BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

If you have seen BATMAN V SUPERMAN, how would you rate it?


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Update: March 23, 2017

BATMAN V SUPERMAN Producer Brett Ratner Slams Rotten Tomatoes Over Film's Low Score


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Director and producing mogul Brett Ratner says film critic aggregation site Rotten Tomatoes is a destructive force in Hollywood.

Speaking at the Sun Valley Film Festival last weekend, the X-Men: The Last Stand director wanted to make it clear he has plenty respect for traditional film critics. But he says reducing hundreds of reviews culled from print and online sources into a popularized aggregate score has become a toxic and often inaccurate label.

“The worst thing that we have in today’s movie culture is Rotten Tomatoes,” said Ratner, whose company RatPac Entertainment co-financed Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice (among dozens of other Warner Bros. titles). “I think it’s the destruction of our business. I have such respect and admiration for film criticism. When I was growing up film criticism was a real art. And there was intellect that went into that. And you would read Pauline’s Kael’s reviews, or some others, and that doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s about a number. A compounded number of how many positives vs. negatives. Now it’s about, ‘What’s your Rotten Tomatoes score?’ And that’s sad, because the Rotten Tomatoes score was so low on Batman v Superman I think it put a cloud over a movie that was incredibly successful.”

Directed by Zack Snyder, Batman v Superman cost about $250 million to make and grossed nearly $900 million worldwide — despite being considered a disappointment (with a 27 percent score on Rotten Tomatoes).

“People don’t realize what goes into making a movie like that,” Ratner continued. “It’s mind-blowing. It’s just insane, it’s hurting the business, it’s getting people to not see a movie. In Middle America it’s, ‘Oh, it’s a low Rotten Tomatoes score so I’m not going to go see it because it must suck.’ But that number is an aggregate and one that nobody can figure out exactly what it means, and it’s not always correct. I’ve seen some great movies with really abysmal Rotten Tomatoes scores. What’s sad is film criticism has disappeared. It’s really sad.”

EW reached out to Rotten Tomatoes about Ratner’s thoughts, and Jeff Voris gave us a statement in reply — and it’s not as contrarian to the director’s stance as you might expect. “At Rotten Tomatoes, we completely agree that film criticism is valuable and important, and we’re making it easier than it has ever been for fans to access potentially hundreds of professional reviews for a given film or TV show in one place,” Voris wrote. “The Tomatometer score, which is the percentage of positive reviews published by professional critics, has become a useful decision-making tool for fans, but we believe it’s just a starting point for them to begin discussing, debating and sharing their own opinions.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/23/ratner-tomatoes-scores/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

No one give a f about Rotten tomatoes. But he kind of jumps into his own mouth a bit there. Saying "When I was growing up film criticism was a real art. And there was intellect that went into that." and "put a cloud over a movie that was incredibly successful". So which one is it? Which one do you, Brett Rattner, value more? Success of the movie (usually associated with money) or quality (usually associated with positive criticism)? And then he goes completely off the rails saying "People don’t realize what goes into making a movie like that".

It's the ultimate get out of jail free card, basically saying "we worked hard, regardless of the outcome, and someone else is to blame".
 
No one give a f about Rotten tomatoes. But he kind of jumps into his own mouth a bit there. Saying "When I was growing up film criticism was a real art. And there was intellect that went into that." and "put a cloud over a movie that was incredibly successful". So which one is it? Which one do you, Brett Rattner, value more? Success of the movie (usually associated with money) or quality (usually associated with positive criticism)? And then he goes completely off the rails saying "People don’t realize what goes into making a movie like that".

It's the ultimate get out of jail free card, basically saying "we worked hard, regardless of the outcome, and someone else is to blame".
Someone should tell him Trump is president and that Hillary lost.
 
LOL at blaming Rotton Tomatoes, it's not like people didn't watch it. They watched it and it was shit, nobody fucking cares how hard it was to make this garbage.

Pathetic excuse.
 
Update: March 23, 2017

BATMAN V SUPERMAN Producer Brett Ratner Slams Rotten Tomatoes Over Film's Low Score


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Director and producing mogul Brett Ratner says film critic aggregation site Rotten Tomatoes is a destructive force in Hollywood.

Speaking at the Sun Valley Film Festival last weekend, the X-Men: The Last Stand director wanted to make it clear he has plenty respect for traditional film critics. But he says reducing hundreds of reviews culled from print and online sources into a popularized aggregate score has become a toxic and often inaccurate label.

“The worst thing that we have in today’s movie culture is Rotten Tomatoes,” said Ratner, whose company RatPac Entertainment co-financed Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice (among dozens of other Warner Bros. titles). “I think it’s the destruction of our business. I have such respect and admiration for film criticism. When I was growing up film criticism was a real art. And there was intellect that went into that. And you would read Pauline’s Kael’s reviews, or some others, and that doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s about a number. A compounded number of how many positives vs. negatives. Now it’s about, ‘What’s your Rotten Tomatoes score?’ And that’s sad, because the Rotten Tomatoes score was so low on Batman v Superman I think it put a cloud over a movie that was incredibly successful.”

