Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.12

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Hulk's not a technical fighter and Thanos seems to be so he has experience, but he still had that purple power on him
I felt that above all else this was intended to differentiate the two. Hulk literally just smashes when he fights. Pure reflexes, strength, and rage. Thanos tuned him up with some of the highest level striking, timing, and coordination ever witnessed. Even if he requires the Power Stone to possess more strength than the Hulk the more terrifying difference is that he is not a mindless beast when he possesses it.

Part of why I have so quickly gained an admiration for this movie when I didn't think that highly of it after watching it in the theaters is in analyzing it more closely I have noticed how much depth there is to it, artistically, and one way the movie achieves this is in how it contrasts Thanos to each of our major heroes.

Notice that when Ebony Maw presents Thanos with the Tesseract that Thanos sheds his ceremonial battle armor. It's a moment of evolution. He no longer needs it. Meanwhile, The Hulk, shellshocked by his loss, is forced to assume Tony's "Hulkbuster" suit later in the movie-- to adorn armor. This is a devolution.


My biggest question mark is still Goldblum's character. I think I mentioned this before, but I think he is a Celestial or a Cosmic Entity, most likely the former, and an incredibly powerful being. In the post-credits scene of Ragnarok we are left with one last laugh, and the implication that he is about to be torn apart by the revolution--by the mob-- that has successfully captured him. I think not. I think all of his pretenses are exhausted, a defense mechanism intended to deceive those who would threaten him into underestimating him, and so now he must show his true face. He massacres them all. I am confident he didn't die, even if he was taken prisoner, which didn't seem to be the mob goal, but his most likely next appearance will be in the 3rd Guardians movie, and not so significant in the main line. I imagine he will be coming after Thor and Hulk in that third movie pursuing revenge.

This is where my thinking gets weird. After all, the very dimension Goldblum aka Grandmaster created exists outside the laws and forces of the Infinity Stones; time is wonky there. Part of me wonders if there are 6 Cosmics, one for each of the Infinity Stones, not the 4 we were shown by the Collector from the Morag Vault (Death, Entropy, Infinity, Eternity):

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Each Cosmic represents one of the six different dimensions of the singularity, and so each created a stone that expresses the power of their peculiar dimension. Eternity is Time; Infinity is Space; Entropy is Soul; Death is Power; that leaves Mind and Reality.

I just can't get over four beings creating six stones. Even if Grandmaster is just a Celestial, not a Cosmic Entity, he is a Celestial with weird power over Time (or Reality or Space) reminiscent of how Ego had weird power over Mind. I also think of the Celestial wielding the Power Stone that the Collector showed us. He certainly appeared to resemble a character previously known to me as Galactus, but with his helmet covering his face. Perhaps the Celestials were intended to be the stewards of the stones created by the Cosmics. That's alarming considering their God complexes, but they're sort of Godly. As Loki has pointed out, we don't pay much attention to a few dead ants. We don't even sweat to wipe out a colony. Besides, Thanos doesn't seem all that nice.

I know none of this is very realistic or in tune with what is going on, but this is why I mostly stay off these threads, and stay off Reddit. Breakthroughs come from weird, flawed meanderings. Besides, it's more fun this way.
 
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They teamed up to take down Hate Monger, who was a clone of Adolf Hitler.

Also, there have been stories where the Skull has made it perfectly clear that no one is allowed to kill Captain America except him.
Im talking mcu

Theyll never team up
 
Anyone else think the whole Hulk suit was kind of goofy?

1. It is not even close to as strong or durable as the actual hulk. Kind of just a delay/waste of time. Put someone else in the suit and let the real hulk, hulk out

2. If Banner was having such a hard time going hulk, why not just..............stab him in the throat or something. that will trigger it wont it? If he A)gets mad or B)is about to die
 
I felt that above all else this was intended to differentiate the two. Hulk literally just smashes when he fights. Pure reflexes, strength, and rage. Thanos tuned him up with some of the highest level striking, timing, and coordination ever witnessed. Even if he requires the Power Stone to possess more strength than the Hulk the more terrifying difference is that he is not a mindless beast when he possesses it.

