Autistic Teen Found Guilty of ‘Hate Crime’ for Asking Police Officer’s Sex; Autism Group Condemns It

[Ruprecht]

You can argue how functional or handicapped he is, but the fact that he was diagnosed with Asperger's means he's not as functional and socially equipped as someone who isn't. Not to be a dick, but you're a IT specialist, not a authority on autism regardless of how many people on the spectrum you've encountered, unless you have worked directly with them for an extended period of time it's a moot point. I have 2 friends and a former employee with autistic children, it doesn't mean that I am automatically informed.

I'm not equating that particular kid with an 8 year old, that's a separate question, and a valid one.

Yes the judge being "woke" is my personal opinion based on the facts that we know. The guy ruled against someone with a diagnosed medical condition most probably because he was afraid of the backlash from SJW's.

Regardless of where this kid is on the spectrum, charging him with a hate crime or Public Order Offence and fining him is preposterous, in no way, shape or form is it an even playing field as far as this kid is concerned.

This is entirely your own suppositions with no basis in any fact. Not even the poorly reported facts about this case.
I'll leave you to it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think that unhealthy approach of spewing on the soap box of social media is because we feel the need to talk about it but don't have any real opportunities to do so, especially with the people we trust and respect. We should put more prestige on those who can talk about it and remain civil while still getting somewhere, it's a skill that takes work and it will atrophy without practice.

There was great diversity and growth in religion during the time of the Mongol Empire because they fostered debate and respected those who engaged. A polarizing topic, but one that benefited from discussion as opposed to radicalization and dogma.

I think its because in any one real life social circle you'll only find so many people who actually care about politics so its hard to find someone who can keep up with you irl.

Whereas on social media and the internet there's an endless pool of people who are endlessly passionate about politics. I used to be the annoying guy in my friend circle who insisted on talking politics, its only recently that some of my friends have become interested enough to bring it up themselves to me.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Not really, there are so many real reason why the UK is fucked lol. The idea that people shouldn't be able to just say whatever they want with no consequence isn't one.

But I do wanna understand where you come from so in your opinion if someone was dropping the n bomb on a black man who's doing fuck all do you think that's ok?

Urgh. And now he brings out the race card. What a boring douche.

 

[Fedorable]

I can relate. I am often asked if I am a man or a super man. Sometimes even Superman.

 

[Broke Lester]

This is entirely your own suppositions with no basis in any fact. Not even the poorly reported facts about this case.
I'll leave you to it.

How do you figure? Fact is this kid was charged and fined. Fact is this kid was medically diagnosed with Asperger's. Fact is, as far as this kid is concerned, it's not an even playing field regardless of where he is on the spectrum. Just because this kid isn't drooling and acting out uncontrollably doesn't mean that he understands that the officer was offended or what he asked was offensive.

 

[Maaj19]

Are you reading what I’m saying or no. I do not believe the law or government has the authority to make arrests or become the speech police PERIOD. The system for punishment for being an asshole works just fine as it is. If you’re conflating context matters I will grant you this that if some asshole is shouting obscenities at a person and following them that’s harassment and that’s not the same thing.

I read what you said - that social persecution is enough. I disagree tho - no one should have to endure abuse through words online or in person and criminal prosecution (the manner of which is a separate issue) is appropriate to stop behaviour that we as a society should not be ok with

Also harassment has to more than one incident, following someone around in one event wouldn't be harassment but doing it several times would be.

 

[Maaj19]

Urgh. And now he brings out the race card. What a boring douche.

It was an example. I could use any other example - a white person facing racism, a gay person facing homophobia or anything in between. If you don't have anything to contribute don't reply to my post my calling me a douche mate. Have a lovely weekend.

 

[Ruprecht]

How do you figure? Fact is this kid was charged and fined. Fact is this kid was medically diagnosed with Asperger's. Fact is, as far as this kid is concerned, it's not an even playing field regardless of where he is on the spectrum. Just because this kid isn't drooling and acting out uncontrollably doesn't mean that he understands that the officer was offended or what he asked was offensive.

That was his defence. The court ruled against him. That's all we know., and that's assuming that's even being reported correctly. We don't have the decision, so we can't say why the Judge didn't find the defence credible. Everything else you posted you've made up. You flat out assumed he didn't mean to be offensive because of his diminished social capacity. That's in no way a justifiable assumption. Let alone your narrative about "SJWs" and "woke judges".
The articles haven't even specified the charge, I'm left to assume it was a public order offence due to the size of the fine and the nature of the offence (and the description, "using abusive or insulting words to cause harassment").
As your posts prove, the narrative of this story has a life completely independent of any reliance on facts.
The source in the OP is self admitted propaganda.

