Bad title fights decisions

This (Jones vs Reyes) is not the first time the judges stank up the place:

GSP vs Hendricks
Hendricks vs Robbie 1
Hendricks vs Robbie 2
Robbie vs Condit
Shogun vs Machida
Benson vs Frankie 1
Benson vs Frankie 2
Jones vs Gus 1
Jones vs Mareta
DJ vs CCCehudo

Judges have a history of bad/terrible decisions. The community is right, there has to be a change in the scoring system, maybe we need to completely eliminate the judges and introduce a new way to score the fights.
That's a list with two decisions that were easy, obvious and completely right, Jones v Gus, Jones v Santos, and the rest were fights that could have gone either way, which, by definition, makes them not "horrible," no matter what the outcome, and I did disagree with several.

Anyone who thinks Jones vs Gus 1 was a bad decision has disqualified himself from commenting on judging stupidity.
 
It's as close or closer than numerous fights you posted and this:

MEDIA SCORES
Nick Baldwin
BloodyElbow.com 49-46 Cruz
Jason Floyd
TheMMAReport.com 48-47 Cruz
Luke Thomas
MMAFighting.com 48-47 Cruz
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com 48-47 Cruz
MMABrasil.com.br 48-47 Cruz
SevereMMA.com 48-47 Cruz
Wrestling Observer 48-47 Cruz
Chris Nelson
Sherdog.com 48-47 Cruz
MMAMania.com 48-47 Cruz
Rob Tatum
CombatPress.com 48-47 Cruz
Danny Segura
MMAFighting.com 48-47 Cruz
Craig Amos
BleacherReport.com 48-47 Cruz
Dallas Winston
BloodyElbow.com 48-48 DRAW
Jim Edwards
MMALatestNews.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Jeff Sherwood
Sherdog.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Tristen Critchfield
Sherdog.com 47-48 Dillashaw
MMAJunkie.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Paul Fontaine
WrestlingObserver.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Patrick Wyman
BleacherReport.com 47-48 Dillashaw
John Pollock
Fight Network 47-48 Dillashaw
Trent Dozier
LastWordOnSports.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Cory Braiterman
MMAMania.com 47-49 Dillashaw
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com 46-49 Dillashaw
 
It's as close or closer than numerous fights you posted and this:

MEDIA SCORES
Nick Baldwin
BloodyElbow.com 49-46 Cruz
Jason Floyd
TheMMAReport.com 48-47 Cruz
Luke Thomas
MMAFighting.com 48-47 Cruz
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com 48-47 Cruz
MMABrasil.com.br 48-47 Cruz
SevereMMA.com 48-47 Cruz
Wrestling Observer 48-47 Cruz
Chris Nelson
Sherdog.com 48-47 Cruz
MMAMania.com 48-47 Cruz
Rob Tatum
CombatPress.com 48-47 Cruz
Danny Segura
MMAFighting.com 48-47 Cruz
Craig Amos
BleacherReport.com 48-47 Cruz
Dallas Winston
BloodyElbow.com 48-48 DRAW
Jim Edwards
MMALatestNews.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Jeff Sherwood
Sherdog.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Tristen Critchfield
Sherdog.com 47-48 Dillashaw
MMAJunkie.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Paul Fontaine
WrestlingObserver.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Patrick Wyman
BleacherReport.com 47-48 Dillashaw
John Pollock
Fight Network 47-48 Dillashaw
Trent Dozier
LastWordOnSports.com 47-48 Dillashaw
Cory Braiterman
MMAMania.com 47-49 Dillashaw
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com 46-49 Dillashaw

Close yes, but not a robbery. And you gotta give it to Cruz, the guy came back from 9 years lay off and won the belt again
 
Close yes, but not a robbery. And you gotta give it to Cruz, the guy came back from 9 years lay off and won the belt again

That last sentence is not relevant to how a fight should be scored. TJ won that fight more convincingly than Jones won last weekend for sure and a thousand times more convincingly than Robbie Lawler did against Condit. That's the definition of a robbery. Lawler arguably lost 4 rounds against Condit. At best, Lawler won 2 rounds.

The fact regarding Dillashaw vs Cruz not being made out to being a big deal here is simple. TJ is universally hated on Sherdog so everyone was ok with the very questionable decision.
 
PRIDE rules.
1st round is 10 minutes.
Fight judged as a whole instead of rounds.
And never hire boxing judges ever again.
PRIDE had bad decisions too. Either by design or just bad judges.

Ricco Rodriguez vs Minotauro Nogueira
Guy Mezger vs Sakuraba
Mark Hunt vs Wanderlei Silva
Ikuhisa Minowa vs Ryan Gracie

Just to name a few
 
You're wrong lol
 
not a hobbery?
It´s important to understand somethin´essential related 2 Randle´s skill set: his GNP posture was problematic, especially against much taller dudes (see fights like the one vs Barreto,for instance...).

