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It's more of people being outraged that France, our OG ally since forever, has withdrawn their ambassador for the first time in 240 something years. But Trump doesn't work here fat.
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International Australia to Buy Nuclear Attack Submarine from US; France Furious Over Betrayal
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Sounds like sour grapes to me. But not sure of the details of the deal and whether it was a shady pull out.
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To be fair one of the biggest issues was reconfiguring French nuclear subs to diesel electric, then we go ask someone else for nuke subs.
But this seems bigger than the contract dispute.
Calling ambassadors is a huge step.
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That's a very one sided way of looking at it.. And keep in mind, the Taliban you are referring to is about a 90% turn over rate due to the originals being dead. But yes the NAME carries on.
"taken"?? More like they strolled upon an abanndoned bases. Or the ANA gave them up without a fight.
And?? It's not like they were going to be able to take this stuff while the US was there. And will women be treated like shit again pre-2001 style? YES. And??
"rekt"???? They all ran off or surrendered without a fight. And yes... many of us KNEW where the weapons would ended up. Sadly the high ranking generals (and Biden) refused to believe it. But ALLLLL that doesn't mean they weren't capable to do what they were taught. Now they AND their women will suffer for it.
"BUT BUT vaccum vaccum BUT BUT.... " Welcome to the middle east. And no they are not stronger than before. They height of terrorist strength was ISIS regular a couple months after taking Mosul in 2013.
It was a planned deal. No "begging" involved. Were they going to break a deal once there were hardly ANY military there? Of course. Welcome to terrorism. Who ran with what in between what?? Speak for yourself or someone else lamb.
Oh and your whole post just screams "I NEVER SERVED, NEVER BEEN THERE, ALL INFO COMES FROM CNN".
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Nothing new with our government wasting money.
Just two weeks before France complained of being “stabbed in the back”, two senior French ministers met with their Australian counterparts, Marise Payne and Peter Dutton, for what was meant to be a sign of ever-strengthening ties between the two countries.
The joint statement they issued now seems extraordinary, given the events that followed. “Both sides committed to deepen defence industry cooperation and enhance their capability edge in the region,” they said. “Ministers underlined the importance of the future submarine program.”
The first step, from the Australian government’s perspective, was to find out whether another option was feasible. Morrison is not believed to have taken it up at a political level with the US while Donald Trump was still president and while Australia was still doing its homework.
But Morrison made a series of personnel changes that would allow him to make a U-turn, amid growing concerns about China’s assertiveness and whether the project would provide the capability the Australian government believed it needed.
Early this year, Morrison quietly set up a new cabinet subcommittee focused on naval shipbuilding, with himself as chair. This committee was created to feed advice back to the national security committee. Its remit included tracking whether the projects such as the future submarines were on track to deliver against agreed outcomes.
One of the sources of France’s irritation with what transpired this week, is that it has experience in nuclear submarine construction but was designing diesel-electric submarines based on the Australian government’s original specifications.
The Australian version of the story is that the French nuclear-powered option requires complex work midway through the life of the submarine, meaning it would have required a more advanced domestic nuclear industry. The gamechanger was the US and UK willingness to share their technology.
Dutton defended the government’s decision on Friday, saying in Washington that Australia “looked at what options were available to us” and “the French have a version which was not superior to that operated by the United States and the United Kingdom”.
“In the end the decision that we have made is based on what is in the best interests of our national security and the prevailing security and peace within the Indo-Pacific,” Dutton said.
The failed acquisition has burned up more than $2.4bn and is likely to cost hundreds of millions of dollars in contract break fees. There remain many unanswered questions about the new plan to build at least eight nuclear-powered submarines in Adelaide, but the first ones likely won’t be in the water until 2040 – an eternity in a region that the Australian government sees as becoming increasingly contested.
We literally asked them to build non nuclear... then went ... eh.. you know what... we'll buy em off usa.
Just two weeks before France complained of being “stabbed in the back”, two senior French ministers met with their Australian counterparts, Marise Payne and Peter Dutton, for what was meant to be a sign of ever-strengthening ties between the two countries.
