BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

[burningspear]

Adults watching superhero movies deserve to be let down.

 

[Minnja]

Saw the Ultimate Edition last night (haven't seen the original). I honestly thought the last hour or so was pretty good. The first two hours ranged from being kind of interesting to boring. I felt like Lex Luthor's entire ploy to get Batman to fight Superman was too drawn out. Idk if they could have shortened it or if they should have completely changed it but it just felt like it kept dragging on and on.

I'm not super familiar with DC characters but I always thought of Lex as a sort of more dangerous version of Kingpin. It seemed like they wanted to make him like the Joker or something. I'm also not too sure how I felt about Doomsday. Felt like he deserved more screentime/buildup instead of being thrown in at the end.

 

[BoxingFan123]

What do you mean by no stakes?

I loved the fact that the world didn't hang in the balance. Such a tired trope. It was refreshing to see the stakes were personal, imo.

I don't mean the world has to be on the line for stakes to be raised, I just meant the action seemed like a glorified sparring match. You felt the visceral emotion from Batman wanting to take out Superman, Civil War lacked any of that because Avengers literally showed Hawkeye doing the same thing as Winter Soldier with zero repercussions.

 

[DM1982]

I'm not interested in the movie and had no plans to watch it. After reading this, I'm going to extra not watch it





So hard.

This list is called nit-picking, my friend.

Not dissing Bi, but that list is ass; only a couple of legit beefs (Eisenberg being one, of course ; )

If you want to like this film, I believe you can - I did. Too many good moments + it could be only B v S movie we ever get.

May as well watch it mate.

 

[BoxingFan123]

Because it was boring and the character motivations made little sense at all. Lex Luthor wants Batman and Superman to fight because...something about his dad or something?

Batman is a goddamn idiot in this movie. The World Greatest Detective doesnt figure out the White Portuguese or whatever it was doesnt refer to a person until he sees a photograph. he wants to literally kill Superman for the dumbest reason of all time. "people died" right, because the WORLD would have ended if Superman didnt intervene you stupid fucktard.

The movie explored man's powerlessness in relation to God many times, Lex harkened to Prometheus and having knowledge without power. Besides the Judeo Christian imagery we had a montage which had Supes parallel the labors of Hercules. I don't know how Snyder could have made it any more clear this was a Man v God trope, shit he even had Batman and Lex motivations mirror each other to ponder what makes one a hero and one a villain.

As opposed to Nolan's 'World's Greatest Detective' who handed over all the codes and his company to the daughter of Ras Al Ghul without vetting her at all!?!? Good detective work Bruce. I liked that Batfleck didn't have to lean on Morgan Freeman to make all his gadgets and do all his computer hacking.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

I don't mean the world has to be on the line for stakes to be raised, I just meant the action seemed like a glorified sparring match. You felt the visceral emotion from Batman wanting to take out Superman, Civil War lacked any of that because Avengers literally showed Hawkeye doing the same thing as Winter Soldier with zero repercussions.

Ah, I see what you mean. I can't disagree with you.

 

[Clear Winner]

If you want an honest answer to your question, here are my reasons off the top of my head:

- Wonder Woman was completely extraneous to the plot. Remove her and nothing changes.
- Wonder Woman took away and distracted from the central theme of Batman vs Superman.
- Batman vs Superman was more than enough for a full movie on its own.
- Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg introduced by fucking e-mail attachment?
- So the only reason Batman and Wonder Woman ever hear of these people is because they were on Lex Luthor's hard drive?
- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.
- Why did you say that name?!??!?!?!
- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.
- Dream sequence inside a dream sequence.
- So Superman's ship can create the undead?
- So Lex Luthor dripping his blood into an alien jacuzzi turns dead Zod into Doomsday? WTF? Without hinting at any of this beforehand?
- Why is Luthor even doing any of the shit he is doing? Does anyone know?
- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.
- Never see Wonder Woman's lasso or know she has one until we cut to it already around Doomsday.
- Ding! Ding! Ding! He's coming!!!

Etc., etc.

I didn't hate it, but when you put it like that.....

I've been waiting from a Doomsday since he besmirched Booster Gold and they killed any possibility of that off with 10 minutes of him getting whooped.

Only watched the movie 2 weeks ago and can't even remember how they beat him and completely forgot about the Lex blood to create him.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

I don't mean the world has to be on the line for stakes to be raised, I just meant the action seemed like a glorified sparring match. You felt the visceral emotion from Batman wanting to take out Superman, Civil War lacked any of that because Avengers literally showed Hawkeye doing the same thing as Winter Soldier with zero repercussions.

Well, they didn't want to fight each other. Scarlett Witch hinted toward it when she threw Widow off of Hawkeye. She said he was holding back. Nobody was out to kill anybody...except maybe Ant-Man with that gas truck. lol

There was no hatred between the Avengers at the airport. The job was to take Cap and his team in, not kill them.

 

[Prefect]

If you want an honest answer to your question, here are my reasons off the top of my head:

- Wonder Woman was completely extraneous to the plot. Remove her and nothing changes.


Agreed. The "I thought she was with you" comment was funny though.

- Wonder Woman took away and distracted from the central theme of Batman vs Superman.

Agreed

- Batman vs Superman was more than enough for a full movie on its own.

The movie wanted to be The Dark Knight Returns, which is mostly a batman story. The movie would have been better in my opinion had it stuck with the source material. The shitty thing is that a DKR movie will never be made now since this scraped so much material from it. Too bad, Affleck fits the role of the older DKR batman who doesn't give a shit with playing by the rules anymore.

- Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg introduced by fucking e-mail attachment?

Studio is jealous of the marvel money train. DKR makes mention of other superheroes, thought. DKR2 is a mess but is filled with a ton of superheroes.

- So the only reason Batman and Wonder Woman ever hear of these people is because they were on Lex Luthor's hard drive?

DKR mentions these the other people in the comic.

- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.

I'll go with it. it was something different. In DKR, Luthor i don't think is in it or has a vary small role.

- Why did you say that name?!??!?!?!
- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.

- Dream sequence inside a dream sequence.

If that is what gets me a murder death batman, I guess.


- So Superman's ship can create the undead?



- So Lex Luthor dripping his blood into an alien jacuzzi turns dead Zod into Doomsday? WTF? Without hinting at any of this beforehand?

Source material was better.

- Why is Luthor even doing any of the shit he is doing? Does anyone know?

Source material was better. It isn't a Luthor story.


- Jesse Eisenberg's performance.

Lex has been done to death. His motive in the previous Superman movies has been around real estate. Cali pulling off the coast and creating new shoreline property. Retarded. I know. But Hackman was kind of a fun Lex. In all honesty, Lex is more like this guy if you watch the last movies.

Martin Shkreli - straight up dirtbag.

I don't know what Lex cares about in this movie. I don't know of any money making scheme with batman/superman/doomsday fighting.

- Never see Wonder Woman's lasso or know she has one until we cut to it already around Doomsday.

At this point weren't you too tired to get bend out of shape by her lasso? You are a better man than I.

- Ding! Ding! Ding! He's coming!!!

Etc., etc.

BOLD

 

[Starck]

So either refuse my points, or STFU and admit you can't defend that junk.

He's already refusing them, Mr. grammar nazi.

 

[CrazyN8]

Wonder women and batflek actually killing bad guys saved this abysmal... Stick to your marvel kiddy movies if you hate it.

Just out of curiosity how old are u? Im 34.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Hmm someone edited the "Do you bleed?" line to where everyone thought it would be from the trailers. Better or worse?

Much better

 

[clutchCAT420]

Just out of curiosity how old are u? Im 34.

Old enough to party...

 

[blaseblah]

All these issues have their equivalent in each of the MCU movies, yet no one is constantly ripping on Marvel.

Examples? I don't remember anything as stupid as the Martha thing. Or a villain as awful.

Even Ultron, who was a disappointing villain, had proper motivation. Nothing Luthor did made any sense.

 

[ButtonMasher]

I liked the movie and I like Affleck as Batman over Bale.

Only complaints I have is how Batman and Supes became allies and how quickly the movie was wrapped up but that seems to be the case with practically every superhero movie.

 

[SingerAuto]

He's already refusing them, Mr. grammar nazi.

Yeah, no. That dude was clearly FOS and out of his league. I don't know why you decided to quote such an old post, but I stand by everything I said and can back it up with fact, unlike his stupid ass.

 

[Starck]

Yeah, no. That dude was clearly FOS and out of his league. I don't know why you decided to quote such an old post, but I stand by everything I said and can back it up with fact, unlike his stupid ass.

Simply quoted because you clarified the difference between cannon and canon for him then proceeded to mix up refuse and refute.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Just rewatched it, but the extended addition.

It looks like some staggeringly stupid Snyder moments were just kept out of the theatrical version, like when Superman walks into the mountains

Spoiler

... and a Native American tells the audience that he's going into the mountains to die. Of sadness.

I noticed a lot more CGI in the Batman vs Superman fight scene, which I didn't notice in theatres. A lot of it was unnecessary, such as when they're simply punching each other. Would have looked better without CGI. The shot of Batman lifting Superman onto his shoulders was, again, bad CGI and didn't need to be CGI at all.

All in all, it still fulfilled the qualities I enjoy in movies and if I pretend the final act with Doomsday doesn't exist then I really enjoyed it. Probably would not give it such a high rating again. My fanboy self was still dazzled when I rated it in this poll, but it's probably the best BvS we could have gotten under the circumstances.

The extended version didn't improve anything, imo, and included at least one moment that was so stupid that I had to turn off the movie for an hour to recover.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Now that i think about it, the extended edition actually makes the movie worse.

Spoiler

the absence of the things that were eliminated made the theatrical release more sophisticated. In the extended cut we see Lois investigating the bombing and finally learning that the bomb was wrapped in lead so he couldn't have seen it. Not only was that entire investigation thread about as simplistic and and predictable as you can get, i genuinely enjoyed his character more when he screwed up and had to learn to forgive himself. Much more nuanced filmmaking. I really think the editors are the reason this wasn't as horribly Snyderish as i was expecting. [/quote]

 

[redjako]

I really wish Batman had kidnapped Lois, and he had done all the detective work that Lex had done (finding that the "circle" always comes back to Lois).

Then they fight, because Supes knows Lex is dangerous and doing something with the ship, and Lois is in some lead lined box to hide her.

Then Supes, almost getting stabbed, screams to have Batman ask Lois (about the dead men, the bomb that Lex tried to paint Supes with), and they grudingly unite, with some suspician of each other.

Would have been a fantastic plot (with Lois actually having conversations with Alfred whilst in her Lead cell or whatnot), since they didn't go with the source comic shit at all.