Part of why I have so quickly gained an admiration for this movie when I didn't think that highly of it after watching it in the theaters is in analyzing it more closely I have noticed how much depth there is to it, artistically, and one way the movie achieves this is in how it contrasts Thanos to each of our major heroes.

Notice that when Ebony Maw presents Thanos with the Tesseract that Thanos sheds his ceremonial battle armor. It's a moment of evolution. He no longer needs it. Meanwhile, The Hulk, shellshocked by his loss, is forced to assume Tony's "Hulkbuster" suit later in the movie-- to adorn armor. This is a devolution.


My biggest question mark is still Goldblum's character. I think I mentioned this before, but I think he is a Celestial or a Cosmic Entity, most likely the former, and an incredibly powerful being. In the post-credits scene of Ragnarok we are left to with one last laugh, and the implication that he is about to be torn apart by the revolution, and the mob that has successfully captured him. I think not. I think all of his pretenses are exhausted, a defense mechanism intended to deceive those who would threaten him into underestimating him, and so now he must show his true face. He massacres them all. I am confident he didn't die, even if he was taken prisoner, which didn't seem to be the mob goal, but his most likely next appearance will be in the 3rd Guardians movie, and not so significant in the main line. I imagine he will be coming after Thor and Hulk in that third movie pursuing revenge.

This is where my thinking gets weird. After all, the very dimension Goldblum aka Grandmaster created exists outside the laws and forces of the Infinity Stones; time is wonky there. Part of me wonders if there are 6 Cosmics, one for each of the Infinity Stones, not the 4 we were shown by the Collector from the Morag Vault (Death, Entropy, Infinity, Eternity):

310


Each Cosmic represents one of the six different dimensions of the singularity, and so each created a stone that expresses the power of their peculiar dimension. Eternity is Time; Infinity is Space; Entropy is Soul; Death is Power; that leaves Mind and Reality.

I just can't get over four beings creating six stones. Even if Grandmaster is just a Celestial, not a Cosmic Entity, he is a Celestial with weird power over Time (or Reality or Space) reminiscent of how Ego had weird power over Mind. I also think of the Celestial wielding the Power Stone that the Collector showed us. He certainly appeared to resemble a character previously known to me as Galactus, but with his helmet covering his face. Perhaps the Celestials were intended to be the stewards of the stones created by the Cosmics. That's alarming considering their God complexes, but they're sort of Godly. As Loki has pointed out, we don't pay much attention to a few dead ants. We don't even sweat to wipe out a colony. Besides, Thanos doesn't seem all that nice.

I know none of this is very realistic or in tune with what is going on, but this is why I mostly stay off these threads, and stay off Reddit. Breakthroughs come from weird, flawed meanderings. Besides, it's more fun this way.

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Anyone else think the whole Hulk suit was kind of goofy?

1. It is not even close to as strong or durable as the actual hulk. Kind of just a delay/waste of time. Put someone else in the suit and let the real hulk, hulk out

2. If Banner was having such a hard time going hulk, why not just..............stab him in the throat or something. that will trigger it wont it? If he A)gets mad or B)is about to die
They shoulda just called him a :eek::eek::eek: behind his back
Bet that woulda worked
 
This movie still has a major flaw which bugs me

When Ebony Maw blasts the fire hydrant and the water blast shoots Wong out of the way

A fire hydrant is like a foreign alien thing to Maw just like any foreign alien thing to us is confusing, fucking Bruce Banner had difficulty with a space ship that dumb Thor could pilot

How did Maw quickly understand what a fire hydrant not only was but know which way to break it with his powers to blow wong?

This movie is fucked
After reading your comment, i realized how shitty this movie is. God damn it!

I'm pretty sure Rian Johnson would've done better! Fuck this shit i'm out!
 
....dumb Thor could pilot
In 1500 years of waging war with advanced beings (the line in The Avengers about "a higher form of war") he probably learned a few things.
 
In 1500 years of waging war with advanced beings (the line in The Avengers about "a higher form of war") he probably learned a few things.

