Locked AVENGERS: ENDGAME Thread v.1

[Cojopi Extomino]

There's an element of that, sure. Thanos is a sadistic bastard at times. But he's also supremely arrogant(not completely without justification)and in the case of Thor with That Storm Breaker Look in his eye, it bit him in the ass. Thanos completely underestimated Thor because he had beaten him so easily the first time. Remember what Thor says to Trash Panda?

"He's never fought me twice".

The first time they fought, Thor was still recovering from the beating he took during Ragnarok; this was actually confirmed by the Russos themselves. By the time of the rematch, Thor is back at full strength and wielding one of the most powerful weapons in the universe. Thanos thought he could curb-stomp Thor like he did in the first match, not realising this was Healthy, Motivated, Full Training Camp Odinson. When Thor drives Storm Breaker into Thanos' chest, the Mad Titan isn't playing possum. It takes everything he has to pull out the win, and he goes through a near-death experience doing so.

I disagree. Thanos knew Thor was exploding out of the sky because he was wielding some heavy power, and in the end he even let's Thor relish in the victory before informing him that he hadn't won at all. It's just another instance of Thanos wanting to see a face have every bit of hope and joy sucked from it, as he enforces reality on his opponents. Just like every bit of hope and joy was sucked from him after his proposed solution to save half of Titan was shot down. Thanos could have easily snapped the second he saw Thor appearing. But he didn't. To me the reason is the same reason he'd been doing that all movie long.

And it really gave the moment of a level of excitement because you kinda expected it, but as he's sitting there dying with a mega-axe in his chest, you still let yourself think "maybe the good guys just won!" And then boom. Thanos does Thanos.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I disagree. Thanos knew Thor was exploding out of the sky because he was wielding some heavy power, and in the end he even let's Thor relish in the victory before informing him that he hadn't won at all. It's just another instance of Thanos wanting to see a face have every bit of hope and joy sucked from it, as he enforces reality on his opponents. Just like every bit of hope and joy was sucked from him after his proposed solution to save half of Titan was shot down. Thanos could have easily snapped the second he saw Thor appearing. But he didn't. To me the reason is the same reason he'd been doing that all movie long.

And it really gave the moment of a level of excitement because you kinda expected it, but as he's sitting there dying with a mega-axe in his chest, you still let yourself think "maybe the good guys just won!" And then boom. Thanos does Thanos.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It looked to me as though Thanos eat a heavy shot, almost got KTFO - the scene where he's talking to Gamora as a child shows just how badly shaken he was - and somehow managed to grind out a win. Thanos wouldn't have risked his plan by allowing Thor to do that kind of damage to him just to torture the Asgardian.

Thanos is a sadistic bastard, but he's not stupid. Toying with Quill and the Guardians was one thing; they're no threat to him. The Strongest Avenger - sorry, Point Break - with a weapon forged specifically to kill him is a different matter entirely.

 

[Cojopi Extomino]

We'll have to agree to disagree. It looked to me as though Thanos eat a heavy shot, almost got KTFO - the scene where he's talking to Gamora as a child shows just how badly shaken he was - and somehow managed to grind out a win. Thanos wouldn't have risked his plan by allowing Thor to do that kind of damage to him just to torture the Asgardian.

Thanos was looking shook in the soul realm because he had no idea what had just happened. His goal was to obtain the stones and wipe out life, but at no point did he imply he knew what would happen when he did it. He stated what he wanted to happen, and even as it was we saw him trying to settle himself into it. It was a whole new world for Thanos.

Thanos is a sadistic bastard, but he's not stupid. Toying with Quill and the Guardians was one thing; they're no threat to him. The Strongest Avenger - sorry, Point Break - with a weapon forged specifically to kill him is a different matter entirely.

How does he know Hulk isn't a threat to him? Why would he allow Hulk to get shots in when he knew nothing about Hulk? For all he knew, Hulk had adamantium swords in his arms and one solid punch could've included being decapitated. But he still let Hulk feel like he had victory before taking it away from him.

