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BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

If you have seen BATMAN V SUPERMAN, how would you rate it?


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It was hard for me to focus while watching BvS.

Ben Afleck looks like a young Jeremy Irons. Much more so than looking like a young Jeffry Dean Morgan (who played Thomas Wayne).

For much of the movie, I couldn't stop thinking that Alfred is Bruce's biological dad and that is why he stays so long taking care of Bruce after the death of his parents.

Now, did Thomas Wayne know?
 
It was hard for me to focus while watching BvS.

Ben Afleck looks like a young Jeremy Irons. Much more so than looking like a young Jeffry Dean Morgan (who played Thomas Wayne).

For much of the movie, I couldn't stop thinking that Alfred is Bruce's biological dad and that is why he stays so long taking care of Bruce after the death of his parents.

Now, did Thomas Wayne know?

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It was hard for me to focus while watching BvS.

Ben Afleck looks like a young Jeremy Irons. Much more so than looking like a young Jeffry Dean Morgan (who played Thomas Wayne).

For much of the movie, I couldn't stop thinking that Alfred is Bruce's biological dad and that is why he stays so long taking care of Bruce after the death of his parents.

Now, did Thomas Wayne know?

"You butlerfucking slut."
 
I personally don't like Rotten Tomatoes. They seem to give most films a low rating. Film critics are too picky nowadays. They purposefully look for anything they can to complain about in a film.
 
It was hard for me to focus while watching BvS.

Ben Afleck looks like a young Jeremy Irons. Much more so than looking like a young Jeffry Dean Morgan (who played Thomas Wayne).

For much of the movie, I couldn't stop thinking that Alfred is Bruce's biological dad and that is why he stays so long taking care of Bruce after the death of his parents.

Now, did Thomas Wayne know?

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I personally don't like Rotten Tomatoes. They seem to give most films a low rating. Film critics are too picky nowadays. They purposefully look for anything they can to complain about in a film.
Expectations were really high for this film. Cinematic cut didn't help either.
 
Expectations were really high for this film. Cinematic cut didn't help either.

It started off on the wrong foot, and never recovered. People wanted a Superman sequel. They came at us with this obvious rush job to catch up to Marvel instead. Everyone saw right through it, and were understandably skeptical. Then the casting news came out, which people thought had to be a joke, since they were making some of the worst, most mind boggling casting decisions you could think of.

People checked out, long before the movie was released. It never really got over the hump of skepticism, and the movie was just about as bad as was expected. Not "misunderstood", not "underrated", bad. And now the trend continues with DC/WB. These flicks are an example of studio fuck uppery at it's worst.
 
It started off on the wrong foot, and never recovered. People wanted a Superman sequel. They came at us with this obvious rush job to catch up to Marvel instead. Everyone saw right through it, and were understandably skeptical. Then the casting news came out, which people thought had to be a joke, since they were making some of the worst, most mind boggling casting decisions you could think of.

People checked out, long before the movie was released. It never really got over the hump of skepticism, and the movie was just about as bad as was expected. Not "misunderstood", not "underrated", bad. And now the trend continues with DC/WB. These flicks are an example of studio fuck uppery at it's worst.
I'd argue it was slightly shoehorned from the onset. There have been worse movies that have been received better. The difference is expectation. The Batman and the Superman characters had a lot to do with that. There are never low expectations with franchise players like that.

What they made was a disjointed, confused film that tried to fit all these great elements into one jigsaw puzzle, but the pieces didn't fit. There were moments were you could see what it was trying to be/could have been... Small isolated scenes that didn't flow onto the next.

I am of the belief that the Director's cut version substantially improves the film. It bumps the film from a 5 to a 7.5 for me.
 
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Well fuck him and his stupid movie. The movie deserved to be a John Carter flop.
No film deserves that.

For me this is a two-pronged problem. Every film should make boatloads of money because that's what keeps the business going. I try not to specify which movie deserves money because I'm not paying for one particular movie. I'm paying to go to the movies. I realize each time it's a gamble whether I get a good return on my investment, but I believe in investing in the system because I want more chances. I like the experience, and it's being killed. And that kills me.

