Movies AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY (Fourth Teaser Trailer Officially Released; post #766)

[GearSolidMetal]

This is not 2006, such firewalls might not work.

Maybe... maybe not.

Internally Disney knows the reasons why so many of their movies have flopped since Endgame and 'the pandemic' excuse expired after No Way Home made $2 Billion.

The days that 'meh' releases starring Antman or Aquaman making $1 Billion are over, and one of the reasons is objectionable social politics being promoted within movies audiences paid good money to see... hopefully are over.. or else it'll give the YouTube critics ammunition to blast them.

And with Critical Drinker now having 2+ million subscribers, that is a factor.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Robert Downey Jr. as Dr Doom....wtf?! lol

Now there milking it like there is no tomorrow.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Maybe... maybe not.

Internally Disney knows the reasons why so many of their movies have flopped since Endgame and 'the pandemic' excuse expired after No Way Home made $2 Billion.

The days that 'meh' releases starring Antman or Aquaman making $1 Billion are over, and one of the reasons is objectionable social politics being promoted within movies audiences paid good money to see... hopefully are over.. or else it'll give the YouTube critics ammunition to blast them.

And with Critical Drinker now having 2+ million subscribers, that is a factor.

It could work for like one show to be cringe if it is aimed at teens outside of MCU continuity and animated, but i doubt they can have like 4 up their ass progy prog shows at the same time and not hurt the brand.

Internally they should know they wrecked Star Wars and will not have a movie in theatres for like 7 years. I do not see the panic there. I should.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It could work for like one show to be cringe if it is aimed at teens outside of MCU continuity and animated, but i doubt they can have like 4 up their ass progy prog shows at the same time and not hurt the brand.

Basically no one cares about any MCU shows.
The last one people cared about was Book Of Bobba Fett, and that mostly killed the appeal... and Mandolorian Season 3.

Internally they should know they wrecked Star Wars and will not have a movie in theatres for like 7 years. I do not see the panic there. I should.

Kathleen Kennedy apparently is incapable of being fired, no matter how much she destroys Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Anyway, lets get back to the Avengers & overall MCU discussion.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Basically no one cares about any MCU shows.
The last one people cared about was Book Of Bobba Fett, and that mostly killed the appeal... and Mandolorian Season 3.


Kathleen Kennedy apparently is incapable of being fired, no matter how much she destroys Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

Loki had a budget and 2 seasons. I enjoyed one but bailed because i am sure they would make me hate it. You make it sound like they are some micro budget animated stuff for 8 year olds.

If KK cannot be fired i cannot trust leadership to make the tough calls.

Anyway, lets get back to the Avengers & overall MCU discussion.

The messing up SW is sadly relevant for the MCU.

 

[KnightTemplar]

@KnightTemplar Doom finally is in the MCU!

@Dragonlordxxxxx I don't know if I want to laugh, cry or cum in my pants. Or maybe all three. Simultaneously.

This will either be the best thing the MCU has ever done, or the worst. There's no middle ground here.

I suspect that RDJ might be playing a Multiversal Variant of Doom, and the, "real" MCU Doom will be cast later.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

My guess would be that Downey Jnr will be playing some kind of alternate Tony Stark(even if he's not called that) who becomes Doom, perhaps also somehow usurping Kang's role? I spose those two things could potentially be combined?

Even if it does mean significant shifts to Doom I do think this casting probably means the MCU will take the role seriously and not use it as a one and done generic villian, Downy Jnr seems happy to mostly do MCU films as his big roles.

The Russo's are also very good as taking plots which look overly complex and making them work well.

@Dragonlordxxxxx I don't know if I want to laugh, cry or cum in my pants. Or maybe all three. Simultaneously.

This will either be the best thing the MCU has ever done, or the worst. There's no middle ground here.

I suspect that RDJ might be playing a Multiversal Variant of Doom, and the, "real" Doom will be cast later.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking also that RDJ is playing a Tony Stark variant that becomes that alternate universe's Doctor Doom. And after RDJ's two-movie stint, they can still introduce the real 616 Doom in a few years, same with what happened with the Mandarin.

 

[Adamant]

RDJ as Dr. Doom? I'm happy he's back....but as Dr. Doom??

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Deleted member 110072]

All of this looks like Disney has learned from ALOT of their mistakes from Phase 4.

*Many of the lesser-known characters like Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, & The Eternals mainstream audiences have little to no interest in.

*The MCU should have TWO major movies per year, possibly a popular lesser-known third that audiences know that was introduced in the major movie - Like how Black Panther was introduced in Civil War.

*I can't be sure, but I am hopeful that Disney has learned their lesson about shoving leftist social issues & DEI down audiences throats... in their major releases... and will probably keep it regulated to their Disney+ series.