I'd meet you in the middle and say Thanos didn't expect Thor and the weapon to be that strong, but in my eyes he was still letting Thor taste victory so he could take it away.

Let's say it played out in a prolonged back and forth fight, Thor seemingly out-fights him and plants StormBreaker in his chest. Would you assume Thanos didn't immediately snap his fingers because he was stupid, or because he wanted Thor to feel victory before taking it away? The answer would be much clearer if it played out like that, but condense the story-telling theme of that scene into the actual part in the movie, and the motivations are the same. Thanos wanted Thor to taste victory before pulling it out of his mouth. It was his main hobby.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I would have liked Thanos to not even have fired a shot and just let Thor hit him in the chest. At that point he’s omnipotent so it would have been a big mind fuck for Thor to think he got the jump on him all the while any physical attack is worthless.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I also don’t mind too much that stormbreaker withstood some of the gauntlet power. Hell, even starks armor took a bit of the power stones shot.

 

[ufcfan4]

We'll have to agree to disagree. It looked to me as though Thanos eat a heavy shot, almost got KTFO - the scene where he's talking to Gamora as a child shows just how badly shaken he was - and somehow managed to grind out a win. Thanos wouldn't have risked his plan by allowing Thor to do that kind of damage to him just to torture the Asgardian.

Thanos is a sadistic bastard, but he's not stupid. Toying with Quill and the Guardians was one thing; they're no threat to him. The Strongest Avenger - sorry, Point Break - with a weapon forged specifically to kill him is a different matter entirely.

Very well said.

As you said, Thanos is not dumb. To me, that looked like a clear case of Thanos puts the mind stone in the gauntlet, reacts to the surge of power, quickly gets hit by Thor’s lightning and then tries to ward off the fast moving axe but gets hit just the same. I can’t see him having allowed that to happen just to prove a point. For all he knew that shit was coming for his head, he basically was damn sure looking to protect himself.

When he does the snap, he’s struggling to breathe, barely able to muster the words. While he definitely does taunt Thor with the “You should have aimed for the head,” even gives a little smile after that, I think he basically lucked out that he didn’t get one shot killed and that he had the seconds necessary to pull off his plan.

 

[AgentSmecker]

Thanos saying "you should have gone for the head" just before snapping his fingers leads me to believe that he acknowledges Thor could have killed him so it doesn't seem to me that he let him land that shot just to fuck with him.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Thanos was looking shook in the soul realm because he had no idea what had just happened. His goal was to obtain the stones and wipe out life, but at no point did he imply he knew what would happen when he did it. He stated what he wanted to happen, and even as it was we saw him trying to settle himself into it. It was a whole new world for Thanos.



How does he know Hulk isn't a threat to him? Why would he allow Hulk to get shots in when he knew nothing about Hulk? For all he knew, Hulk had adamantium swords in his arms and one solid punch could've included being decapitated. But he still let Hulk feel like he had victory before taking it away from him.

I'd meet you in the middle and say Thanos didn't expect Thor and the weapon to be that strong, but in my eyes he was still letting Thor taste victory so he could take it away.

Let's say it played out in a prolonged back and forth fight, Thor seemingly out-fights him and plants StormBreaker in his chest. Would you assume Thanos didn't immediately snap his fingers because he was stupid, or because he wanted Thor to feel victory before taking it away? The answer would be much clearer if it played out like that, but condense the story-telling theme of that scene into the actual part in the movie, and the motivations are the same. Thanos wanted Thor to taste victory before pulling it out of his mouth. It was his main hobby.

You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you. I think you're reading too much into it and extrapolating some of Thanos' choices and actions to cover every interaction he has with the Avengers. Thanos does enjoy giving false hope and then taking it away. Especially the scene where he allows Quill to try and kill Gamora. That doesn't mean he does the same with every other character he meets. While he's a sadistic bastard, he's also capable of genuine respect towards those he regards as worthy opponents. He tells Stark,

"But you have my respect. And I hope they remember you".

