BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

[revoltub]

There is nothing deep about this movie to the point people couldn't understand it.

And that's beside the point anyway. The "themes" are inconsequential when you have a film with so many basic flaws such as a totally miscast eisenberg, overstuffed plot elements, cringe dialogue and a dumb and unearned final act and villain.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

@BisexualMMA There you have it. We just didn't understand the movie and should have paid more attention.

No one has a mum called Martha though I guess.

 

[milliniar]

No, Zack, we understood the movie just fine. The reason we didn't like it was because it's simply not a good film. You had access to three of the most iconic IP's in comic history, and you wasted them. You took the all time classic, Dark Knight Returns, mashed it together with Death of Superman and threw Wonder Woman into the mix. You made Doomsday look like a cross between an Orc and a fucking Ninja Turtle. And you casted the worst version of Lex Luthor in the history of movie or TV show adaptions.

You even managed to screw up the geography; in your version, Metropolis and Gotham are close enough for the Bat Signal to be visible from both cities. It's always been cannon they were on opposite sides of the country.

Worst of all is your version of Superman as emotionally crippled by self-doubt, to the point where he doesn't even want to be a hero anymore. This ignores a core trait of the character: he's the optimist that sees the best in human potential. He's friendly and humble, a genuinely nice guy. Which makes him a perfect foil for the brooding, cynical Batman, who always expects the worst. Having Superman and Batman exhibit the same personality traits ruins the dynamic that makes it so special when they team up.

I will give credit where it's due: Affleck was a very good Batman. His brutal fighting style along with Affleck's sheer size, made him the most physically imposing Batman we've yet seen. Gadot was fine as well, for the little time she had in the movie. But that's not enough to save the film. Not when you inflicted this abomination on us,

"Martha...you're killing Martha!"

"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?"

TL/DR: don't try to, "deconstruct" characters that were beloved by millions before you were even born. Just make a good movie. The fans' opinion, not yours, is the only one that counts.

Gotham and metropolis distance has varied over the years with it being sometimes as close in the movie, metropolis being NYC and Gotham being jersey city. Most portrayals are still fairly close, at least across a bay that they are not in line of site. Still close enough that Superman could do more to help when he is not fighting a world ending threat, or off planet.

 

[chrisdiaz]

The guy should just shut up at this point. I really liked the tone of this movie and it had a lot of good visuals. It also was hurt by the theater version that made little sense. That said it is a very flawed movie that I still enjoyed. The trilogy of MOS, BvS Extended and ZSJL make for a decent viewing and Im glad they were made. I dont think it should continue past that unless its a Ben Affleck Batman movie. Looking forward to him in Flash.

 

[HereticBD]

Update: May 10, 2023

Zack Snyder Explains BATMAN V SUPERMAN's Poor Reception is Due to Audiences Not Understanding His Movie

Director Zack Snyder recently shared that he believes audiences didn't understand what he was trying to accomplish with his DC Extended Universe movies.

Snyder directed three superhero films for Warner Bros. and DC -- Man of Steel (2013), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) and Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021). Per The Direct, the director explained during a Q&A at his Full Circle charity event on VERO True Social why he believes most of the negative reviews for Batman v Superman were a result of audiences not picking up on his multi-layered approach to storytelling.

"I think, and maybe I’m wrong. but I feel like a lot of people went into the movies for going like, 'Oh, it’s the superhero romp, right? Let’s have fun with it,'" Snyder said. "And we gave them this sort of hardcore deconstructivist, heavily layered, experiential modern mythological superhero movie that needs…that you really need to pay attention to." He continued, "That was not cool [for them]. That’s not something anyone wanted to do. They were like, 'What? No! That’s exhausting. How about, why do they fight at night?' I hate that."

https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-audiences-dont-understand-dc-movies/

Zack Snyder Reveals He Originally Planned to Make the Amazons To Be Descendants of Kryptonians

Following the screening of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, one fan brought up the long-standing rumor regarding an open Pod Bay in the scout ship that brought baby Kal-El to Earth. Some say that it might have belonged to Kara Zor-El, aka Clark’s cousin. Snyder, however, wanted to connect that backstory to the gods.

While doling out details about the Scout ship, and that open pod, Snyder and his visual effects artist D.J. DesJardin confirmed that they wanted to eventually reveal that the Kryptonian ship would trace back to the gods… and that Ares and Zeus would have come from a Kryptonian lineage. As Snyder explained:

"It’s this whole thing with, like, the gods and Ares and Zeus, and whether or not Zeus was really possibly a Kryptonian. So that Wonder Woman’s powers… anyway, you can sort of see where that’s going. Because, you know, the whole thing of like whether or not magic and the gods – there is a version where, like, ‘OK, that’s cool. I guess?’ But there’s also the more scientific… you have a mythology built up of, ‘Where do gods come from? What is that about?’ And so anyways, we had played around with that quite a bit."

The duo also hinted that Ares, the God of War who became a major antagonist in the first Wonder Woman movie, was the one that caused Kal-El’s scout ship to crash on Earth in the first place.

https://www.cinemablend.com/intervi...ouldnt-use-because-it-broke-the-studios-minds

Oh', that's a shame. I didn't think Snyder was one of those "the subtle genius and rich depth of my motion picture, was impenetrable to the plebs, which is why it's brilliance, and in turn, my brilliance, went unnoticed" types.

Yeah, that must've been it. The movie was just too smart for us.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Gotham and metropolis distance has varied over the years with it being sometimes as close in the movie, metropolis being NYC and Gotham being jersey city. Most portrayals are still fairly close, at least across a bay that they are not in line of site. Still close enough that Superman could do more to help when he is not fighting a world ending threat, or off planet.

I was also going to point this out. Them being sister cities is not something that Snyder just pulled out of his ass (though there was plenty of that to go around).

Spoiler

 

[KnightTemplar]

I was also going to point this out. Them being sister cities is not something that Snyder just pulled out of his ass (though there was plenty of that to go around).

Spoiler

Fair enough. I'll retract that part of my post. I believe my other comments still stand, though.

 

[Morning Star]

It flopped because you casted Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther FFS. Also Doomsday was shoehorned into the movie. The movie just felt crammed, disjointed, and rushed.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Fair enough. I'll retract that part of my post. I believe my other comments still stand, though.

Yeah, I agreed with pretty much the whole post, it was just that one bit that stood out.

 

[aunshi189]

Just gonna vote ten on the poll to show how much smarter I am than all you dummies.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Fair enough. I'll retract that part of my post. I believe my other comments still stand, though.

They will stand and should be branded onto Snyder’s forehead