Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Thread v.10

[Deleted member 110072]

Why do we measure films in total box office instead of number of tickets sold? Would it not be easier if we just counted the people who had seen it?

Apologies if there's an obvious answer to this.

There are US figures adjusted for inflation at places like Box Office Mojo and I spose you could argue that modern higher prices mean that each viewing represents a larger commitment and indeed multiple viewings happen less often.

I mean I wouldn't be supprised if people saw something like Gone With the Wind a massive number of times each, probably with a different girl each time. <45>

 

[SmilinDesperado]

This is a good movie, but I dont like the way Loki die. He too cunning for that.. I thought we were seeing a projection of him. Maybe it actually his, projection and we see Loki in the next. And then Loki wises up, and brings in Dormammu and Agamotto, and some other cosmic entities. I hope we see the Grand Master in the Next one.

When is the next one coming out?

"Too cunning" for Thanos??????
There's levels to this. Loki can fool Thor, because Thor isn't a genius.
Thanos is a mastermind.
Ebony Maw was also more than capable .
And The rest of Thanos crew were able to trick the Avengers in Wakanda and get to Vision.
Loki is not fooling all of those guys, especially with no prep time

 

[Deleted member 110072]

"Too cunning" for Thanos??????
There's levels to this. Loki can fool Thor, because Thor isn't a genius.
Thanos is a mastermind.
Ebony Maw was also more than capable .
And The rest of Thanos crew were able to trick the Avengers in Wakanda and get to Vision.
Loki is not fooling all of those guys, especially with no prep time

What you could argue I spose is that if he was somehow faking death Thanos believes he's killed him anyway the same way he does Thor blowing up the ship.

Generally though I would take the view that Loki is the kind of character he disrespected more. Honest characters he generally didnt look down on not killing them unless needed even if there views with in opposition to his, characters looking to work via deception he showed much less respect for.

Interesting as well that Thanos's lackies are arguably more evil than he is, Ebony perhaps seeming more similar to him in personality although arguably more vindictive but the others seem to take more pleasure in their misdeeds.

Plus of course its possible that Loki is brought back with everyone else although really to me he seems like a character were that was a natural point for him to die.

 

[KnightTemplar]

What you could argue I spose is that if he was somehow faking death Thanos believes he's killed him anyway the same way he does Thor blowing up the ship.

Generally though I would take the view that Loki is the kind of character he disrespected more. Honest characters he generally showed respect for not killing them unless needed even if there views with in opposition to his, characters looking to work via deception he showed much less respect for.

Interesting as well that Thanos's lackies are arguably more evil than he is, Ebony perhaps seeming more similar to him in personality although arguably more vindictive but the others seem to take more pleasure in their misdeeds.

Plus of course its possible that Loki is brought back with everyone else although really to me he seems like a character were that was a natural point for him to die.

Thanos pretty much says this to Iron Man after their fight on Titan,

"You have earned my respect, Stark...and I hope they remember you".

Maw was creepy AF

 

[SmilinDesperado]

What you could argue I spose is that if he was somehow faking death Thanos believes he's killed him anyway the same way he does Thor blowing up the ship.

Generally though I would take the view that Loki is the kind of character he disrespected more. Honest characters he generally didnt look down on not killing them unless needed even if there views with in opposition to his, characters looking to work via deception he showed much less respect for.

Interesting as well that Thanos's lackies are arguably more evil than he is, Ebony perhaps seeming more similar to him in personality although arguably more vindictive but the others seem to take more pleasure in their misdeeds.

Plus of course its possible that Loki is brought back with everyone else although really to me he seems like a character were that was a natural point for him to die.

Yeah, throughout the movie they showed Thanos sparing the people he respected .He respected the strong.
He spared Gamora as a child because she was strong. He spared Quill because he was strong enough to pull the trigger on Gamora and stand up to him. He was willing to spare practically anyone that faced him like a man. Despite what he's doing, Thanos does have a sort of code
There's no way he respected Loki,so he had no issue with killing him.

I would have loved a 30 minute prequel that just focused on Thanos and the Black Order. They had an interesting dynamic

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yeah, throughout the movie they showed Thanos sparing the people he respected .He respected the strong.
He spared Gamora as a child because she was strong. He spared Quill because he was strong enough to pull the trigger on Gamora and stand up to him. He was willing to spare practically anyone that faced him like a man. Despite what he's doing, Thanos does have a sort of code
There's no way he respected Loki,so he had no issue with killing him.

I would have loved a 30 minute prequel that just focused on Thanos and the Black Order. They had an interesting dynamic

It was I think typical of Marvel that these characters were given so much personality even though they had relatively minor roles(Ebony a bit larger I spose), I know they existed already but in lesser hands I think we'd likely have just seem their designs adapted with little in the way of personality.