The joint statement they issued now seems extraordinary, given the events that followed. “Both sides committed to deepen defence industry cooperation and enhance their capability edge in the region,” they said. “Ministers underlined the importance of the future submarine program.”
The first step, from the Australian government’s perspective, was to find out whether another option was feasible. Morrison is not believed to have taken it up at a political level with the US while Donald Trump was still president and while Australia was still doing its homework.
But Morrison made a series of personnel changes that would allow him to make a U-turn, amid growing concerns about China’s assertiveness and whether the project would provide the capability the Australian government believed it needed.
Early this year, Morrison quietly set up a new cabinet subcommittee focused on naval shipbuilding, with himself as chair. This committee was created to feed advice back to the national security committee. Its remit included tracking whether the projects such as the future submarines were on track to deliver against agreed outcomes.
One of the sources of France’s irritation with what transpired this week, is that it has experience in nuclear submarine construction but was designing diesel-electric submarines based on the Australian government’s original specifications.
The Australian version of the story is that the French nuclear-powered option requires complex work midway through the life of the submarine, meaning it would have required a more advanced domestic nuclear industry. The gamechanger was the US and UK willingness to share their technology.
Dutton defended the government’s decision on Friday, saying in Washington that Australia “looked at what options were available to us” and “the French have a version which was not superior to that operated by the United States and the United Kingdom”.
“In the end the decision that we have made is based on what is in the best interests of our national security and the prevailing security and peace within the Indo-Pacific,” Dutton said.
The failed acquisition has burned up more than $2.4bn and is likely to cost hundreds of millions of dollars in contract break fees. There remain many unanswered questions about the new plan to build at least eight nuclear-powered submarines in Adelaide, but the first ones likely won’t be in the water until 2040 – an eternity in a region that the Australian government sees as becoming increasingly contested.
We literally asked them to build non nuclear... then went ... eh.. you know what... we'll buy em off usa.
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Could have put than money into r&d and manufacturing computer chips.... but instead of creating a industry that would make us far more valuable to all our allies and boost our economy in so many different ways... we go with feeding the American military industry...
What a joke
What a joke
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It does seem like we won't get any significant nuclear infrastructure despite the subs being built here, but they did mention an agreement for technology transfer and cooperation on AI and quantum computing.
At the moment all we've got is pissed off French, pissed off Chinese and a plan to make a plan.
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Yeah... sadly I think we'll be the guinea pigs for a lot of the uses of ai which doesn't install me with confidence at all.
https://theconversation.com/qld-pol...ens-beware-the-unintended-consequences-167976
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-spy-on-cybercrime-suspects-given-green-light
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/controv...-borders/5451e07c-47c4-41bd-a9b1-4a48b8e8aefc
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This booger eating idiot is going to give Woodrow Wilson a run for the worst President ever.
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I thought Brexit meant the UK was no longer relevant in the world? How are they out finagling the mighty EU?
Maybe France should figure out how to make themselves more relevant so they don't get cut out of deals like this.
Maybe France should figure out how to make themselves more relevant so they don't get cut out of deals like this.
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That's a lot of words for admitting that you accomplished nothing and ran. You can spin it anyway you want, but you retreated after 20 years of failing to pacify a group of primitive tribesmen.
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Automated proactive and reactive problem solving is just the development of computing, AI's been a computer science major for a long time.
Just another tool.
Of course if there's anyone left that actually cares about privacy, the burgeoning IoT will leave very little. Although you can certainly create it if you care enough.
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That's wild. I've never seen anyone posting negatively about this care about France's feelings before. Typically that is left to us bleeding heart types because it isn't very America First.
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genuine question- you are honestly bothered by the US letting Australia break an agreement with France to buy subs from US that will be better for our strategic interests in the region?
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It's an absolutely phenomenal development. <45>
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Honestly fuck France on this one. Giving elite subs to Australia pisses off China so I'm for it
