BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

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By the way I actually really dug Cavill's performance in this movie and think he makes an ideal Superman. I thought the god among men philosophical and political stuff was definitely a good angle to explore when they didn't get into some of the more pretentious elements.

Again though it seemed like you could have done a whole movie fleshing out that storyline. Sandwiched in with the Batman stuff it just felt like stuff was compressed just to get to the Justice League as fast as we can.

Overall though I was highly entertained for the majority of the film.
 
just wanted to point out, again, that lex luthor sucked donkey dick.
 
Lex and doomsday where not needed they could have set up the justice league and had a batman vs superman fight climax without them.

I really dont understand the need for lex and doomsday. Should have really saved both of them for man of steel 2


Stupid WB
 
Poor Mercy Graves. I really liked her and the actress Tao Okamoto. What a waste. (I doubt she was a robot) Could have appeared in other DCEU movies where Lex is involved.
 
Oh yeah, did you guys know that the undercover CIA agent that was killed on the terrorist camp at the beginning was Jimmy Olsen. Lol.
 
Why did superman need to kill batman? Couldn't he just use his super hearing to find his mother?

Why did he need to follow batman to the basement? Couldn't he just use his xray vision to look through the floor?

Why didn't he just fly doomsday out of the earth's gravitational pull?

Why is he in love with a woman 10 years older than him when he could probably get any chick he wanted (including wonder woman).

Why did Lois get the bathing scene and not wonder woman?
 
TheRuthlessOne said:
I have a question

At the end of the movie luthor tells batman that the bell has rung the god is dead so now darkseid is coming

Why the fuck would lex luthor want darkseid to come to earth? What is his motovation behind this exactly?

Did he want darkseid to come and kill everyone?
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Lex Luthors motivations for anything in this movie are paper thin at best. Youre basically supposed to accept that Batman and Superman are fighting because Lex Luthor is Lex Luthor.
 
TheRuthlessOne said:
I have a question

At the end of the movie luthor tells batman that the bell has rung the god is dead so now darkseid is coming

Why the fuck would lex luthor want darkseid to come to earth? What is his motovation behind this exactly?

Did he want darkseid to come and kill everyone?
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Matt4786 said:
His plan made no fucking sense. He creates Doomsday despite having no way to actually control it. Had Doomsday won, it probably would've killed him and everyone else on the planet. And he also knows that crazy shit is coming from outer space and tries to kill maybe the one guy who can stop it. If I were an evil villain, I think it'd make much more sense to try to manipulate Supes into doing my bidding instead.
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Cut a deal with Darkseid maybe? "I'll take out Superman if you don't squash me like a bug when you get to Earth," type thing.

Maybe Darkseid gave him one of the famous Dana White undisclosed bonuses.
 
yeah it is kind of odd, but one could assume he communicated with Lex through the Kryptonian ship somehow?

either that or he's a prophet of some sorts, I liked Lex, bit of an oddball, very opposite of Clark and Bruce yet just as ballsy
 
I guess we are openly discussing now? Anyway, my take. I have a lot of the same complaints everyone else has. Cramming too much into the movie while still managing to leave out more important development. I hated the way they teased the rest of the JL team, specifically the last three. The two most bad-ass people on earth are about to throw down, but lets take a 5 minute break to look at some youtube videos. The story was all over the place. The only actor who didn't really deliver was Jessie. I was optimistic that he would handle the role well, but he was clearly miscast and really hurt the overall movie for me. I could over look the rest of the shortcomings but his performance was too off-base on what I feel, and probably many others, of what Lex Luthor should be. Batfleck was awesome. Best Batman to date. Although I don't know how I feel about his traditional "no kill" philosophy being thrown out the window, but Keaton Batman didn't seem to care about that either, so I give that a pass. Cavill was about the same, but there wasn't any disconnect from Superman and Clark Kent. I like how Reeves portrayed Kent and I feel that is the best way to do it to be convincing. Wonder Woman was a bad ass, but she really didn't get enough screen time to digest her acting in that role. Hopefully she can pull of the solo movie next year. Loved the smirk she gave Doomsday during the fight. That more than anything else is in the character of WW. Doomsday, well. I liked how he constantly evolved, but I don't like how they went about his creation. Should have been Bizaro, IMO. Glad they followed thru with the death of Superman, but I wish they would have held off on that until at least the first JL movie. And the unseen bad guy, Darkseid. It makes sense he's manipulating Lex to do his bidding, anyone not that familiar with the character in the comics, it came across very confusing. My wife and mother-in-law had no idea what was going on in the dream sequences or what they were to mean. They could have been more direct about what was going on, but not sure how they could have carried that out.

