BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

[Substance Abuse]

doomsday was fuckin deadly in this movie.

And he still looked like a retarded orc extra from the Lord of the Rings.

 

[Mike]

I think it will struggle to get to 350 Million , surprised by the drop off from Friday to Sat

I'm not. It's really not very good, but it was a lock to do well opening weekend before word started to spread.

 

[taurus]

Agreed with Dragon on the mark: 6/10.

I expected to be dissapointed, but had a bit of enjoyment out of the movie. But the more i think about the movie, the less i think of it.

Right off the bat, another origin story. Because that was necessary in a BvS movie, that has a story about Batman, Superman, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, cameos from other Justice league members, Doomsday, Darkseid introduction, love story, (some) time travelling induced nightmares, and multiple others. I found this to be one of my biggest problems with the movie, because it oh so perfectly displays someones inability to make priorities. It is the "can't see the forest for the trees" thing.

Ultimately, studios / directors /screenwriters choice of making cuts at random places ruin a movie and leave a more-than-casual fan (myself) scratching his head. It's the Thor scene from Age of Ultron over again. Half of the movie i'm thinking "Wait, where did this come from?". The imaginary dad conversation was the icing on the cake. Cut out 18 months but leave imaginary dad in. I presume it was made due to the necessity of giving Superman some depth (not the way to do it, IMO). Or Kevin Costner being promised to appear in several movies.

As others, i think certain problems with pacing could've been avoided if so many stuff was not shoehorned in the movie. Then you could've avoided giving a deleted scene on youtube (a mere week after the premiere) to explain what should've been explained in the actual movie (Lex and Darkseid thing and Lex going mad). Certain stuff not being explained and then having the characters do a forced exposition was apparent (such as army men explaining that Doomsday adapts and absorbs energy seconds after he survived the nuke).

I have to admit i did not realize this directors grand plan of presenting knightmares (holy crap Batman, this is so pretentious, do we have to have a ridiculous batman name for every single word in english language) as a way of explaining this separate timeline (Batman was supposedly in) collapsing in on him. I consider myself a bit more knowledgeable on the topic than the regular guy, but not a DC wikipedia type of guy. And i was completely dumbfounded by this.

I think i noticed a single joke in the movie. One. At least have Superman/WW pretend to be hurt after Batman punches them. Come to think of it, Batmobile being thrown off by light Superman tap with (his legs, if i recall) was the funnies part of the movie.

The fight was good. More than i imagined. As Dragon says, if you shut down a part of your brain and pretend it wouldn't be over just as the gif below (from Man of Steel) shows.

What i found very interesting is that i don't seem to remember some epic memorable or quotable moments. Would it kill them to put a scene like this?


I'm kind of torn on what i think about Lex. I hate the casting choice. Cranston would be ideal for my vision of Lex. But i get that they would go for Eisenberg for their vision of Lex (which i also hate).

Overall, i'm glad i saw it for the story. If i watch it again, i'll watch only the fight scenes.

Random thoughts:

The dark knight returns nods were good. Especially when Batman is fleeing from Doomsday.

Doomsday coming felt like Uruk Hai being "born". Until he becomes UberDoomsday.

Lex has a file on every superhero (I still don't understand how), and then resorts to kidnapping and threatening to kill an old woman.

People realizing it was the wheelchair guy with the bomb, and not Superman (which was my initial impression people would think, because, hey, Superman is brought in for questioning, he flips and kills everyone)? Could've fooled me.

What the hell was the deal with the skinny asian chick was with Luthor? The movie led me to believe she was of some importance, but then she just dies on the Capitol and is like "screw you Lex".

dream sequence in the desert where you saw that big symbol was the omega sign, the flying demons were from darkseids planet apokolips, he essentially made his way to earth and wrecked havoc, it's a different timelilne of what would be if flash didn't intervene the timeline to warn bruce. Unfortunately this movie has some deep storyline that normal viewers wouldn't get, they needed to do research.

I think they went too far. And not because i didn't get it. It's because it seems (after connecting all the dots and seeing all the easter eggs and watching the deleted scene and whatnot) they tried to connect the things they are to show in Justice League 2 with this movie. Flash is not yet introduced, and you're already presenting alternate timelines? That's getting ahead of yourself. It's this artistic thing where they fail to do something and do a copout saying "you just don't get it". IMO, they failed. Show it in the movie. Don't make me watch the deleted scene right after watching the movie. I can understand them not wanting to take it easy (as Marvel did). But this felt forced.