The fight with the Hulk starts with Thanos, who's attention is on the Tesseract, being sucker-punched. Thanos then eats a few heavy shots before he can catch his breath. Once he does so, he curb stomps his opponent. He wasn't playing with the Hulk; it just took a few moments for him to counterattack. He's not only stronger than the Hulk, he's much more skilled, and it shows. Hulk is throwing sloppy haymakers. Thanos is filling the room with uppercuts. He's a trained, methodical fighter while Hulk is just a brawler.

When Thor is pushing Storm Breaker's blade deeper into Thanos' chest, it's obvious he's mortally wounded and in great pain. He wasn't faking it to give Thor false hope. It takes everything he has to complete his plan and snap his fingers. He teleports away after that because he needs time to heal himself. The meeting with young Gamorra was the fever dream of a near death experience.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Hemsworth may be one of the ones moving on, so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to be spoilered.

I won't be able to forgive Marvel if they kill off Thor instead of Hulk, unless they make him the absolute hero.

 

[ufcfan4]

You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you. I think you're reading too much into it and extrapolating some of Thanos' choices and actions to cover every interaction he has with the Avengers. Thanos does enjoy giving false hope and then taking it away. Especially the scene where he allows Quill to try and kill Gamora. That doesn't mean he does the same with every other character he meets. While he's a sadistic bastard, he's also capable of genuine respect towards those he regards as worthy opponents. He tells Stark,

"But you have my respect. And I hope they remember you".

The fight with the Hulk starts with Thanos, who's attention is on the Tesseract, being sucker-punched. Thanos then eats a few heavy shots before he can catch his breath. Once he does so, he curb stomps his opponent. He wasn't playing with the Hulk; it just took a few moments for him to counterattack. He's not only stronger than the Hulk, he's much more skilled, and it shows. Hulk is throwing sloppy haymakers. Thanos is filling the room with uppercuts. He's a trained, methodical fighter while Hulk is just a brawler.

When Thor is pushing Storm Breaker's blade deeper into Thanos' chest, it's obvious he's mortally wounded and in great pain. He wasn't faking it to give Thor false hope. It takes everything he has to complete his plan and snap his fingers. He teleports away after that because he needs time to heal himself. The meeting with young Gamorra was the fever dream of a near death experience.

That moment where Hulk is just unloading shots and Thanos isn’t fazed but then he powers Hulk’s hands off him and lands one shot that visibly stuns Hulk, that was some serious shit. Great way to put Thanos over.

 

[KnightTemplar]

That moment where Hulk is just unloading shots and Thanos isn’t fazed but then he powers Hulk’s hands off him and lands one shot that visibly stuns Hulk, that was some serious shit. Great way to put Thanos over.

It reminded me of the fight where Fedor's younger brother was facing a much bigger, more muscular and more aggressive opponent. He gets shoved into the ropes and eats some heavy shots. But he keeps calm, counterattacks with precision strikes and knocks the guy out in the first round.

 

[ufcfan4]

It reminded me of the fight where Fedor's younger brother was facing a much bigger, more muscular and more aggressive opponent. He gets shoved into the ropes and eats some heavy shots. But he keeps calm, counterattacks with precision strikes and knocks the guy out in the first round.

Yes! I kept trying to think of an mma fight that paralleled it. Ideal example.

 

[SSgt Dickweed]

It reminded me of the fight where Fedor's younger brother was facing a much bigger, more muscular and more aggressive opponent. He gets shoved into the ropes and eats some heavy shots. But he keeps calm, counterattacks with precision strikes and knocks the guy out in the first round.

Against James Thompson?

 

[ufcfan4]

It reminded me of the fight where Fedor's younger brother was facing a much bigger, more muscular and more aggressive opponent. He gets shoved into the ropes and eats some heavy shots. But he keeps calm, counterattacks with precision strikes and knocks the guy out in the first round.