Overall, I liked the movie despite its flaws. 6/10 isn't really a good indication of how much I liked it. It had potential. It suffers from bad editing. And it turns out they really did show the whole movie in the trailers, which is disappointing.
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
Oh yeah, did you guys know that the undercover CIA agent that was killed on the terrorist camp at the beginning was Jimmy Olsen. Lol.
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Apparently there is a deleted scene where he says his name , I truly believe Snyder hates the Superman history and enjoyed killing him off
 
I heard somewhere that this movie's worldwide gross for opening weekend includes China, which isn't the case with most of the competing big earners, where they aired later in China. Is this true?
 
A few points I'd like to make about BvS.


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I think the problem with having a character like Superman in a movie like this is everyone wonders why he didn't do this, why he didn't do that, etc. You can basically go on forever with stuff like this, why didn't superman save everybody, reverse time, etc.

First of all his powers are very limited in comparision to the godlike versions of him we've seen in the comics. He's not omnipotent and doesn't know everything that is happening. Also you have to realize they need to move things forward, theres only so much time and they can't explain every minute detail as to why superman was here and not there, etc.

This is a Superman movie and the entire DCEU is based on Superman, no superman no DCEU. He's the catalyst for everything: Zod, other meta humans, Doomsday, Luthor getting Kryptonian tech and knowledge, Darkseid, etc. In Suicide Squad trailer Waller says "ever since superman appeared all the other freaks are starting to come out of the woodwork".

His death and sacrifice led to the formation of the JL, his arrival has got the population of the whole DC universe asking questions about whether he's good or bad, this is paralled in real life as movie audiences and fans even ask themselves if this Superman is a badguy or just a guy trying to do the right thing.

I feel for Superman in the DCEU, the guys going through a ton of shit, people trying to kill him, people blame him for the world turning to shit, he's never really been happy. It's made him more relevant to me, I'm rooting for him now.

A lot of newer comic fans prefer Batman, Wolverine and Deadpool, and other edgier characters, Superman is considered out dated, obsolete, boring. People have turned their backs on him and forgotten about him, theres undertones of this in the movie as well. Supermans character has hidden undertones and messages which pertain to: war on terrorism, politics, religion and the state of the modern comic book fan.

Last point I'll make is I think Batman is being misunderstood a bit in this movie, there were a few scenes where I thought he was using deadly force but if you observe carefully he's actually not killing most of his enemies, it's very clever one scene where it looks like he's shooting at people with guns but it's not what it appears to be. Even the times he shoots or stabs badguys it looks like he strikes non vital areas most of the time. Have to watch it again to be sure.

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MMAmathwiz said:
A few points I'd like to make about BvS.
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Batman straight up kills almost everyone he fights. he shoots thugs from his plane. he drags a car load of thugs behind him, making it flip and ram into anything and everything. he shoots people guns. the guy has thrown his core mantra out the window. This isn't the Nolanverse where it is plausible Bats doesn't directly kill anyone (despite in Batman Begins blowing up the League of Shadows home base, containing combatants and caged criminals).
 
Not to mention branding criminals so that they get murdered in jail.
 
Kiddo716 said:
Batman straight up kills almost everyone he fights. he shoots thugs from his plane. he drags a car load of thugs behind him, making it flip and ram into anything and everything. he shoots people guns. the guy has thrown his core mantra out the window. This isn't the Nolanverse where it is plausible Bats doesn't directly kill anyone (despite in Batman Begins blowing up the League of Shadows home base, containing combatants and caged criminals).
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For sure he's the most brutal Batman we've ever seen and in this movie he does indeed kill but I think not as much as people think.

He kills those guys with the Batwing but to be fair they were shooting at him with heavy artillery and he doesn't directly shoot them, he shoots the car in front of them and it explodes.

Also the one scene where it looks like he's shooting people top down with a gun in each hand, he's actually triggering the device he threw on their guns, look at the sparks on their guns, thats what knocks them back, he wasn't shooting those guys with bullets.

He uses guns, mostly taken from enemies but I don't remember him straight killiing a guy with them, looks like he's hitting non vitals. The guy he stabs he got him closer to the shoulder area, I think its implied he didn't kill that guy. Most of the guys in the warehouse scene didn't die, he took out almost all of them using non-lethal force.

A few probably got killed in the car chase scene sure but there was one time where it looks like he killed them by running over their truck but in the next scene it shows you they're alive. It also never directly shows that all those guys died but I'm sure that scene had a few deaths. Have to watch it again and pay close attention.
 
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