BATMAN V SUPERMAN (Dragonlord's Review, post #1)

[MikeMcMann]

LOL, marvel fans will give me problems for saying TDKR is a good film , although critics and fans love it.

But they will bring up critics and majority opinion when it's convenient (like right now)

There are some comic nerds who only care about the DC or Marvel label and everything is viewed through that lens. I am not one. I hope for both Universes to produce awesome cinema universes for us.

It does seem to me that there is a pretty reflexive and vocal DC fan club however who are just arguing and pumping all things DC and tearing down all things Marvel just because. Because DC does not have the mojo right now and Marvel does. Maybe some of that is going the other way from Marvel fanboys but I doubt it is as much because, again I think a typical marvel uber fan would still love to see great Batman and Superman movies, etc.

That you and others seem to always characterize this debate in terms of fanboys suggests to me that, that may be your lens and you are projecting.

I mean really is Warner Brothers just Marvel fan boys? Are they not trying to move away from more and more they did in BvS and more towards what Marvel is doing? Are they wrong and simply haters or fanboys too?

 

[Mike]

Look man, i think your argument is solid even though I disagree.

But someone who said bvs is better than civil war is not lame (i think they are equally good)

And to compare that statement to mcd being the best restaurants is not a valid argument

Maybe I misunderstood your point then, that seems reasonable enough

 

[BoxingFan123]

As DC continues to purge more and more people involved with BVS and the talk continues about radically changing the environment to a more light and fun based one, you can scream from the hilltops that your very minority opinion of BvS greatness and CACW, being poor is the only right one and WB and Marvel simply have it wrong.

And as I said, not every tiny minority opinion is a terrible one, but in most cases going against a pretty near consensus one often highlights terrible taste and poorly thought out opinions. In your case there is no doubt of that.

It's pretty obvious GA's want popcorn disposable action flicks for CBM's, that is fine it doesn't mean Snyder's deconstruction and reclamation of the Superman/Batman mythos while exploring the same themes of Civil War in a more human/emotional manner was a bad thing, just that it wasn't what audiences wanted from a CMB.

 

[Loiosh]

Um.... Yeah okay..

Different taste in movies i guess.. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't really watch that kind of movie any more, but for what it is, it's brilliant.

Watched it when it first came out with a bunch of friends and we had a blast, it was ridiculous fun.

 

[Strange King]

Am I the only who both really liked BvS and Civil War? Why are we acting like we are only allowed to pick one favorite?

I liked bvs more the 2nd time I watched it but I wouldn't of watched it twice if I didn't already buy my imax tickets ahead of time for the 1st Sunday opening weekend. I happened to be in a small town on Saturday and saw no line so I saw it the day before.

Honestly would of not seen bvs again but in doing so I enjoyed a little more and picked where the faults were and what they were trying to do

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Am I the only who both really liked BvS and Civil War? Why are we acting like we are only allowed to pick one favorite?

If you do that, we can't call you a fanboy. What's the fun in that?

 

[MadSquabbles500]

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I like the movie too, but this guy talks too much.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Didn't like it at all. The characters were just not meshed well. Seemed glued together rather than seamless.

I dont remember, but did you like the Marvel, and X-men movies. They both did much worse in trying to mesh even more characters together, and they tried to do it with either hokey humor, or a pretentious party at Stark's penthouse.

 

[Big Brown Clown]

Rumors:

- Charles Roven isn't the only one leaving the DCEU as producer as Deborah Snyder will also be leaving after Justice League.

- There were some changes done to the Justice League script. Zack Snyder added nightmare sequences in the Batman v. Superman script that weren't written by Chris Terrio and he planned on doing nightmare sequences for all of the Justice League members but the studio put the brakes on those plans. However, there will be a scene that ties into Batman's nightmare in the film. The nightmare sequences alone would have cost an extra 35 million dollars alone.

- Geoff Johns has suggested a team of creative minds to join him in creating the DCEU. Jon Berg will be taking care of the business side of things.

- Zack Snyder's next project won't be a DCEU film. He will be working on a remake of The Illustrated Man.

- Ben Affleck's Batman will be getting a trilogy. Suicide Squad also has a sequel in development. A first draft for the Man of Steel sequel has been recently submitted.