I don't think "lesser known" is the issue, nobody had heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy before those films and honestly characters like Antman were hardly household names either. I think the issue is really the cast has not been very inspired and neither have the films.

I think the issue really was a lot of these films were "autopilot" productions, there wasn't really anyone with any great inspiration involved in making them, even directors who'd done quality work before really the films were nothing like it, just vague MCU formula.

People like The Russo's and James Gunn showed more than that and really helped to make the franchise into something more inspired.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Can one of you comic book nerds tell me if there was any relation or variant between Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom or is this completely randomm

Beyond both Victor and Tony being uber-geniuses who invented and wear incredibly powerful armour, there's not much direct connection. In fact, Doom invented his mask and suit while studying in a hidden monastry with Tibetan Monks. And since Dr Doom debuted a few months before Iron Man, it means he was actually the first to build Powered Armour,

"In a cave! From a box of scraps!"

Victor did try to redeem himself by taking Tony Stark's place and becoming the Infamous Iron Man at one point.

Amusingly, Doom is possibly the only Marvel character even more arrogant than Tony Stark, although given his incredible skills, powers and victories, his massive ego is somewhat justified. Tony can at least match Doom in Robotics and associated fields, but he has next to no knowledge of Magic, while Doom is second only to Dr Strange in that field.

And while Tony is a decent fighter at best without his Suit, Doom is a Master of the Martial Arts. At one point a ridiculously powerful enemy strips Doom naked and transports him millions of years into the past. Doom is attacked by a Prehistoric, "Lion". Victor kills it with a single punch from his bare hand. Then eats it, and uses the hide, bones etc to make a primitive version of his mask and armour.

Doom is what you get when you take Batman With Prep Time as your baseline for a character. And then Turn the Knobs up to 11.

 

[Magooglie]

I remember joking that RDJ should play Doom and here we are.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I don't think "lesser known" is the issue, nobody had heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy before those films and honestly characters like Antman were hardly household names either. I think the issue is really the cast has not been very inspired and neither have the films.

I think the issue really was a lot of these films were "autopilot" productions, there wasn't really anyone with any great inspiration involved in making them, even directors who'd done quality work before really the films were nothing like it, just vague MCU formula.

People like The Russo's and James Gunn showed more than that and really helped to make the franchise into something more inspired.

You think a director can have a personal touch on a late phase MCU film...

There is a reason they pick guys / girls who did not direct large scale stuff.

 

[toasty]

would it be the worst thing in the world if they just did an hour and a half fun popcorn munching avengers movie introducing the new team against a silly but powerful and fun villain or bunch of villains instead of it having to be a continuity laced 6 films already planned strategy? Give me one of these and a lot of punch em up and one liner set pieces and then we can start to worry about "Phase 10 or 15" planning?

Give me a relaxing fun matchup versus any of these "minor" villains and I'm in...

 

[Excelsior]

@Dragonlordxxxxx I don't know if I want to laugh, cry or cum in my pants. Or maybe all three. Simultaneously.

This will either be the best thing the MCU has ever done, or the worst. There's no middle ground here.

I suspect that RDJ might be playing a Multiversal Variant of Doom, and the, "real" MCU Doom will be cast later.

I disagree. I think "mid" is exactly what these movies will be. The fact that they're relying on stunt casting shows that they lack confidence in their ability to make a gripping movie. Plus, like you said, this will all be discarded and made irrelevant when the FF and Doom are brought into the rebooted MCU post Secret Wars. I'd much rather them cast a solid actor to play the role for the next 5 or so years.

As far as the Russo brothers, I still think Winter Soldier is the best Marvel movie when you judge it by what makes a "good" movie. The script is tight, the action is believable, the villain is relatable (and right, from my point of view, I'm on Team Hydra for that one), the characters are well written and acted. No other Marvel movie has come close. They hit hard with Infinity War, too, but shit the bed with Endgame.

 

[Protectandserve]

I really don’t know how to feel about this. If he’s a variant that may work. I have faith in RDJ though. Dude can put in serious work when he wants to.

I still feel there were a few others who could have pulled off Doom as well but it’s honestly all gonna be on how he’s written. He needs to be the great threat level he is in the comics and needs to last several movies not just a one and done. If they squander Doom as a one and done villain with no build up and no stakes it won’t matter who’s playing him.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Hopefully the Russos can go back and fix everything they fucked up with Endgame like Larry David did with the Seinfeld finale

I was thinking about the Seinfeld finale when the Deadpool and Wolverine credits started to roll and that Green Day song came on.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Was hoping Henry Cavill would be Doom