 

[brokenjaw]

You know the more I think about it the more I'm afraid of what glorious mess the JL movie will be. Snyder tries to make his DCverse movies deep and intelligent but he ends with a hot mess that's all over the place. BvS is Tom and Jerry tier compared to some of the DC storylines. Seeing how everything is pointing towards Darkseid...welly holy shit. Darkseid has complicated and very detailed lore. The more you delve into his mythos the deeper it goes. And the way Snyder picks and chooses things to use in his movies, I strongly believe that he just isn't capable of creating a coherent story.

 

[mixmastermo]

Agreed with Dragon on the mark: 6/10.

I expected to be dissapointed, but had a bit of enjoyment out of the movie. But the more i think about the movie, the less i think of it.

Right off the bat, another origin story. Because that was necessary in a BvS movie, that has a story about Batman, Superman, Lex Luthor, Wonder Woman, cameos from other Justice league members, Doomsday, Darkseid introduction, love story, (some) time travelling induced nightmares, and multiple others. I found this to be one of my biggest problems with the movie, because it oh so perfectly displays someones inability to make priorities. It is the "can't see the forest for the trees" thing.

Ultimately, studios / directors /screenwriters choice of making cuts at random places ruin a movie and leave a more-than-casual fan (myself) scratching his head. It's the Thor scene from Age of Ultron over again. Half of the movie i'm thinking "Wait, where did this come from?". The imaginary dad conversation was the icing on the cake. Cut out 18 months but leave imaginary dad in. I presume it was made due to the necessity of giving Superman some depth (not the way to do it, IMO). Or Kevin Costner being promised to appear in several movies.

As others, i think certain problems with pacing could've been avoided if so many stuff was not shoehorned in the movie. Then you could've avoided giving a deleted scene on youtube (a mere week after the premiere) to explain what should've been explained in the actual movie (Lex and Darkseid thing and Lex going mad). Certain stuff not being explained and then having the characters do a forced exposition was apparent (such as army men explaining that Doomsday adapts and absorbs energy seconds after he survived the nuke).

I have to admit i did not realize this directors grand plan of presenting knightmares (holy crap Batman, this is so pretentious, do we have to have a ridiculous batman name for every single word in english language) as a way of explaining this separate timeline (Batman was supposedly in) collapsing in on him. I consider myself a bit more knowledgeable on the topic than the regular guy, but not a DC wikipedia type of guy. And i was completely dumbfounded by this.

I think i noticed a single joke in the movie. One. At least have Superman/WW pretend to be hurt after Batman punches them. Come to think of it, Batmobile being thrown off by light Superman tap with (his legs, if i recall) was the funnies part of the movie.

The fight was good. More than i imagined. As Dragon says, if you shut down a part of your brain and pretend it wouldn't be over just as the gif below (from Man of Steel) shows.

What i found very interesting is that i don't seem to remember some epic memorable or quotable moments. Would it kill them to put a scene like this?


I'm kind of torn on what i think about Lex. I hate the casting choice. Cranston would be ideal for my vision of Lex. But i get that they would go for Eisenberg for their vision of Lex (which i also hate).

Overall, i'm glad i saw it for the story. If i watch it again, i'll watch only the fight scenes.

Random thoughts:

The dark knight returns nods were good. Especially when Batman is fleeing from Doomsday.

Doomsday coming felt like Uruk Hai being "born". Until he becomes UberDoomsday.

Lex has a file on every superhero (I still don't understand how), and then resorts to kidnapping and threatening to kill an old woman.

People realizing it was the wheelchair guy with the bomb, and not Superman (which was my initial impression people would think, because, hey, Superman is brought in for questioning, he flips and kills everyone)? Could've fooled me.

What the hell was the deal with the skinny asian chick was with Luthor? The movie led me to believe she was of some importance, but then she just dies on the Capitol and is like "screw you Lex".



I think they went too far. And not because i didn't get it. It's because it seems (after connecting all the dots and seeing all the easter eggs and watching the deleted scene and whatnot) they tried to connect the things they are to show in Justice League 2 with this movie. Flash is not yet introduced, and you're already presenting alternate timelines? That's getting ahead of yourself. It's this artistic thing where they fail to do something and do a copout saying "you just don't get it". IMO, they failed. Show it in the movie. Don't make me watch the deleted scene right after watching the movie. I can understand them not wanting to take it easy (as Marvel did). But this felt forced.

Agree with everything here. I've even said some of these things in my posts. Only difference is the score, I gave it a 4. I liked the action, but that alone did not raise the score above average for me.