 

[SRN]

Ok so it looks like OP was missing a few details.

This is Officer Freel

Looks like a dude to me.

And here's an interview of him from 2018
Transgender officer Connor Freel shares experiences to help others


Here's the autistic fella

Declan Armstrong, 19, saw PSCO Connor Freel when he was on duty in Mold, North Wales on October 16 last year. When the officer looked over at him, he repeated the comment ‘very loudly’, Rhian Jackson, prosecuting, said.

In a statement which Ms Jackson read to the court, Mr Freel said he knew by putting himself in the public eye he may be open to repercussions.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/29/tran...e-teen-shouted-boy-girl-12148439/?ito=cbshare

Officer Transcop was out as a trans and even appeared on the media to discuss it. Then this big dude recognized him and decided to be a jerk, or just a socially awkward autistic jerk, and now Transcop is traumatized. FUCK OFF! If you want to parade yourself as the poster boy for diversity than you have to deal with the possible consequences. Maybe next time don't reveal personal things about you, specially when you pass as a dude ffs! What an imbecile. Also, grow a pair and stop whining. You're a motherfucking cop!

 

[Ruprecht]

Ok so it looks like OP was missing a few details.

This is Officer Freel

Looks like a dude to me.

And here's an interview of him from 2018
Transgender officer Connor Freel shares experiences to help others


Here's the autistic fella

Declan Armstrong, 19, saw PSCO Connor Freel when he was on duty in Mold, North Wales on October 16 last year. When the officer looked over at him, he repeated the comment ‘very loudly’, Rhian Jackson, prosecuting, said.

In a statement which Ms Jackson read to the court, Mr Freel said he knew by putting himself in the public eye he may be open to repercussions.

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/29/tran...e-teen-shouted-boy-girl-12148439/?ito=cbshare

Officer Transcop was out as a trans and even appeared on the media to discuss it. Then this big dude recognized him and decided to be a jerk, or just a socially awkward autistic jerk, and now Transcop is traumatized. FUCK OFF! If you want to parade yourself as the poster boy for diversity than you have to deal with the possible consequences. Maybe next time don't reveal personal things about you, specially when you pass as a dude ffs! What an imbecile. Also, grow a pair and stop whining. You're a motherfucking cop!

At least that's a slightly better article (I read several others that were almost as bad as the article in the OP). It confirms he was charged with a public order offence, and actually provides the detail that Armstrong continued to claim he never made the comments. If that's accurate it would certainly be a reason for the Judge to dismiss the defence's claims he didn't mean to give offence.

Edit: It also points out Freel is a PCSO and not a regular cop.

 

[Broke Lester]

That was his defence. The court ruled against him. That's all we know., and that's assuming that's even being reported correctly. We don't have the decision, so we can't say why the Judge didn't find the defence credible. Everything else you posted you've made up. You flat out assumed he didn't mean to be offensive because of his diminished social capacity. That's in no way a justifiable assumption. Let alone your narrative about "SJWs" and "woke judges".
The articles haven't even specified the charge, I'm left to assume it was a public order offence due to the size of the fine and the nature of the offence (and the description, "using abusive or insulting words to cause harassment").
As your posts prove, the narrative of this story has a life completely independent of any reliance on facts.
The source in the OP is self admitted propaganda.

The reporting on this is inconsistent.
The differences in narrative hinge on whether the autistic 19 year old was genuinely confused, given that he wasn't actually asking anyone the question but just shouting it out.

Are these the actions of someone who is playing with a full deck?

 

[Ruprecht]

Are these the actions of someone who is playing with a full deck?

Sure. Not everyone shouting insults at cops is socially handicapped or otherwise disabled.

 

[Broke Lester]

Sure. Not everyone shouting insults at cops is socially handicapped or otherwise disabled.

Holy shit, War DosAnjos must of high-jacked Ruprecht's account is what I'm thinking right now.

However in this particular instance the kid actually was socially handicapped, as diagnosed by a professional. He wasn't shouting insults, he was asking if the cop is male or female, a valid question given the circumstances. If his intention was to actually offend, it's more likely, that he would walk right up to the cop and ask face to face, most likely with a stupid smirk on his face.

 

[Ruprecht]

Holy shit, War DosAnjos must of high-jacked Ruprecht's account is what I'm thinking right now.

However in this particular instance the kid actually was socially handicapped, as diagnosed by a professional. He wasn't shouting insults, he was asking if the cop is male or female, a valid question given the circumstances. If his intention was to actually offend, it's more likely, that he would walk right up to the cop and ask face to face, most likely with a stupid smirk on his face.