BTW I just realized that Fedor is in the crosshairs of the Mir curse. If he becomes the guy to break it by beating Chael, then that’s one more accolade for him before retirement.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Against James Thompson?

I don't know, mate. It's been a long time since I watched that fight.

 

[AgentSmecker]

I don't know, mate. It's been a long time since I watched that fight.

Against James Thompson?

Definitely sounds like the James Thomson fight. Bloody hilarious fight, even Fedor has a bit of a giggle with his bro after that one. <Lmaoo>

 

[James T. Kirk]

Agree with you for sure with the one exception scene being with Gamora and quill where Thanos clearly got a kick out of fucking with both gamora’s and especially Starlord’s mind. Could have turned Peter’s laser to nothing at any moment but instead makes him and Gamora (even encourages it) go through the painful process of coming to terms with her dying and quill having to kill her only to then bail. And that’s not an example of letting the heroes think they won but of just giving false hope and Thanos being a sadistic mfer.

Otherwise, the other scenes our friend Exto described could be explained in other ways. For example, with Hulk it wasn’t letting him think he could win- it was just that he got blitzed and caught off guard but in seconds he thwarted Banners attack and then absolutely dummied him.

Agreed on that part.

Then honestly, I gotta say you simply weren't paying enough attention.

It was all but announced during the Hulk fight: he wanted Hulk to feel victory before he took it away from him. It was something he enjoyed, and he kept doing it. It probably stems from what happened on Titan. Probably a capable leader who felt he had a great solution, only to have it taken away from him at the last second. It's his means of revenge and what he was doing all movie long.

I mean even the scene with Gamora and the soul stone, he let Gamora believe his quest was over because he loved nothing, before telling her "I love you" by trading her life for the soul stone. Every single time he would secure a victory in the movie, he would first let his opponent think they had. Then he would take it away.

It was kind of the main theme of the character so I'm at a loss when understanding how anyone missed that. That was Thanos in a nutshell: making you believe you'd won before taking it all away.

You thought he was being sadistic with Gamora just before throwing her from the cliff?! He loved her, for christ's sake. If he hadn't loved her, he would never have gotten the soul stone.

 

[liljoe]

I would have liked Thanos to not even have fired a shot and just let Thor hit him in the chest. At that point he’s omnipotent so it would have been a big mind fuck for Thor to think he got the jump on him all the while any physical attack is worthless.

That would have been gangster as fuck!

"Come at me Thor "

 

[ufcfan4]

Agreed on that part.

You thought he was being sadistic with Gamora just before throwing her from the cliff?! He loved her, for christ's sake. If he hadn't loved her, he would never have gotten the soul stone.

Yeah Exto is arguing his case well with certain examples. But others just don't fit the pattern. That Gamora scene particularly does not. Gamora is amused that she thinks Thanos' quest was thwarted. She says she waited for years to see him fail and she was very satisfied with the notion that his failure had finally occurred. Thanos doesn't say a word there not because he wants her to think his quest has come to an end. He says nothing cause he's absolutely tore up inside that he has to do what he is about to do. Red Skull gives her the wake up call probably just to be a dick...

 

[Cojopi Extomino]

Very well said.

As you said, Thanos is not dumb. To me, that looked like a clear case of Thanos puts the mind stone in the gauntlet, reacts to the surge of power, quickly gets hit by Thor’s lightning and then tries to ward off the fast moving axe but gets hit just the same. I can’t see him having allowed that to happen just to prove a point. For all he knew that shit was coming for his head, he basically was damn sure looking to protect himself.

2 things driving my thought process on this particular point:

1. Thanos simply didn't need luck. He was a step ahead the entire time, and they made that very clear.

2. He was smart enough to know Thor wanted to watch him die. He wasn't gonna appear out of nowhere and kill him instantly, he was gonna make sure he got to look in Thanos's eyes as he died. Assuming Thanos was well aware of this isn't a leap for me, it's in keeping with his character. At every turn he was psychologically one step ahead of everyone. To me it was true until the end. So I don't think I'm making an assumption in saying Thanos knew Thor would still leave him the chance to snap.