What also kills me is agreeing with Ratner, but I do. Film criticism used to delve into the tangible lushness of what films can do and should do. They inspired reactions from the filmmaking community and bolstered the artistic side of a mass produced product.

When criticism is reduced to a number, it ruins the state of filmmaking.

Movie studios in turn won't know what works. We get subjected to all the things we've been complaining about: too many reboots/rehashes, oversaturation of one genre, dependence on and therefore catering to foreign markets. Without us to tell them what works and what doesn't, and why, we're locked in a downward spiral where actual films are competing against WorldStar ratchet videos for viewership. People won't pay for shitty movies, but the Howbowdah Girl is signing endorsement deals. We don't take responsibility for our priorities, so shit gets pushed to the forefront.

I'm not saying that movie goers act according to a Rotten Tomato score, but movie investors do. It's really easy for them to look at a low score and say, "Newp, we're not paying for another one of those, whatever it was. I'm not even sure." They go by what we tell them; it's entirely symbiotic.
 
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Holy shit WTF?!

What the fuck is going on here?! This is NOT the way to make movies!

If you want a full-sized wizard sitting at the same table with grown men playing dwarves, you have to make it happen somehow.
 
If you want a full-sized wizard sitting at the same table with grown men playing dwarves, you have to make it happen somehow.

It just looks so fucking retarded to me. I'd personally have no interest in making films in that manner.

It's like this shit here, from the second 300 film. Shit just makes me go, "Ugh! No!"


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Did you ever see The Last Legion? It's just a "pretty good" movie--better than it gets credit for, but not an excellent film--but I really appreciated the way that, from everything I can tell, it was shot as practically as possible. If I were going to make an adventure film, that's how I'd want to do it.


 
It just looks so fucking retarded to me. I'd personally have no interest in making films in that manner.

It's like this shit here, from the second 300 film. Shit just makes me go, "Ugh! No!"


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I don't remember that shot or scene from 300 #2. I don't remember a single thing about that movie, really, so I don't know what the final product from this setup was.

The setup for the Hobbit shot has a purpose that I can respect though. I guess the table scene could have been cut out altogether, like >50% of that trilogy, but it would have been weird and cheap if the whole scene had just been cutting between close ups of Gandalf and dwarves.
 
I don't remember that shot or scene from 300 #2. I don't remember a single thing about that movie, really, so I don't know what the final product from this setup was.

The setup for the Hobbit shot has a purpose that I can respect though. I guess the table scene could have been cut out altogether, like >50% of that trilogy, but it would have been weird and cheap if the whole scene had just been cutting between close ups of Gandalf and dwarves.

I'm not really talking about this scene . . . that scene . . . I'm talking about the growing tendency to shoot everything on a soundstage and create digital environments around our actors, instead of either physically constructing those environments (when appropriate) or taking our actors out on location.

I'm not completely against the use of green screen. It's a valuable tool and has its place. What I am against is its OVERUSE. I am against the way someone like Zack Snyder uses it, where stories are told in these almost-entirely digital-looking worlds that seem to have no weight or reality to them.

Frankly, it's hard for me to even understand how actors can perform convincingly in environments like that.
 
I'm not really talking about this scene . . . that scene . . . I'm talking about the growing tendency to shoot everything on a soundstage and create digital environments around our actors, instead of either physically constructing those environments (when appropriate) or taking our actors out on location.

I'm not completely against the use of green screen. It's a valuable tool and has its place. What I am against is its OVERUSE. I am against the way someone like Zack Snyder uses it, where stories are told in these almost-entirely digital-looking worlds that seem to have no weight or reality to them.

Frankly, it's hard for me to even understand how actors can perform convincingly in environments like that.

No real argument here. I just found the Hobbit shot to be one of the defensible instances.
 
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Haven't seen it.

LOL

If you ever get a chance to see it, I think you should, if only because it's a fairly recent (2007) movie but it's shot in kind of a classical style. It was almost like an adventure movie from the 50s or 60s, but made by one of today's filmmakers with today's cameras and audio tools. I think it's worth watching for that alone.
 
Man this movie was a turd. I gave it a 5 back when I saw it. can't remember the last time I gave a movie a 5.
 
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