Proxima Midnight's CGI and general haughty arrogance especially was I think excellently done, I could see that character as a main villain in another film although I have my doubts we'll get one, better to always have the audience looking for more than the reverse I spose.

Personally I thought the fight in Scotchland was actually one of best action scenes of the film, nice to have something a bit more low key and atmospheric.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

It was I think typical of Marvel that these characters were given so much personality even though they had relatively minor roles(Ebony fairly big I spose), I know they existed already but in lesser hands I think we'd likely have just seem their designs adapted with little in the way of personality.

Proxima Midnight's CGI and general arrogance especially was I think excellently done, I could see that character as a main villain in another film although I have my doubts we'll get one, better to always want the audience looking for more than the reverse I spose.

Yeah, they definitely gave each character a bit of something. It really can't be said enough the attention to detail they did in this movie. You can rarely get much depth on the main villain of a movie, let alone his lackeys.

I got the arrogance of Proxima, and Corvus came across as a cunning sadist.
I also liked that scene where Maw and the big guy show up to confront Strange and Tony, and the big guy is talking, but they don't translate What he says. Not translating added something extra to that for some reason for me

 

[Lovestorm]

This wasn't my favourite Marvel film, but it was very good.

Thanos was awesome, and i can't wait to see how terrible DC make Darkseid look in comparison. Soon their failure will be complete.

 

[heavyarms21]

This wasn't my favourite Marvel film, but it was very good.

Thanos was awesome, and i can't wait to see how terrible DC make Darkseid look in comparison. Soon their failure will be complete.

It would be extremely unwise for the DCEU to use him as a Big Bad in a future Justice League venture.

To general audiences the characters would be similar however Darkseid has less Human looking qualities , the MCU really toned down the comic book look on Thanos and made his features very human , made every time he was engaged in dialogue look believable and also made his emotional scene with Gamora's death feel genuine.

However the DCEU is run by idiots so they will Probably do another rush job and fuck it up.

 

[CoolB]

And LOL at Dinklage playing a giant dwarf.

And LOL how easy it was to kill

Spoiler

Ebony Maw. And his voice is unexpected. And what is his power set again?

Ebony Maw was a beast. He destroyed them all in direct combat. I wouldn't say it was easy to kill him considering he had already murked anyone he faced on earth and left with the sorcerer supreme pretty damn easily. His death was convenient if anything. I also had no problem with his voice. It was just part of his menacing character.

 

[Tiny]

Agreed I think if every franchise had just about Feige's similar passion, understanding and direction for that particular cinematic universe, it could do well.

Feige, had the whole thing laid out 10 years back and took a risks with Iron Man. And now here we are.

Star wars big problem is that they are trying too hard to make political messages and its taking priority over story telling.

Instead of giving us a protagonist with flaws that goes through a journey of growth and discovery weve been given a person who instantly learned the force and can get herself out of any situation she faces.

Because the force is female and the female writers really want to drive home the point that females can be powerful. A message nobody really fucking disputed before star wars.

Poes big arc in the last movie was that he was a stupid man and needs to just shut his man mouth and listen for once to his female superiors.

And if you dont like story telling that talks down to you, the producers and directors call you sexist or racist.

Lol

How to destroy a popular movie ip...

 

[KnightTemplar]

Shut up and take my money!

 

[Goonerview]

Star wars big problem is that they are trying too hard to make political messages and its taking priority over story telling.

Instead of giving us a protagonist with flaws that goes through a journey of growth and discovery weve been given a person who instantly learned the force and can get herself out of any situation she faces.

Because the force is female and the female writers really want to drive home the point that females can be powerful. A message nobody really fucking disputed before star wars.

Poes big arc in the last movie was that he was a stupid man and needs to just shut his man mouth and listen for once to his female superiors.

And if you dont like story telling that talks down to you, the producers and directors call you sexist or racist.

Lol

How to destroy a popular movie ip...

The difference between Avengers IW and The last Jedi is night and day.

Avengers IW was fresh, new ideas, new characters, new fight scenes that weve never seen before, a new storyline.

Star Wars is just rehashing old ideas, "soft-rebooting" the original trilogy, SJW politics turned up to the max, selling us nostalgia "hey, look!! It's Han Solo, remember him?? And hey, it's the millennium falcon!! Yay!! And look, C3PO!!" ... ugh ... give us some NEW SHIT!!

I left the cinema watching Avengers much more satisfied, more entertained and more excited about the new movies. I will even go back and watch some of the older ones.

I don't want to see TLJ again. Once was enough.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

It would be extremely unwise for the DCEU to use him as a Big Bad in a future Justice League venture.