WarDosAnjos was a troll. I'm just pointing out how you jump to conclusions based entirely on your personal bias with no regard for any factual support.

A valid question of whom? If he was shouting it at the cop because he knows Freel is transgender obviously that's deliberate harassment. If the Metro article is accurate it seems there were plenty of witnesses and he continued to deny making the comments. That sort of sinks his own defence's argument of, "He didn't realise it was offensive". Apparently they also said he suffers from anxiety, depression and is a household carer for the man he considers a father figure. So at least the public defenders are doing their job.

...but sure, keep blaming "woke judges" and "sjws".

 

[trac209]

War DosAnjos was a troll. I'm just pointing out how you jump to conclusions based entirely on your personal bias with no regard for any factual support.

A valid question of whom? If he was shouting it at the cop because he knows Freel is transgender obviously that's deliberate harassment. If the Metro article is accurate it seems there were plenty of witnesses and he continued to deny making the comments. That sort of sinks his own defence's argument of, "He didn't realise it was offensive". Apparently they also said he suffers from anxiety, depression and is a household carer for the man he considers a father figure. So at least the public defenders are doing their job.

...but sure, keep blaming "woke judges" and "sjws".

Was he banned or something? He was definitely the ultimate troll.

 

[Ruprecht]

Was he banned or something? He was definitely the ultimate troll.

Yeah, he was temp banned for accumulated points for thread derailing and trolling, but I thought we might as well make it permanent. WarDosAmigos was stopped at the gate.

 

[ElKarlo]

I can understand the argument that words are just words but words are dangerous given the right social circumstances and a talented orator. One a much smaller, general scale tho does anyone deserve to have offensive and hurtful things said to them all the time? Once we let it slide for trans people what's to stop it from happening to people who are a certain skin colour or follow a certain religion?

But thays what people do. People say things about others. To make that a crime is pretty out there. It's also a crime for people of certain political views. So it can become a tool of enforcement. People shouldn't be treated as fragile. They can stand some name calling. It won't kill them or even traumatize them. Violence or the threat of violence is traumatizing

 

[Scerpi]

Glad to see the UK has solved every other crime so they can focus on autistic terrorists and their hate speech.

No way,.. these crimes are much more sinister than gang rape of underage girls

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...gnored-sex-abuse-grooming-gangs-30-years.html

 

[Broke Lester]

War DosAnjos was a troll. I'm just pointing out how you jump to conclusions based entirely on your personal bias with no regard for any factual support.

A valid question of whom? If he was shouting it at the cop because he knows Freel is transgender obviously that's deliberate harassment. If the Metro article is accurate it seems there were plenty of witnesses and he continued to deny making the comments. That sort of sinks his own defence's argument of, "He didn't realise it was offensive". Apparently they also said he suffers from anxiety, depression and is a household carer for the man he considers a father figure. So at least the public defenders are doing their job.

...but sure, keep blaming "woke judges" and "sjws".

He may have known that the cop is transgender( a word he has overheard), but does he necessarily know exactly what a transgender is? If he knew just exactly what transgenders are, he would of known it's like handling a live bomb, you never know when and why they are offended. Like most people he would've just kept his mouth shut and pretend like that person isn't even there, cause who knows what nonsense someone will be accused of on any given day.

Just because he denied making the comments doesn't mean he realized that they were offensive. Very few people who are accused of a crime rarely just acknowledge it.

Great, and it just gets better, so he has depression and anxiety along with Aspergers but somehow he was found fit to be charged and fined. Worst case scenario the kid should of been educated in the matter, not punished.

Who else would I blame? Who are are the ones that put the transgenders at the top of the victim Olympics? The SJW's, you know, the ones who want to destroy a person's livelihood and life in general because someone disagrees with them. Oh my 6 year old told me he feels like a girl, yes let's pump him full of hormones and preform irreversible surgery so I can be woke and in style for the on-line community. Talk about pawning your own child.

This past summer I went out to price a job,we walked around the property and while measuring the driveway, the homeowners son(female to male transgender) came out said a few words to his father and jumped in his car and left. I knew right away he was a trans, you can tell from the size of his hands, feet, position of the hips, the overall bone structure and his voice was higher than my 14 year old son. Despite the hairy legs and sporadic facial hair, I knew he was a trans. Right then and there, I knew I wasn't going to accept this job, so I purposefully priced it at 1.5 times the usual price and got myself off the hook. I didn't want the job, not because he was a trans, but because of fear that one of my employees might say something offensive and at that point it wasn't going to be an issue that someone said something stupid but it would become an issue that ABC concrete( not actual company name) is a racist company and I would be put through the ringer and be destroyed online. It's a legitimate fear.