The more I think about it, the more I realize they tried really hard to pack in as many nods to some of the popular stories all in one movie. (Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman, Injustice, Flashpoint, etc.) They were definitely getting ahead of themselves. We haven't even had one movie where the JL teams up to kick some ass and they're already trying to tease alternate timelines where things went terribly wrong and their big hero has become evil? There's close to 80 years worth of stories in the DC Universe and they want to cram in some references just because- when they should have just been trying to make an entertaining movie.

 

[taurus]

Attaching this spoiler-heavy review for the lol's:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/25/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice

Spoiler

".....You see, Batman only approves of the destruction of private property when he’s the one doing the destroying. Later in the film, Batman tears through the city in his own personal tank, blows up some cars, shoots up a building with his Batwing, kills numerous anonymous henchmen, and lures a dangerous mutant back to a populated area without a coherent plan to defeat it.

........

Bruce Wayne opens up Lex Luthor’s computer files and discovers a photo of Wonder Woman from the first world war, plus some trailers for other Warner Bros movies. Luthor even designed logos for all of these movies in Adobe Illustrator. Why does Lex Luthor have four blatant bits of product placement on his computer? Because he’s been maintaining a secret double life as a film publicist. You thought running a multinational corporation while trying to murder an indestructible flying alien was hard? Try selling the Aquaman movie.

.........

Dejected, Superman flies off to Buffalo, New York, or some other desolate, snow-covered landscape. There, we are treated to yet another dream sequence. This time, Clark Kent imagines seeing his father throwing bricks on to a pile of other bricks while telling a story about inadvertently ruining the lives of his neighbors during a flood. At this point, you may have asked yourself why Superman flew out to this barren wasteland. You may have also asked what that pile of rocks was? Maybe you thought it was the place where Clark Kent’s dad is buried, but I’m fairly certain it’s been established that he was buried on the Kent farm. So why the hell is Superman having visions of his dead dad in the middle of nowhere? As with everything, there is a simple answer. Nothing reminds me more of Kevin Costner’s acting than a pile of rocks, bricks and twigs in the snow.

..........

It’s as brutal and ruthless as it is boring, with the fisticuffs coming to an abrupt end when Batman realizes that his mom and Superman’s mom have the same first name. If only Biggie and Tupac’s moms had the same first name. They might still be here today."

The writer dude deserves a Pulitzer.

Agreed.

"Bruce Wayne opens up Lex Luthor’s computer files and discovers a photo of Wonder Woman from the first world war, plus some trailers for other Warner Bros movies. "

Pure gold.

 

[RoninJin]

Doomsday was not weak in this movie whatsoever, honestly he looked kinda goofy buy he is a scary mofo in this movie, the guy laughs off a nuke, it took 3 justice leage members, Batmans kryptonite gas and Superman with a kryptonite spear just to kill him. Also Diana is ridiculously strong and invulnerable both in comics and this film, but she really couldn't do shit to DD, she cuts off his arm and it makes him better, one on one the battle will go for hours but DD probably takes it.

Doomsday in the comic is much much more deadlier. Where it took three people to hold it down here, it has taken a Justice League and more to combat him and failed

 

[ufcfan4]

I think it will struggle to get to 350 Million , surprised by the drop off from Friday to Sat

I think the international take should help it big time because I pretty much agree with that domestic gross.

 

[MarloStanfield]

Masterpiece!

 

[ArtOfDrowning]

Reading spoiler free reviews before going to cinema I thought this will be a disaster. Maybe because of it or maybe because I'm more of a DC fan....I actually like this movie A LOT!! Not the best movie or best comicbook based movie but it was great. Never a dull moment.

I liked both Batman and Superman. I like the way they showed Superman's struggle to actually find his place in this world. This is a new side of Superman, makes him more....human? I was worried how they will include Wonder Woman into all this but it kinda worked out, she didn't have a lot of screen time and I think that helped. Batman was great, Affleck did I decent job at portaing older and pissed off Batman. Lex was a bit over the top, kinda like a wanna be Joker, but still he was ok too. Love that dream scene from the future. Flash cameo too.

Anyway great movie, will watch it again when they put good torrent online. Also cinema was full which is really weird since in my country people don't go to cinema that much, especially for movies like this.

 

[wellz6]

I haven't seen it yet but I've heard from a friend who has seen it that Doomsday evolves throughout the fight and ends up looking close to the way he looks in comics. So I'm wondering why people are saying he doesn't look good?