To general audiences the characters would be similar however Darkseid has less Human looking qualities , the MCU really toned down the comic book look on Thanos and made his features very human , made every time he was engaged in dialogue look believable and also made his emotional scene with Gamora's death feel genuine.

However the DCEU is run by idiots so they will Probably do another rush job and fuck it up.

Part of the problem DC have though is that they run their franchise like comic geeks, remember when Thanos was first revealed and there was a ton of criticism that he wasn't "cool" or "badass" enough?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Star wars big problem is that they are trying too hard to make political messages and its taking priority over story telling.

Instead of giving us a protagonist with flaws that goes through a journey of growth and discovery weve been given a person who instantly learned the force and can get herself out of any situation she faces.

Because the force is female and the female writers really want to drive home the point that females can be powerful. A message nobody really fucking disputed before star wars.

Poes big arc in the last movie was that he was a stupid man and needs to just shut his man mouth and listen for once to his female superiors.

And if you dont like story telling that talks down to you, the producers and directors call you sexist or racist.

Lol

How to destroy a popular movie ip...

I disagree with this, does JJ ABrams strike you as very political or more specifically feminist? this is the guy who showed us Carol Marcus in her underwear for no reason like a teenager on heat during Into Darkness.

The issue is I think that he and others have picked up that politics can be used to cover for poor writing/cinema, make a big fuss about your film pushing diversity and the media will tend to be much kinder to it and will look to characterise criticism of it as a sign of bigotry.

It actually belittles the causes it claims to be pushing by working in such a cynical fashion, true equality is as you say looking to write female characters as compelling as male ones.

The force as "female" isn't really something I'd agree with, I think that would only really apply to some alt right/pickup artist style idea of masculinity based totally on power and dominance with no empathy.

 

[FyrFytr998]

How did no one say, “No shit, Sherlock” when RDJ and Cumberbund were in a scene together?

Because this isn’t Deadpool.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Star wars big problem is that they are trying too hard to make political messages and its taking priority over story telling.

Instead of giving us a protagonist with flaws that goes through a journey of growth and discovery weve been given a person who instantly learned the force and can get herself out of any situation she faces.

Because the force is female and the female writers really want to drive home the point that females can be powerful. A message nobody really fucking disputed before star wars.

Poes big arc in the last movie was that he was a stupid man and needs to just shut his man mouth and listen for once to his female superiors.

And if you dont like story telling that talks down to you, the producers and directors call you sexist or racist.

Lol

How to destroy a popular movie ip...

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

A quote that summarizes Disney's attitude toward every Star Wars movie made before they bought it.

 

[Goonerview]

I disagree with this, does JJ ABrams strike you as very political or more specifically feminist? this is the guy who showed us Carol Marcus in her underwear for no reason like a teenager on heat during Into Darkness.

The issue is I think that he and others have picked up that politics can be used to cover for poor writing/cinema, make a big fuss about your film pushing diversity and the media will tend to be much kinder to it and will look to characterise criticism of it as a sign of bigotry.

It actually belittles the causes it claims to be pushing by working in such a cynical fashion, true equality is as you say looking to write female characters as compelling as male ones.

The force as "female" isn't really something I'd agree with, I think that would only really apply to some alt right/pickup artist style idea of masculinity based totally on power and dominance with no empathy.

Rey isn't compelling, she's too overpowered, has no flaws, no room for growth. It makes her boring.

I don't mind a strong female character, I like Brienne from GOT, but Rey is boring and not well written at all. Even her appearance is boring. JJ Abrams just ripped off episode 4.

The only character from the new Star Wars that has any real growth or character arc has been Kylo Ren and even then, he pretty much reverted back to where he started by the end of TLJ.

 

[Tiny]

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

A quote that summarizes Disney's attitude toward every Star Wars movie made before they bought it.

And they insult every fan who doesn't like the new direction.

"the movies are not bad, you are just a terrible person"

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Rey isn't compelling, she's too overpowered, has no flaws, no room for growth. It makes her boring.

I don't mind a strong female character, I like Brienne from GOT, but Rey is boring and not well written at all. Even her appearance is boring. JJ Abrams just ripped off episode 4.

The only character from the new Star Wars that has any real growth or character arc has been Kylo Ren and even then, he pretty much reverted back to where he started by the end of TLJ.

Yeah I don't disagree with you, Rey is pretty much a textbook Mary Sue however much people might try to argue against it.

The alternative would obviously me Jyn in Rogue One, much less powerful, much more flawed but far more interesting.

The same with Black Widow or Gamora in the MCU, maybe not a leading characters(yet anyway) but far better for having some human flaws to them.