BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

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iThrillhouse said:
If I'm unsure about seeing a movie I read Heavyarms/Dragonlords reviews, get the consensus on the movie thread, and lastly I see what the RLM crew thought in their HiTb review.

Generally I find my tastes align with those 3....

I had reservations about this movie...I kind of want to see it more now because it sounds like a mess
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Overall it's a good movie. The main issue is it could have been so much more and trying to cram several big comic book stories into one.
 
Dizzy said:
I just don't see it being feasible. You need something out quickly to not get lost in the shuffle and capitalize on the movie's popularity. Even two weeks down the road from a major release is too late. And I definitely wouldn't say lazy, they work on a ton of shit all the time. Half in the Bag, Best of the Worst, their own movie productions, etc.

They'd have to write the script, record it, edit it, then publish it, all within a week. You won't touch the quality of the Plinkett videos going about it that way. There were no time constraints because the movies had been out for a while at that point. It was something that they were able to sit down and work on which is what made them so great.

I like what Half in the Bag brings to the table. They're informative, funny, don't take themselves too seriously, and it's all out in time to still be relevant.
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I don't think they need to capitalize on hitting the movies release. And their Star Wars reviews prove that. So long as they stick to reviewing movies with a huge following...they would be fine enough.
 
BVS took in 15 million domestic on monday

Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice has claimed a top spot at the box office: the biggest Monday in March.

The DC Comics/Warner Brothers film hauled in $15 million to start the week, topping other big openings of Furious 7 and The Hunger Games by $1 million and $5 million respectively.

In comparison to other big comic book movies, Batman v. Superman's $15 million Monday topped both Iron Man 3 and Avengers: Age of Ultron, two summer releases, by $4 million and $2 million respectively.
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http://comicbook.com/2016/03/29/batman-v-superman-earns-largest-monday-march-box-office/
 
taurus said:
Agreed with Dragon on the mark: 6/10.

I expected to be dissapointed, but had a bit of enjoyment out of the movie. But the more i think about the movie, the less i think of it.

Right off the bat, another origin story. Because that was necessary in a BvS movie, that has a story about Batman, Superman, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, cameos from other Justice league members, Doomsday, Darkseid introduction, love story, (some) time travelling induced nightmares, and multiple others. I found this to be one of my biggest problems with the movie, because it oh so perfectly displays someones inability to make priorities. It is the "can't see the forest for the trees" thing.

Ultimately, studios / directors /screenwriters choice of making cuts at random places ruin a movie and leave a more-than-casual fan (myself) scratching his head. It's the Thor scene from Age of Ultron over again. Half of the movie i'm thinking "Wait, where did this come from?". The imaginary dad conversation was the icing on the cake. Cut out 18 months but leave imaginary dad in. I presume it was made due to the necessity of giving Superman some depth (not the way to do it, IMO). Or Kevin Costner being promised to appear in several movies.

As others, i think certain problems with pacing could've been avoided if so many stuff was not shoehorned in the movie. Then you could've avoided giving a deleted scene on youtube (a mere week after the premiere) to explain what should've been explained in the actual movie (Lex and Darkseid thing and Lex going mad). Certain stuff not being explained and then having the characters do a forced exposition was apparent (such as army men explaining that Doomsday adapts and absorbs energy seconds after he survived the nuke).

I have to admit i did not realize this directors grand plan of presenting knightmares (holy crap Batman, this is so pretentious, do we have to have a ridiculous batman name for every single word in english language) as a way of explaining this separate timeline (Batman was supposedly in) collapsing in on him. I consider myself a bit more knowledgeable on the topic than the regular guy, but not a DC wikipedia type of guy. And i was completely dumbfounded by this.

I think i noticed a single joke in the movie. One. At least have Superman/WW pretend to be hurt after Batman punches them. Come to think of it, Batmobile being thrown off by light Superman tap with (his legs, if i recall) was the funnies part of the movie.

The fight was good. More than i imagined. As Dragon says, if you shut down a part of your brain and pretend it wouldn't be over just as the gif below (from Man of Steel) shows.

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What i found very interesting is that i don't seem to remember some epic memorable or quotable moments. Would it kill them to put a scene like this?


I'm kind of torn on what i think about Lex. I hate the casting choice. Cranston would be ideal for my vision of Lex. But i get that they would go for Eisenberg for their vision of Lex (which i also hate).

Overall, i'm glad i saw it for the story. If i watch it again, i'll watch only the fight scenes.

Random thoughts:

The dark knight returns nods were good. Especially when Batman is fleeing from Doomsday.