 

[Kiddo716]

I haven't seen in yet but I've heard from a friend who has seen it that Doomsday evolves throughout the fight and ends up looking close to the way he looks in comics. So I'm wondering why people are saying he doesn't look good?

each evolution he makes he gets closer to the comics, however, it's not close enough. Not enough protruding bones.

 

[Killswitch91]

I haven't seen it yet but I've heard from a friend who has seen it that Doomsday evolves throughout the fight and ends up looking close to the way he looks in comics. So I'm wondering why people are saying he doesn't look good?

That's 100% correct, I thought he looked fine when the bones started protruding.

 

[streets ahead]

Has the largest Friday to Sunday drop of any superhero movie in the states.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain...-sunday-drop-for-superhero-pics/#2e6463a36d72

Wow look at those Deapool numbers. The Fox executives must have been doing cartwheels down the hallway.

 

[MMouse]

Question...

So when wonder woman takes bats usb from the gala (cause it contained her photo) then gives it back, didnt she pretty much just gave away her identity to him lol?

Also, lol at that review. "why does lex have 4 trailers for warner bros. upcoming movies"

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

What i found very interesting is that i don't seem to remember some epic memorable or quotable moments. Would it kill them to put a scene like this?

If it hadn't been spoiled in all the trailers we'd still be eating up the "do you bleed?" line. Even after being pretty much the tagline for the movie my theatre still had an "ohhhh shit" feeling when he said that. The quotes from Batman during the fight sounded like they were pretty good about being a man, fear, only men can be brave, but I honestly couldn't make them all out.

What the hell was the deal with the skinny asian chick was with Luthor? The movie led me to believe she was of some importance, but then she just dies on the Capitol and is like "screw you Lex".

I think that was to solidify Lex as a psychopath. She's clearly important to him and introduced as a memorable character then he makes sure that she is in the courtroom when he blows it up. So I took it as this woman dedicated her life to being as good of an assistant to him as possible, protected his interests, had a strong connection with him and he still killed her without a second thought.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Wow look at those Deapool numbers. The Fox executives must have been doing cartwheels down the hallway.

Deadpool is now officially the biggest grossing R Rated movie of all time.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Agreed.

"Bruce Wayne opens up Lex Luthor’s computer files and discovers a photo of Wonder Woman from the first world war, plus some trailers for other Warner Bros movies. "

Pure gold.

 

[brokenjaw]

Cranston was the original pick for Luthor, Eisenberg was originally Jimmy Olsen

Comicbooknews reports: "Bryan Cranston was originally casted as Lex Luthor for Batman Vs. Superman

Sources say this was going to go down following the series finale of Breaking Bad.

However, the announcement never came.
Supposedly, Bryan Cranston considered it, but ended up turning down the role of Lex Luthor in the movie Eventually, Jesse Eisenberg (not Heisenberg) was cast in the role.

After his turning down of the role, the Batman Vs. Superman script was tweaked to accommodate a young Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, which original writer David Goyer script featured an older Lex.

While filling EW.com about Jimmy Olsen in Batman Vs. Superman, Snyder mentions that originally Jesse Eisenberg was going to play the role of Jimmy Olsen; the article mentions at that point WB was still interviewing actors for the Lex Luthor role noting most of them were older and imposing figures "such as Breaking Bad star Bryan Cranston." A little spin ensued as it's mentioned WB "decided to take a chance and experiment with a younger, weirder, and more frenetic Lex." Actually, what probably happened when Cranston changed his mind, they decided to go in a different direction with Lex. Chris Terrio was brought on board to rewrite David Goyer's Superman Man of Steel 2 script (with Cranston as Lex), and they came up with the "crazy" Lex idea.

Snyder said the following about Cranston: “We talked about the usual suspects that you would imagine; any actor who has been bald, probably,” Snyder says. “Bryan Cranston would have been great, right?

 

[erhnamdjinn]

If it hadn't been spoiled in all the trailers we'd still be eating up the "do you bleed?" line. Even after being pretty much the tagline for the movie my theatre still had an "ohhhh shit" feeling when he said that. The quotes from Batman during the fight sounded like they were pretty good about being a man, fear, only men can be brave, but I honestly couldn't make them all out.


I think that was to solidify Lex as a psychopath. She's clearly important to him and introduced as a memorable character then he makes sure that she is in the courtroom when he blows it up. So I took it as this woman dedicated her life to being as good of an assistant to him as possible, protected his interests, had a strong connection with him and he still killed her without a second thought.

I believe she is Marcy Grey or something who is a bodyguard/trusted person in the comics, weird they just snuffed her out just like that.