the top hand guys are legit, the same as the top LOA guys are some of the best fighters in the DCU.

I saw Batman kill a ninja once by mistake.

Ninja, "Excellent! I see you too have mastered Kirgi's Vibrating Palm Strike!"(falls down dead).

Batman, "If I'd mastered it, you'd still be alive".

 

[KnightTemplar]

My bad, bro. I meant to vote for Batman. Murdock wouldn't go out like a chump, but he would eventually get beaten.

Oh, Mike, even I feel bad for you over this one, bro

 

[TheLastSpartan]

Lol at Batman being, "human". His canon stats include a 1,000lb raw Bench at a body weight of 210. No human could do that, even if they dedicated themselves to nothing but Powerlifting. Batman does it while also mastering 127 different styles of martial arts, escapology, offensive and defensive driving, forensic science, engineering, computer science, criminal investigation techniques - World's Greatest Detective, remember? - and just about every other skill-set one can imagine.

And that along with ridiculous plot armor is why I can't take Batman seriously. Even in a fictional world full of impossibilities.

Going by feats and physical attributes, Batman is clearly a metahuman or enhanced human.

The fact that he's supposed to be a normal human is literally illogical.

At least Spidey has the radiation excuse, Cap and Deathstroke were engineered through super soldier serums, Wolvie is a mutant, Bane has venom juice, Black Panther ate the heart shaped herb and was blessed by the Panther god etc. It all makes logical sense.

But Batman's abilities and accomplishments? Absolutely illogical.

 

[KnightTemplar]

And that along with ridiculous plot armor is why I can't take Batman seriously. Even in a fictional world full of impossibilities.

Going by feats and physical attributes, Batman is clearly a metahuman or enhanced human.

The fact that he's supposed to be a normal human is literally illogical.

At least Spidey has the radiation excuse, Cap and Deathstroke were engineered through super soldier serums, Wolvie is a mutant, Bane has venom juice, Black Panther ate the heart shaped herb and was blessed by the Panther god etc. It all makes logical sense.

But Batman's abilities and accomplishments? Absolutely illogical.

Agreed.

 

[Mike]

Thats the writers getting a little too zealous.

He shouldn't be allowed to hang w/ Sabretooth or Cap for long.

I didn't mind the sabretooth fight because he couldn't ko him, he just had the speed to hang with him. Pretty much the same with the Cap fight.

 

[FyrFytr998]

And that along with ridiculous plot armor is why I can't take Batman seriously. Even in a fictional world full of impossibilities.

Going by feats and physical attributes, Batman is clearly a metahuman or enhanced human.

The fact that he's supposed to be a normal human is literally illogical.

At least Spidey has the radiation excuse, Cap and Deathstroke were engineered through super soldier serums, Wolvie is a mutant, Bane has venom juice, Black Panther ate the heart shaped herb and was blessed by the Panther god etc. It all makes logical sense.

But Batman's abilities and accomplishments? Absolutely illogical.

I could get behind this argument for Batman being augmented. Either through tech or through some LoS ritual.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I didn't mind the sabretooth fight because he couldn't ko him, he just had the speed to hang with him. Pretty much the same with the Cap fight.

Sabretooth is legit superhuman, though. DD's sonar would keep him a step or two ahead of Sabretooth until he started to fade and then goooosh...intestines.

 

[Mike]

Oh, Mike, even I feel bad for you over this one, bro

I fell into Ramas carefully constructed trap

And that along with ridiculous plot armor is why I can't take Batman seriously. Even in a fictional world full of impossibilities.

Going by feats and physical attributes, Batman is clearly a metahuman or enhanced human.

The fact that he's supposed to be a normal human is literally illogical.

At least Spidey has the radiation excuse, Cap and Deathstroke were engineered through super soldier serums, Wolvie is a mutant, Bane has venom juice, Black Panther ate the heart shaped herb and was blessed by the Panther god etc. It all makes logical sense.

But Batman's abilities and accomplishments? Absolutely illogical.

That's why vs fights with him suck. He has all kinds of weird one off stuff, then the next issue he's struggling to subdue two-face or sitting in the corner while they fight Mongul.


Either it's asinine that he ever struggles with anyone in Gotham, or it's asinine he can ever hang with Lobo or Grundy.

 

[Mike]

Sabretooth is legit superhuman, though. DD's sonar would keep him a step or two ahead of Sabretooth until he started to fade and then goooosh...intestines.

Yeah if that fight continued inevitably he would get tired and then splattered. The way it went down with him beating on him for awhile until a plot device intervened I could believe.


Sabretooths healing puts him past most street level guys.

 

[Mike]

I could get behind this argument for Batman being augmented. Either through tech or through some LoS ritual.

If they just came out and said he developed a super suit like Stark, or made his own serum I wouldn't have an issue. It's saying he's a human, he mostly fights other humans that are competitive with him, then he trashes metahumans.


Nah that makes no sense.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

If they just came out and said he developed a super suit like Stark, or made his own serum I wouldn't have an issue. It's saying he's a human, he mostly fights other humans that are competitive with him, then he trashes metahumans.


Nah that makes no sense.

Its not out of the question that DD could beat Bats.

 

[prod2821]

it's out of the question that DD could beat Bats

*leaves*

 

[FyrFytr998]

Its not out of the question that DD could beat Bats.

No it's not, but if DD doesn't do it fast, then the edge goes in Batmans favor. Like I said before, in "Eye For An Eye", Batman immediately noticed that DD missed a visual clue, and concluded he was blind shortly after. Game over. Gas grenades, Percussion Grenades, Sonic Disruptor. He even took advantage of DD catching his Batarangs by drop kicking him.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

No it's not, but if DD doesn't do it fast, then the edge goes in Batmans favor. Like I said before, in "Eye For An Eye", Batman immediately noticed that DD missed a visual clue, and concluded he was blind shortly after. Game over. Gas grenades, Percussion Grenades, Sonic Disruptor. He even took advantage of DD catching his Batarangs by drop kicking him.

I never read that, but that is exactly how I see it going down. Perhaps at night, DD would have a bigger advantage and not show his cards.

 

[FyrFytr998]

I never read that, but that is exactly how I see it going down. Perhaps at night, DD would have a bigger advantage and not show his cards.

Good read. And it was Batman doing the heavy lifting vs. Mr. Hyde, not DD.

 

[Mike]

Its not out of the question that DD could beat Bats.

I certainly think so. I think people have gotten the idea I think DD stomps because I've argued for him strongly. I just object to the idea Batman stomps. It's a closely contested fight to me.


Daredevil not getting enough respek put n his name imo. He's no easy fight for any street level guy.

 

[Mike]

No it's not, but if DD doesn't do it fast, then the edge goes in Batmans favor. Like I said before, in "Eye For An Eye", Batman immediately noticed that DD missed a visual clue, and concluded he was blind shortly after. Game over. Gas grenades, Percussion Grenades, Sonic Disruptor. He even took advantage of DD catching his Batarangs by drop kicking him.

I don't disagree with that. A prolonged battle with Batman is a bad idea for anyone, he's a sharp dude and ill find a way to win. Of course DD is too, and has had to use ingenuity to win lots of his fights too.


But yeah I think whoever wins it's a quick, dirty, brutal fight.

 

[Fadetoblack918]

I wanna say Batman, but i think it's even