Crime Armed Venezuelan gang takes over apartment complexes in Aurora Colorado

[Hog-train]

Reagan granted amnesty for over 3 million illegals, it's certainly much easier to naturalize than to deport.

And deporting able bodied working age adults does not seem like the best idea when we're looking down the barrel of consistent demographic decline over the next several decades.

Thereby laying the seeds of the current problem we have now. Because the border is still wide open.

If you give zero penalty to illegally immigrate here and just naturalize everyone, then the people streaming in will not stop. What you are proposing is not possible nor sustainable.

 

[Rational Poster]

Thereby laying the seeds of the current problem we have now. Because the border is still wide open.

If you give zero penalty to illegally immigrate here and just naturalize everyone, then the people streaming in will not stop. What you are proposing is not possible or sustainable.

I don't think it's a problem that people want to come to America.

I think it would be a problem if people stopped wanting to come to America.

 

[Hog-train]

I don't think it's a problem that people want to come to America.

I think it would be a problem if people stopped wanting to come to America.

The problem is not the desire to come. It's the everybody wants to come illegally.

What is the deterrent to not illegally immigrating here then?

 

[Rational Poster]

The problem is not the desire to come. It's the everybody wants to come illegally.

What is the deterrent to not illegally immigrating here then?

The legal process should just be easier, the people don't want to come illegally, the line is just decades long.

There's literal cannibalism going on in Haiti, how long would you stick around to see if your face gets eaten?

 

[Hog-train]

The legal process should just be easier, the people don't want to come illegally, the line is just decades long.

There's literal cannibalism going on in Haiti, how long would you stick around to see if your face gets eaten?

You're doing an appeals to emotion.

I'm talking about logistics here. You want to give all 14 million here a path to citizenship.

OK that will:

1. Take decades to accomplish.
2. Will not stem the tide of NEW people streaming across the border illegally. In fact, it will only turbo charge it if no one gets deported. They literally have nothing to lose to illegally immigrate.

What you are advocating for is not logistically possible.

 

[Rational Poster]

You're doing an appeals to emotion.

I'm talking about logistics here. You want to give all 14 million here a path to citizenship.

OK that will:

1. Take decades to accomplish.
2. Will not stem the tide of NEW people streaming across the border illegally. In fact, it will only turbo charge it if no one gets deported. They literally have nothing to lose to illegally immigrate.

What you are advocating for is not logistically possible.

But removing 100 or 200 a week by plane is?

 

[Hog-train]

But removing 100 or 200 a week by plane is?

1. He's apparently deported about 8,000 already - so about 1,000 per day.

2. This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. How do you propose to stop the ever increasing tide of new people streaming across the border?

 

[Rational Poster]

1. He's apparently deported about 8,000 already - so about 1,000 per day.

2. This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. How do you propose to stop the ever increasing tide of new people streaming across the border?

1. That's wrong, even if that figure is true. He was sworn in on Jan 20th, that would be less than 450 per day. And as I pointed out previously, these are low hanging fruit deportations.

2. I don't think we need to stop it, I think we need to get better at managing it. I don't think it's ever increasing. It rises and falls, we keep track of these things. More people entered illegally between 1999-2008, than entered over the last decade. Net immigration over the southern border was near zero until a slew of crisis and destabilizing events since 2019.

 

[nhbbear]

I hear they are going after prince William now. Or Harry. The one in the US. He may have lied on his application. I wonder if they will do the same for Elon and how he overstayed his visa. I guess he is American now and untouchable.

I would say elon is basically untouchable at this point

 

[nhbbear]

That's what they're doing; it's why the daily arrests and apprehensions are so relatively "low" at 850-1000 per day. They're focused on high priority, exceptionally dangerous targets that require serious force and resources. The party's over for these defective fucktards.

Good to know. In my state, they just conducted a raid of restaurant workers and apple pickers

 

[Fergelmince]

Illegal immigrants, Communists and Socialists go hand in hand in the US.

Communist outreach groups like Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition and Colorado People's Alliance use megaphones to warn Tren De Aragua in the apartments as ICE, DEA, etc conduct raids to arrest violent illegal aliens.

We can't have these violent criminals in police custody when they could be out shaking down apartment owners, terrorizing apartment residents and raping and assaulting women and children!

ICE and federal agents raid multiple metro Denver apartments early Wednesday

Immigration attorneys and advocates estimated anywhere from nine to 15 people were taken from five locations, but that number was fluid.

denverite.com

Katie Leonard, an organizer with the Denver branch of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, outside the Cedar Run Apartments on Feb. 5, 2025.

 

[Hog-train]

1. That's wrong, even if that figure is true. He was sworn in on Jan 20th, that would be less than 450 per day. And as I pointed out previously, these are low hanging fruit deportations.

2. I don't think we need to stop it, I think we need to get better at managing it. I don't think it's ever increasing. It rises and falls, we keep track of these things. More people entered illegally between 1999-2008, than entered over the last decade. Net immigration over the southern border was near zero until a slew of crisis and destabilizing events since 2019.

1. Every article I've read have been saying it's 1,000 per day.

2. You're saying illegal immigration will fluctuate. But that's not what would happen if we institute the poilcies you want. It will only exponentially increase because everyone just immediately accepted.

Unchecked immigration from the third world is not what the people want. You're being delulu if you think this will fly.

You're basically asking for the US to be the ONLY country on Earth that doesn't enforce it's borders at all

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Reagan granted amnesty for over 3 million illegals, it's certainly much easier to naturalize than to deport.

And deporting able bodied working age adults does not seem like the best idea when we're looking down the barrel of consistent demographic decline over the next several decades.

Back then we had immigrants that wanted a better life and to contribute to making America great. Now we have a lot of unvetted illegal aliens that want to tear our country apart and divide us.

 

[Seano]

Thereby laying the seeds of the current problem we have now. Because the border is still wide open.

If you give zero penalty to illegally immigrate here and just naturalize everyone, then the people streaming in will not stop. What you are proposing is not possible nor sustainable.

Reagan's amnesty would have been fine had the border laws actually been enforced thereafter.