I just thought it was funny cause Thor is depicted as mostly dumb and considers a ship he's never been in as "just another spaceship"

And Bruce is shown to be a genius but has a hard time workin it

ya know comedy
 
I just thought it was funny cause Thor is depicted as mostly dumb and considers a ship he's never been in as "just another spaceship"

And Bruce is shown to be a genius but has a hard time workin it

ya know comedy
Thor is seeerious business. No laugh!

Especially now with his sparkly fingers and that Lumberjack Challenge axe of his. It's about time, as he's not just some second rate brawler.
 
In 1500 years of waging war with advanced beings (the line in The Avengers about "a higher form of war") he probably learned a few things.

And he speaks Groot as well:)
 
They should plant stormbreaker in the ground and grow another groot
 
Thor is seeerious business. No laugh!

Especially now with his sparkly fingers and that Lumberjack Challenge axe of his. It's about time, as he's not just some second rate brawler.

Thor was the good guy's MVP, no doubt. I'm not saying the Wakandans and Avengers would have lost to the Outriders if he hadn't turned up, but they would have lost a lot more people in the battle. And he's the only one to do serious damage to Thanos.

BTW, the Russo's have confirmed that in A4, both Thanos and the Gauntlet are still damaged and not operating at peak power.
 
Anyone else think the whole Hulk suit was kind of goofy?

1. It is not even close to as strong or durable as the actual hulk. Kind of just a delay/waste of time. Put someone else in the suit and let the real hulk, hulk out

2. If Banner was having such a hard time going hulk, why not just..............stab him in the throat or something. that will trigger it wont it? If he A)gets mad or B)is about to die

They didn't want the hulk in this movie that much is clear. Why? I don't know. My hope is they are preparing to have Hulk go through some sort of transformation that will make him more powerful than ever. I'm also wondering if the change will include some sort of color\speech change as in he can talk normal now and have full control.

In the comics Hulk had various colors\personalities so only makes since that the MCU takes advantage of this and implements it into the story somehow. The change could also coincide with changing the character enough to release a better solo movie for him after A4.
 
After 75 years or so stuck on Vormir, the Red Skull sounded a lot less arrogant than he did in First Avenger. I wouldn't mind seeing him brought back as an Anti-Hero.

How cool would it be to see Red Skull fight side by side with Cap against Thanos?
A Nazi Anti-Hero??

Skull is the most purely evil Marvel character ever. If they anti-hero him then we lose. Its bad enough the Anti-Hero'd Doom.

Red skull would never help cap lmao

Not so sure they could not make this work.

Skull might know how to escape Vormir and that might require undoing what was just done with the Soul Stones but he might need Dr Strange's and others help.

We often see bargains struck between bad guys and good when the bad guy's self interest is at heart. And of course the bad guy always try to pull some fast one as well which I am sure Strange will be on the outlook for.
 
Not so sure they could not make this work.

Skull might know how to escape Vormir and that might require undoing what was just done with the Soul Stones but he might need Dr Strange's and others help.

We often see bargains struck between bad guys and good when the bad guy's self interest is at heart. And of course the bad guy always try to pull some fast one as well which I am sure Strange will be on the outlook for.

I would be interesting to see if the Skull has any new powers. He seemed to levitate when he first met Thanos and Gamorra, and we don't even know if there's food on Vormir. The Skull's managed to survive there for 75 years.
 
I would be interesting to see if the Skull has any new powers. He seemed to levitate when he first met Thanos and Gamorra, and we don't even know if there's food on Vormir. The Skull's managed to survive there for 75 years.

You're the only one who cares about continuing to use Red Skull in future MCU movies dood
 
Anyone else think the whole Hulk suit was kind of goofy?

1. It is not even close to as strong or durable as the actual hulk. Kind of just a delay/waste of time. Put someone else in the suit and let the real hulk, hulk out

2. If Banner was having such a hard time going hulk, why not just..............stab him in the throat or something. that will trigger it wont it? If he A)gets mad or B)is about to die

I asked the same thing, apparently its not enough to trigger hulk at this point. He'll come out on his terms and will let banner die if he need be. Plus there wasnt any time to worry about this when they had a hulkbuster (which defeated hulk) available for banner.

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