- The Flash movie might be delayed and replaced by Shazam.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It's pretty obvious GA's want popcorn disposable action flicks for CBM's, that is fine it doesn't mean Snyder's deconstruction and reclamation of the Superman/Batman mythos while exploring the same themes of Civil War in a more human/emotional manner was a bad thing, just that it wasn't what audiences wanted from a CMB.

lol. love how you guys argue for not crapping on the minority opinions while you crap on the majority ones with a wrong headed view that what people want is simply popcorn flicks.

You have only yourself to blame if you were unable to take anything away more than a 'popcorn flick' from CACW and others. Do not project your limitations in viewing and comprehending the material onto us.

 

[BoxingFan123]

lol. love how you guys argue for not crapping on the minority opinions while you crap on the majority ones with a wrong headed view that what people want is simply popcorn flicks.

You have only yourself to blame if you were unable to take anything away more than a 'popcorn flick' from CACW and others. Do not project your limitations in viewing and comprehending the material onto us.

I've stated before Winter Soldier is almost a perfect CBM genre piece , I have no alliance to Marvel/DC. Aside from pacing/editing issues in the first 1/3 of BvS the movie is a spectacle to behold. I can see why audiences wouldn't be amused by what they saw, the knightmare sequence is disjarring on purpose, Snyder shows the audience how Bruce is disorientated by these parallel world memories collapsing in on his consciousness. The deconstruction not only of the Batman/Superman mythos but of the CBM genre as a whole, he places the damn end of scene trailers for JL characters right before Batman and Superman square off, showing audiences how crass and commercialized the genre has become.

 

[raty tat tat]

Rumors:

- Charles Roven isn't the only one leaving the DCEU as producer as Deborah Snyder will also be leaving after Justice League.

- There were some changes done to the Justice League script. Zack Snyder added nightmare sequences in the Batman v. Superman script that weren't written by Chris Terrio and he planned on doing nightmare sequences for all of the Justice League members but the studio put the brakes on those plans. However, there will be a scene that ties into Batman's nightmare in the film. The nightmare sequences alone would have cost an extra 35 million dollars alone.

- Geoff Johns has suggested a team of creative minds to join him in creating the DCEU. Jon Berg will be taking care of the business side of things.

- Zack Snyder's next project won't be a DCEU film. He will be working on a remake of The Illustrated Man.

- Ben Affleck's Batman will be getting a trilogy. Suicide Squad also has a sequel in development. A first draft for the Man of Steel sequel has been recently submitted.

- The Flash movie might be delayed and replaced by Shazam.

I hope when they make the Flash movie it's with the T.V. flash instead.

Now if I made the BvS film it would have been a cross of this and SS I would have
had Amanda Waller use Scarecrow to to use fear gas to cause SM and BM battle each
other while the SS carries out their mission then have Supes and Bats snap out of it, then
recruit the other JL characters in the film to hunt down and stop the SS.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I hope when they make the Flash movie it's with the T.V. flash instead.

Now if I made the BvS film it would have been a cross of this and SS I would have
had Amanda Waller use Scarecrow to to use fear gas to cause SM and BM battle each
other while the SS carries out their mission then have Supes and Bats snap out of it, then
recruit the other JL characters in the film to hunt down and stop the SS.

Bats on his own murks the SS. Superman takes them all down in under a minute.

Using the whole Justice League against the SS is like sending in Delta Force to break up a bar room brawl.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I've stated before Winter Soldier is almost a perfect CBM genre piece , I have no alliance to Marvel/DC. Aside from pacing/editing issues in the first 1/3 of BvS the movie is a spectacle to behold. I can see why audiences wouldn't be amused by what they saw, the knightmare sequence is disjarring on purpose, Snyder shows the audience how Bruce is disorientated by these parallel world memories collapsing in on his consciousness. The deconstruction not only of the Batman/Superman mythos but of the CBM genre as a whole, he places the damn end of scene trailers for JL characters right before Batman and Superman square off, showing audiences how crass and commercialized the genre has become.

The problem I have with your posts is that you keep telling others why they do not like it and yet you haven't been close to correct a single time with me. Just as your analysis above is again wrong with regards to my issue with the movie.