Directed by Zack Snyder, Batman v Superman cost about $250 million to make and grossed nearly $900 million worldwide — despite being considered a disappointment (with a 27 percent score on Rotten Tomatoes).

“People don’t realize what goes into making a movie like that,” Ratner continued. “It’s mind-blowing. It’s just insane, it’s hurting the business, it’s getting people to not see a movie. In Middle America it’s, ‘Oh, it’s a low Rotten Tomatoes score so I’m not going to go see it because it must suck.’ But that number is an aggregate and one that nobody can figure out exactly what it means, and it’s not always correct. I’ve seen some great movies with really abysmal Rotten Tomatoes scores. What’s sad is film criticism has disappeared. It’s really sad.”

EW reached out to Rotten Tomatoes about Ratner’s thoughts, and Jeff Voris gave us a statement in reply — and it’s not as contrarian to the director’s stance as you might expect. “At Rotten Tomatoes, we completely agree that film criticism is valuable and important, and we’re making it easier than it has ever been for fans to access potentially hundreds of professional reviews for a given film or TV show in one place,” Voris wrote. “The Tomatometer score, which is the percentage of positive reviews published by professional critics, has become a useful decision-making tool for fans, but we believe it’s just a starting point for them to begin discussing, debating and sharing their own opinions.”

http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/23/ratner-tomatoes-scores/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

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I loved First Class and thought BvS was enjoyable in spite of it's flaws. But Ratner needs to take a deep breath and unbunch his panties.:rolleyes:
 
LOL at blaming Rotton Tomatoes, it's not like people didn't watch it. They watched it and it was shit, nobody fucking cares how hard it was to make this garbage.

Pathetic excuse.

True story. Also the huge amount of shitty reviews aren't from "marvel shills". Most people wanted the first ever meeting of two iconic characters to be good.
 
I loved First Class and thought BvS was enjoyable in spite of it's flaws. But Ratner needs to take a deep breath and unbunch his panties.:rolleyes:
Vaughn did First Class, not Ratner. The Rat did the 3rd X-Man movie.
 
I saw the score, still saw it hoping the iconic matchup would carry it, and could not have been more disappointed.

It was a terrible film, period. And RT clearly didn't ruin it financially so the concensus that it sucked is from people who actually saw it.

He's bitter his movie didn't crack a billion and he wants to blame anything but a movie that featured "wait... your moms name is whaaaat?! OMG lets be best friends." and "now, to hack into these secret files that have character logos as icons...."
 
I think the main problem with RT is that people see it as a score (90% equals an A by critics) instead of a survey where you see what percentage of people might like a movie. I personally think 27% of critics enjoying BvS is extremely high because that movie was a train wreck, but that's my opinion (along with the other 73% of critics).

But yeah, fuck Ratner when it comes to anything unless he's making another Rush Hour.
Yeah, if they displayed the "score" as a segment of a pie chart instead of a number grade (or worse, a binary "pass/fail") it might be a more accurate indicator.

I have to laugh at Ratner bemoaning the death of critics, though. There are plenty of critics, bud. Who do you think RT is aggregating to pan your shitty films?
 
BvS wasn't perfect but it gets shit on more than its fair share.

There are shittier Marvel films that somehow dont get the same flack (Antman, Iron man 2 and 3, Thor 2). Its pretty ridiculous.

Not to mention BvS gave us the best live action Batman till date, period. The movie can be anywhere between 6 - 8 rating, depending on personal preference, but anything below that is just biased.
 
I am actually wondering in a world void of the MCU, BvS might actually be a really good film.





Nah, that movie fucking sucked. Battfleck was rad though.
 
got any more of them character posters/vids? I've seen Batman, Aquaman, and Flash so far.
 
I don't know what he's complaining about. The movie was terrible and it still made a boatload of money. So what's his gripe with RT?
 
I've never watched or didn't watch a movie based on Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb.

Yeah you all say that now. But whenever a big movie comes out, i read all these post about how low or high it got on rotten tomatoes.

And theres alot of those posts.

<codychoke>
 
I don't know what he's complaining about. The movie was terrible and it still made a boatload of money. So what's his gripe with RT?

Its a shit site that nerds use. So if that shit site did not shit on the movie, more nerds would have seen the movie. And so would the movie have made even more boatloads of money.

Its that simple.
 
Its a shit site that nerds use. So if that shit site did not shit on the movie, more nerds would have seen the movie. And so would the movie have made even more boatloads of money.

Its that simple.

Well fuck him and his stupid movie. The movie deserved to be a John Carter flop.
 
I actually always consult rottentomatoes.com for just about anything movie related. I find it relaible 95% of the time- some standouts are movies like Iron Man 3, one giant turd that got a certified fresh rating.

Come at me, bromos.
 
I actually always consult rottentomatoes.com for just about anything movie related. I find it relaible 95% of the time- some standouts are movies like Iron Man 3, one giant turd that got a certified fresh rating.

Come at me, bromos.

The fact that IM 3 grossed $1.2B still blows my mind.
 
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