He would stay much 2 low in the guard, head basically on his opponent´s belly, and would eat some unnecessary elbows or punches from there, without even reactin´sometimes.....(consequently, his punches would come from 2 far away too...)

Then, because of his suspect cardio, he would more often than not, stay quite inactive in the guard, leadin´ to stand-ups, where he would have to spend more energy to get the TD...

Randle dominated till the 1st stand-up (cut), with legit damage via GNP...

Problem is that each time BJM would stop the action to check the cut, the fighters wouldnt go back to the ground...

Then, each time Randle would get the TD (4 times after the inital one), he would bury his head in Rutten´s chest, without posturing up or trying to pass guard (IIRC he only got once the side control)...

Only Ground Control, lil damage done, while Bas would score points with solid elbows and short punches...

It´s normally in Pride that Bas would have gotten the win...
Here, they gave him the decision, which represents an anomaly in the UFC Fight Configuration, but Randle did so little after the 1st stand-up, except getting the TDs...
There were 4 stand-ups IIRC...

Besides, more than Rutten´s short punches, it´s his elbows after the 2nd stand-up (between the 1st and the 2nd one: lil action on the ground) that need to be considered.
 
PRIDE had bad decisions too. Either by design or just bad judges.

Ricco Rodriguez vs Minotauro Nogueira
Guy Mezger vs Sakuraba
Mark Hunt vs Wanderlei Silva
Ikuhisa Minowa vs Ryan Gracie

Just to name a few
Sure it did. But judging the fight as a whole just seems like a better way than round by round. Maybe it's just my opinion, dunno. I like 10-minute rounds too.
 
PRIDE had bad decisions too. Either by design or just bad judges.

Ricco Rodriguez vs Minotauro Nogueira
Guy Mezger vs Sakuraba
Mark Hunt vs Wanderlei Silva
Ikuhisa Minowa vs Ryan Gracie

Just to name a few
hmmm, nah...

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-37-controversial-decisions-scorin´systems.4020275/

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/

> Minowaman vs Hyan is debattable.

> Wand vs Hunt, close fight but no hobbery if ya really understand Pride´s complex Scorin´System:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...n´da-atomic-butt-drop.4084973/#post-158973109
 
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Yeah it was. The fact that many still bring it up other than myself say it was a bad decision.
It´s because ya dont understand the complexity of Pride´s Scorin´System, mate.

It iz what it iz.
 
It´s because ya dont understand the complexity of Pride´s Scorin´System, mate.

It iz what it iz.
No I understand.

Other fights have been won in PRIDE with similar circumstances in favor of the performance like Ricco (many of Arona's fights come to mind) so yeah, bad decision.
 
This (Jones vs Reyes) is not the first time the judges stank up the place:

GSP vs Hendricks
Hendricks vs Robbie 1
Hendricks vs Robbie 2
Robbie vs Condit
Shogun vs Machida
Benson vs Frankie 1
Benson vs Frankie 2
Jones vs Gus 1
Jones vs Mareta
DJ vs CCCehudo

Judges have a history of bad/terrible decisions. The community is right, there has to be a change in the scoring system, maybe we need to completely eliminate the judges and introduce a new way to score the fights.
I think you are mixing decisions you didn’t like in with Awful ones.
DJ vs Cejudo with the new Rule set should have been a clear win for DJ. GSP vs Hendricks and Jones vs Gus were both a case of a challenger getting extra credit for Not getting destroyed as expected.

I watched Gus vs Jones 1 rooting for Gus and thought he. Won. Having taken a second look and scoring it round by round Jones won clearly.

GSP vs Hendricks I was rooting for GSP and felt the commentary was biased towards Hendricks. I was worried he would win but I thought GSP had won. 4 rounds were very clear and it came down to the first round. GSP won the round. Hendricks “Elbows of DEATH” were doin g nothing and GSPstayed in the single until he realized he would t get it. The elbows didn’t stop him. Watch round 1with no commentary and score it based on striking then Grappling. Close fight but no robbery either way.

if you want to see a horribly judged fight (not a title fight)watch Aaron Simpson vs Tom Lawlor. First round iirc was a clear 10-8 under even the old rules.
 
The worst was Randleman vs Rutten, and that was a long time ago!.
 
No I understand.

Other fights have been won in PRIDE with similar circumstances in favor of the performance like Ricco (many of Arona's fights come to mind) so yeah, bad decision.
In your list, Wand has the best case, but even so, no hobbery, close fight & kindah tricky to score because of that complex Scorin´ System.

Ricco had absolutely nuthin´in that fight. In UFC, he would have won, sure. In Pride? Zero.
 
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