When he does the snap, he’s struggling to breathe, barely able to muster the words. While he definitely does taunt Thor with the “You should have aimed for the head,” even gives a little smile after that, I think he basically lucked out that he didn’t get one shot killed and that he had the seconds necessary to pull off his plan.

I just don't see luck and Thanos going together. He didn't need it. The only time he seem surprised was when Quill pulled the trigger on Gamora.

Thanos saying "you should have gone for the head" just before snapping his fingers leads me to believe that he acknowledges Thor could have killed him so it doesn't seem to me that he let him land that shot just to fuck with him.

It was him saying "you should of killed me when you had the chance". He knew Thor wanted to kill him, but he knew just as much, Thor wanted to watch him die. Thor just destroyed his home for his people, and the second he thinks he's got them safe, Thanos appears and slaughters them all. Even in this sense the movie starts with Thanos taking victory from people right when they think they've secured it. Thor wasn't gonna respond with a quick killshot, and Thanos knew it.

You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you. I think you're reading too much into it and extrapolating some of Thanos' choices and actions to cover every interaction he has with the Avengers. Thanos does enjoy giving false hope and then taking it away. Especially the scene where he allows Quill to try and kill Gamora. That doesn't mean he does the same with every other character he meets. While he's a sadistic bastard, he's also capable of genuine respect towards those he regards as worthy opponents. He tells Stark,

I don't see how you can argue it wasn't a consistent theme in the movie. You can pretty much summarize Thanos as "the guy who gives you hope just to take it away". Every time he triumphs over a good guy, he gives them hope first.

"But you have my respect. And I hope they remember you".

The fight with the Hulk starts with Thanos, who's attention is on the Tesseract, being sucker-punched. Thanos then eats a few heavy shots before he can catch his breath. Once he does so, he curb stomps his opponent. He wasn't playing with the Hulk; it just took a few moments for him to counterattack.

Ok, what movie were you watching man? What do you think the point of Glaive saying "let him have his fun" was? He was very clearly toying with the Hulk.

He's not only stronger than the Hulk, he's much more skilled, and it shows. Hulk is throwing sloppy haymakers. Thanos is filling the room with uppercuts. He's a trained, methodical fighter while Hulk is just a brawler.

Thanos let's Hulk overpower him before grinning and overpowering him. If Thanos is that strong and that competent as a fighter, the encounter would've never got to that point unless Thanos was toying with him.

When Thor is pushing Storm Breaker's blade deeper into Thanos' chest, it's obvious he's mortally wounded and in great pain. He wasn't faking it to give Thor false hope.

I'm not saying he was faking it. He was very clearly mortally wounded. But he knew if Thor got to him, he'd try to hurt him badly first before killing him. And he was completely right.

It takes everything he has to complete his plan and snap his fingers.

But has time to crack a joke? Doesn't fit.

He teleports away after that because he needs time to heal himself. The meeting with young Gamorra was the fever dream of a near death experience.

This is much more of an assumption than any I've made. You could tell by his face he was in uncharted territory and was experiencing something he didn't expect for the first time in the movie. Him "teleporting off to heal himself" doesn't make much sense for a guy wielding the gaunlet. He could've made Stormbreaker fly out of his chest and up Thor's ass if he wanted to while simultaneously healing himself completely.

I just think it was a pretty clear theme in the movie and I'm confused at people missing it entirely.

Agreed on that part.

You thought he was being sadistic with Gamora just before throwing her from the cliff?! He loved her, for christ's sake. If he hadn't loved her, he would never have gotten the soul stone.

He could've tossed her right away. He let her realize what was happening before slowly dragging her to her death. To me the biggest sign of how misguided he was. His most sadistic act was ultimately how he told the only person he loved, that he did. He wanted her to know he loved her, right before murdering her. It was great insight into just how fucked up he is.