Doomsday coming felt like Uruk Hai being "born". Until he becomes UberDoomsday.

Lex has a file on every superhero (I still don't understand how), and then resorts to kidnapping and threatening to kill an old woman.

People realizing it was the wheelchair guy with the bomb, and not Superman (which was my initial impression people would think, because, hey, Superman is brought in for questioning, he flips and kills everyone)? Could've fooled me.

What the hell was the deal with the skinny asian chick was with Luthor? The movie led me to believe she was of some importance, but then she just dies on the Capitol and is like "screw you Lex".



I think they went too far. And not because i didn't get it. It's because it seems (after connecting all the dots and seeing all the easter eggs and watching the deleted scene and whatnot) they tried to connect the things they are to show in Justice League 2 with this movie. Flash is not yet introduced, and you're already presenting alternate timelines? That's getting ahead of yourself. It's this artistic thing where they fail to do something and do a copout saying "you just don't get it". IMO, they failed. Show it in the movie. Don't make me watch the deleted scene right after watching the movie. I can understand them not wanting to take it easy (as Marvel did). But this felt forced.
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yeah i agree with the sentiments, i think this movie would do okay in eastern countries where they don't mind this kind of pacing and indirect ambiguous understanding.
 
Two things: I would not be surprised to see them bring in an older guy as Lex Luthor, as they never said Alexader's dad was dead. Just alluded to it. Which could mean anything in the comic verse.

The ending still pisses me off at how stupid it is.
 
Just left the theatre.. If your a fan you'll love the movie fuck what people are complaining about I love the direction they're taking this and the fight scenes were A1
 
FinalFight said:
The whole idea of Superman vs Batman is silly to me. Superman is an alien with "super" powers. He can fly and burn metal with lasers from his eyes ffs. He'd smash the shit out of Batman lol
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It's pretty silly to everyone that isnt a Batman fan or wanna-be fan. They just say "prep time", which essentially means Batman can win if he has all the time and resources to prepare while the other guy doesn't and in addition to that Batman gets to surprise him with the first attack.

You can literally google Batman vs Galactus" and people will talk about how Batman would win. Its just fanboyism.
 
Update: March 29, 2016

Kevin Smith Says BATMAN V SUPERMAN Didn't Have a Heart

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Kevin Smith doesn't typically hold back when it comes to superhero films, and many might agree with his analysis on Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.

On his latest Hollywood Babble-On podcast with Ralph Garman, Smith brought up the film's heart or lack of one.

"Remember before when we were talking about Flash, and that it has heart, humor, and spectacle," Smith said. "The movie I felt like didn't really have a heart. It was certainly fucking humorless, there was nothing funny going on in that world whatsoever, but it had lots of spectacle. Like you can't take that away from Snyder. Boy, he knows how to like compose a frame and how to setup a shot. Beautiful visual stylist but you need more than just the pictures, you need like characterization and these characters seemed off character, particularly Superman."

Kevin Smith Says Batman V Superman Didn't Really Have A Heart
 
Bob Gray said:
It's pretty silly to everyone that isnt a Batman fan or wanna-be fan. They just say "prep time", which essentially means Batman can win if he has all the time and resources to prepare while the other guy doesn't and in addition to that Batman gets to surprise him with the first attack.

You can literally google Batman vs Galactus" and people will talk about how Batman would win. Its just fanboyism.
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senri said:
yeah i agree with the sentiments, i think this movie would do okay in eastern countries where they don't mind this kind of pacing and indirect ambiguous understanding.
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Hey, (being from Croatia) i resent that! Mostly because it's true but still, cheap shot, dude...
 
Bob Gray said:
It's pretty silly to everyone that isnt a Batman fan or wanna-be fan. They just say "prep time", which essentially means Batman can win if he has all the time and resources to prepare while the other guy doesn't and in addition to that Batman gets to surprise him with the first attack.

You can literally google Batman vs Galactus" and people will talk about how Batman would win. Its just fanboyism.
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Pretty much. Batman fans got there "see, see I told you he could win!" moment. It only took:


1. Superman taking it easy on him, and explicitly stating he did not want to hurt him and only wanted to talk

2. Bats setting up an elaborate series of traps

3. Bats having access to kryptonite, which this version of Superman didn't even know about.


Every fight involves Batman having all sorts of advantages while fighting a foe that doesn't really want to hurt him. It's pretty silly.
 
Prep time is pretty much his super power and it keeps him on par with the other members of the justice league

People use it as a joke more often than not. Prep time does have its limits
 
This is a different kevin smith review then the one Dragonlord posted

This is an hour long and he goes into more detail

spoilers on the video

 
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