 

[76Knockout]

The action especially with Batman was great.

Felt really sloppy, with way too many plot conveniences and the justice league setup was lazy as fuck. Lex jr was just silly, not in a good way.

I also love James Wan who will direct the stand alone movie, he's my current favorite Horror director, but MAN did the few seconds of Aquaman in BvS killed almost any interest in that character at all. I might see just for Wan's direction. But man was he cringeworthy.

6/10

Also Martha, really? Fucking Martha

 

[MadSquabbles500]

The action especially with Batman was great.

Felt really sloppy, with way too many plot conveniences and the justice league setup was lazy as fuck. Lex jr was just silly, not in a good way.

I also love James Wan who will direct the stand alone movie, he's my current favorite Horror director, but MAN did the few seconds of Aquaman in BvS killed almost any interest in that character at all. I might see just for Wan's direction. But man was he cringeworthy.

6/10

Also Martha, really? Fucking Martha

I admit the setup to Justice League is lazy. But there is no way BVS has more plot conveniences than any of the Avengers or Cap Murica movies, or even the Thor Movies.

 

[76Knockout]

I admit the setup to Justice League is lazy. But there is no way BVS has more plot conveniences than any of the Avengers or Cap Murica movies, or even the Thor Movies.

I don't want to turn this into some fanboy shit because i don't care. Nolans Batman films and the Cap movies are my two favorites of all time.

But Thor sucked, for a multiple reasons, BvS sucked also for multiple reasons not just plot conveniences. Doomsday was stupid, they rushed Supermans death because they are trying to cram way too much shit into one movie, they kill and bring him back to life in the same movie like wtf its basically Man of Steel 2, that could have been done so much better after Justice league movies so we would have cared more.

And Martha, that takes a whole point away right there and is why i will never say Affleck is better than Bale because that moment, while not Afflecks fault is so incredibly stupid i can't even put it into words what a retarded anticlimactic way to end that fight.

Louis Lane is also incredibly useless in the movie.

Thankfully Batman carried the movie IMO and made it fun and watchable at times, he was great.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I don't want to turn this into some fanboy shit because i don't care. Nolans Batman films and the Cap movies are my two favorites of all time.

But Thor sucked, for a multiple reasons, BvS sucked also for multiple reasons not just plot conveniences. Doomsday was stupid, they rushed Supermans death because they are trying to cram way too much shit into one movie, they kill and bring him back to life in the same movie like wtf its basically Man of Steel 2, that could have been done so much better after Justice league movies so we would have cared more.

And Martha, that takes a whole point away right there and is why i will never say Affleck is better than Bale because that moment, while not Afflecks fault is so incredibly stupid i can't even put it into words what a retarded anticlimactic way to end that fight.

Louis Lane is also incredibly useless in the movie.

Thankfully Batman carried the movie IMO and made it fun and watchable at times, he was great.

I think you just don't understand that the Martha thing was meant to be disjarring on purpose.

But seriously yes it was dumb and rushed. The entire movie was rushed because DC feels they need to catch up to Marvel and get their entire cinematic universe on the screen yesterday.

So this movie had about 3 movies worth of material jammed into it which forced the pacing, and forced silly plot conveniences such as Lois throwing away the spear and going back to get it. Such as Martha being kidnapped and superman not having a clue. And so on and so on.

 

[SingerAuto]

That is not even close of being valid comparison.

If I told you some 30 minutes youtube mini movies are better than civil war, then your argument is solid.

But both civil war and bvs are blockbuster movies, its not lame to think bvs is better, it might be a minority's opinion, but its still a valid position.


Most problem people have with bvs are with the pacing, tone and plot holes, those things are mostly objective.

I don't see anyone complaining about actors performance, cgi or the fight scenes, most people think its good.

No one complaining about the acting? WTF? EVERYONE has killed Eisenberg for his turn as Lex, rightfully so he was horrendous.

 

[Abezal]

No one complaining about the acting? WTF? EVERYONE has killed Eisenberg for his turn as Lex, rightfully so he was horrendous.

Actually he was great, his just unlikable and did not fit the preconceived notion of who and how Lex should act.

He could have made a perfect riddler.