Are you for or against electric vehicles?

Are you for or against electric vehicles?


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That seems like the way everything will go is electric when it comes vehicles I believe.


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Put this in your OP! Not sure when it'll become available, but it's a great way to try an EV:

https://www.businessinsider.com/hyundai-no-commitment-ev-subscription-starting-699-month-2023-2
 
even though I'm been driving them for nearly a decade now, I'm undecided.

Do we really want to be trapped to one form of fuel and get screwed over like how gas constantly screws us? The battery tech is currently horribly inefficient..... ICE's are horribly inefficient as well. Neither one of our driving solutions are particularly great and the political move to electric is simply moving sideways in problems.
 
At my house? At all my neighbors' houses? Everyone uses solar here.
a 5K watt system makes 400ish kWh a month and the typical home uses 300, a typical EV like tesla has a 250kWh battery. You wont have enough solar to power your home, and even if you ration the crap out of everything, you would be lucky to get a full charge once a month.
 
No but I do wonder where all of the cobalt and precious minerals are going to come from.

We are trading fossil fuels for rare Earth minerals that will also cease to exist in time.

I also think we are pushing them before we have the infrastructure. I’m sure it’s fine in California but not the rest of the country and world. I need to see charging stations at gas stations or in abundance before I’m comfortable going all electric.
 
a 5K watt system makes 400ish kWh a month and the typical home uses 300, a typical EV like tesla has a 250kWh battery. You wont have enough solar to power your home, and even if you ration the crap out of everything, you would be lucky to get a full charge once a month.
Your numbers are way off. Average home uses 900kWh. I use around 1000. Why would you install a tiny solar system if your energy needs are higher, assuming you hope to break even? Doesn't make much sense.
 
Your numbers are way off. Average home uses 900kWh. I use around 1000. Why would you install a tiny solar system if your energy needs are higher, assuming you hope to break even? Doesn't make much sense.
I get those comparison things that show what my neighbors use, and I'm slightly over

I was going off of my local usage, my cousin was just going over his electric bill the other day in preps of solar and he was in the 200's...

apparently, the average for california is 537kWh, and I'm assuming a lot of that has to do with AC, which isnt necessary in some parts of cali. I understand that the flyover states can use a crapload of AC and have jacked up bills.... but moving to the point, you need a crapload of solar to power a car, and no way you can produce enough without dipping into the utility companies. I mean if you have a 20kwh system, maybe, assuming you park at home during peak hours, but that's like 50 solar panels and unless you have a ranch style home, you wont be able to fit that much.

a 1000 kwh per month home can get by with 8kwh system
 
For average passenger cars not so much, for electric assist bicycles , scooters , special use industrial application ie. underground mines , inside buildings or cargo ships etc then hell yes , battery tech is getting better year by year
 
The limit is set by the OEM. They clearly haven't hit any limit as people modify them to go much faster. The average person Can't really modify the average EV unless you drop weight.

If a new Z06 Corvette can run 0-60 mph in 2.6 seconds, you don't think GM could make a car that's faster? Well actually, they're going to when the ZR1 comes out.

So the two seater Corvette will match the SUV model X 0-60 speed at more price (and be slower than the four seater sedan model S, for again more price).

Already ICE is struggling to match electric and this is merely the beginning.
 
So the two seater Corvette will match the SUV model X 0-60 speed at more price (and be slower than the four seater sedan model S, for again more price).

Already ICE is struggling to match electric and this is merely the beginning.
Wow you named one car that's faster. That car btw is $145k and the Z06 starts at $106k. So in the US it's definitely not more expensive.
 
EVs are being pushed because they're easily controllable. Many "progressive" locations - such as Europe, Canada, Australia and California - have plans to outlaw the combustion engine altogether circa 2030. It's never been about the environment. The batteries for EVs rely on rare earth minerals and as a result supply will never be able to meet demand; most people will get priced out of car ownership altogether and get corralled into large cities. The power grid can't handle EVs and it'll be an excuse to limit charging for those that do have EVs and kneecap your ability to move larger distances. It also won't be hard in several decades to transition EVs to fully-automated vehicles that you won't even be legally allowed to drive yourself, using "security" from human error as the excuse. The charging infrastructure in of itself can be used a control grid; and when the state can do something, they will. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where charging stations X miles from your home are automatically disabled because the state adopts a policy restricting the use of energy due to shortages or using climate change as the excuse. So the end result is that, if these changes are accepted by the public, your ability to move freely and have independent control over your means of transportation will be eliminated. It's that simple. Reject this agenda en masse and this will not happen, or at least will not be possible to realize fully.

I'm sure that the experience of driving EVs is fun and can eventually become convenient. That's obvious: they want you to voluntarily switch to it, and for that for to happen they need to make it look appealing and innocuous initially. That's low-hanging fruit. A lot of people essentially think like children, they're only concerned about whether something is fun in the present moment but don't think about the long-term consequences of their implicit support / consent. In the larger scheme EVs are absolutely not a good thing.
 