Judges are the ones who rule in favour of pumping 10 year olds full of hormones at the advice of some quack despite it being against the parents wishes. So what happens when the judge makes an incorrect ruling? Can the change just be undone and all is well or do these individuals, who at the age of 10, couldn't make a reasonable judgement suffer with the consequences of those decisions. Do you really think these judges aren't caving in to the wishes of the internet mob in the interest of self preservation? Who do you feel is to blame for this nonsense?

Yes, I know exactly what War Dos Anjos was. If I didn't honestly view you as one of the most respectable, reasonable and logical posters in this forum, I wouldn't be the least bit upset. Really you think the public defenders are doing their job by putting the ego of a trans attention whore above the ramblings of a mentally challenged person.

 

[Ruprecht]

He may have known that the cop is transgender( a word he has overheard), but does he necessarily know exactly what a transgender is? If he knew just exactly what transgenders are, he would of known it's like handling a live bomb, you never know when and why they are offended. Like most people he would've just kept his mouth shut and pretend like that person isn't even there, cause who knows what nonsense someone will be accused of on any given day.

Just because he denied making the comments doesn't mean he realized that they were offensive. Very few people who are accused of a crime rarely just acknowledge it.

Great, and it just gets better, so he has depression and anxiety along with Aspergers but somehow he was found fit to be charged and fined. Worst case scenario the kid should of been educated in the matter, not punished.

Who else would I blame? Who are are the ones that put the transgenders at the top of the victim Olympics? The SJW's, you know, the ones who want to destroy a person's livelihood and life in general because someone disagrees with them. Oh my 6 year old told me he feels like a girl, yes let's pump him full of hormones and preform irreversible surgery so I can be woke and in style for the on-line community. Talk about pawning your own child.

This past summer I went out to price a job,we walked around the property and while measuring the driveway, the homeowners son(female to male transgender) came out said a few words to his father and jumped in his car and left. I knew right away he was a trans, you can tell from the size of his hands, feet, position of the hips, the overall bone structure and his voice was higher than my 14 year old son. Despite the hairy legs and sporadic facial hair, I knew he was a trans. Right then and there, I knew I wasn't going to accept this job, so I purposefully priced it at 1.5 times the usual price and got myself off the hook. I didn't want the job, not because he was a trans, but because of fear that one of my employees might say something offensive and at that point it wasn't going to be an issue that someone said something stupid but it would become an issue that ABC concrete( not actual company name) is a racist company and I would be put through the ringer and be destroyed online. It's a legitimate fear.

Judges are the ones who rule in favour of pumping 10 year olds full of hormones at the advice of some quack despite it being against the parents wishes. So what happens when the judge makes an incorrect ruling? Can the change just be undone and all is well or do these individuals, who at the age of 10, couldn't make a reasonable judgement suffer with the consequences of those decisions. Do you really think these judges aren't caving in to the wishes of the internet mob in the interest of self preservation? Who do you feel is to blame for this nonsense?

Yes, I know exactly what War Dos Anjos was. If I didn't honestly view you as one of the most respectable, reasonable and logical posters in this forum, I wouldn't be the least bit upset. Really you think the public defenders are doing their job by putting the ego of a trans attention whore above the ramblings of a mentally challenged person.

You're assuming that this 19 year old is too mentally retarded to know what a transexual or transgender is because he has aspergers. That's not a justified assumption.
This judge does not appear to be any sort of "trans activist". You're simply once again jumping to unjustified assumptions.
If anything his prior spotlighted cases simply show that he will support the police (including in a controversial case against an amputee).
You're also failing to understand the context and history of public order offences in the UK. They are certainly controversial, but they aren't intrinsically a sexual identity politics issue (they were passed in 1986). It's a summary offence with a maximum fine of 1000 pounds.
I am not defending "trans activism", I am attacking people that cut and paste bullshit online and the others that mindlessly follow their narratives without fact checking. I largely don't care about transexuals, because to the best of knowledge I've only ever encountered any twice. It's just more identity politics.
Of course the public defender will do their best to exonerate their client, and make the judge as sympathetic to their plight as possible, that's their job. The judge did not find their defence credible, presumably based on the accused's own testimony, denial of having made the statement and the witness accounts.
We can't say for certain though, because we don't actually have that information or indeed the information on the prosecution's case. I certainly won't be making up stories to fill in the gaps in information presented (inconsistently) in order to satisfy some sort of political perspective.