EVs are being pushed because they're easily controllable. Many "progressive" locations - such as Europe, Canada, Australia and California - have plans to outlaw the combustion engine altogether circa 2030. It's never been about the environment. The batteries for EVs rely on rare earth minerals and as a result supply will never be able to meet demand; most people will get priced out of car ownership altogether and get corralled into large cities. The power grid can't handle EVs and it'll be an excuse to limit charging for those that do have EVs and kneecap your ability to move larger distances. It also won't be hard in several decades to transition EVs to fully-automated vehicles that you won't even be legally allowed to drive yourself, using "security" from human error as the excuse. The charging infrastructure in of itself can be used a control grid; and when the state can do something, they will. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where charging stations X miles from your home are automatically disabled because the state adopts a policy restricting the use of energy due to shortages or using climate change as the excuse. So the end result is that, if these changes are accepted by the public, your ability to move freely and have independent control over your means of transportation will be eliminated. It's that simple. Reject this agenda en masse and this will not happen, or at least will not be possible to realize fully.

I'm sure that the experience of driving EVs is fun and can eventually become convenient. That's obvious: they want you to voluntarily switch to it, and for that for to happen they need to make it look appealing and innocuous initially. That's low-hanging fruit. A lot of people essentially think like children, they're only concerned about whether something is fun in the present moment but don't think about the long-term consequences of their implicit support / consent. In the larger scheme EVs are absolutely not a good thing.

It's being pushed for any number of political purposes, but at the same time it does seem like a natural technological progression in the grand scheme of things. Less moving parts and the ability to run on renewable energy sources is an undeniable benefit. Whether it's actually better for the environment in the short to mid term is debatable, but in the future if we get power generation like fusion combined with better battery tech it could really be effective.

In the same extend, regardless of political pushing and shenanigans which is undoubted always present, the technological progression also seems kinda natural that it leads to autonomous driving and eventual full control over cars by central authority to be run by some sort of automated grid system. That is, if people let it progress to that extent, but I foresee it being a constant battle.

Personally I like the idea of EVs on their own. It would make no sense for me to get one since I don't drive my car that much, but I could see if I ended up doing a lot of commuting (heaven forbid) maybe it could be tempting. I don't see me getting one for the foreseeable future.
 
I havent looked through the thread at length so I'm sure its been said already numerous times.... but I'm Not personally against electric vehicles, I just don't think it solves the problem it claims to. It transfers the problem and creates others.
 
even though I'm been driving them for nearly a decade now, I'm undecided.

Do we really want to be trapped to one form of fuel and get screwed over like how gas constantly screws us? The battery tech is currently horribly inefficient..... ICE's are horribly inefficient as well. Neither one of our driving solutions are particularly great and the political move to electric is simply moving sideways in problems.
Agreed, and I plan on my next car being an EV (we have two cars so mine would be pretty much for city driving), but I think one advantage for EVs is the ability to diversify how we get fuel...from wind/solar to nuclear, methane, etc. With oil there could be OPEC cutting output or a war breaks out, and then our main source of fuel goes up in price.

All that being said, I think it's wrong to ban ICE cars. by the time EV price, performance, and charging time is on par with ICEs, most people will probably be buying EVS anyway
 
The good thing is, if you're like me and only buy used cars, you'll still be able to buy gas cars after 2035.

And you're God damn right about sterileness of EVs. It's funny though, some Tesla owners constantly say that everyone that drives one loves it and wants to buy one afterward.. Clearly that's not the case. When you have people comparing a Tesla to a Civic or Maxima, for course they're going to impressed. My coworker just bought a 540i and that felt much nicer than the Model 3, and he drove my boss's model 3 a while back.

Not to mention they're a dime a dozen in California and there nothing unique about driving the same white or gray Model 3 or Y as everyone else.
I wonder if in December 2034, people are gonna buy up bunches of gas cars and just to sell as "used" cars in 2035...maybe they're putting regulations to try and prevent flipping cars like that
 
I wonder if in December 2034, people are gonna buy up bunches of gas cars and just to sell as "used" cars in 2035...maybe they're putting regulations to try and prevent flipping cars like that
Guess it depends on the law about buying cars in states that don't have mandates and registering them here works out.

It looks like the C9 Corvette is coming out in 2029 with the sixth gen V8 that GM just announced they're developing and that will probably run until 2035. I may buy one at the last minute myself if it isn't a terrible looking car.
 
I’m for it but I think right now people are test dummies for it. And out infrastructure for electricity isn’t there yet. Maybe In like 20-30 years all the kinks will be out. I’m all set reading stories of Tesla’s locking people inside and catching on fire or crashing into shit.
 
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