Are you for or against electric vehicles?

[StonedLemur]

Sold but they’re a pain to drive and how are we gonna enjoy the sky when we got and electrified metal roof over us.
I know I said sold but now I’m not sold.

So we'll cover the go karts in bumpers and still use the hans device lol.

 

[IIIIIIII]

what a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of oil is needed to create the batteries that are in the cars. so if you take that into consideration, you really aren't wasting less oil or gas than you would in a conventional normal gasoline vehicle.

 

[Boomb]

I feel like I don't know enough.

I was absolutely pro but now I'm not so sure anymore...

 

[Thepaintbucket]

As of right now I have absolutely no reason to buy an EV but I am all for it. I just hope they don't kill gas powered sports cars all together which is likely going to happen. Pushing towards alternative means of transportation is never a bad thing. Improvements and new ideas through EV innovation is a good thing in my book.

Will EVs kill gas powered cars all together? I highly doubt it.

 

[cheesus]

Mostly for, I do believe electric vehicles are the way of the future and that for most people, especially in the inner suburbs or bigger cities, an electric vehicle is the better option, however, I can't see that it's realistic to expect that all people are going to be driving electric vehicles in 20 years. I don't know how you could drive an electric vehicle in rural Australia, there's not even enough petrol stations at times, some of them only sell diesel, let alone electric charging stations and the infrastructure as a whole is nowhere near what it needs to be, I believe Australia expects no more brand new combustion vehicles will be for sale after the year 2035, seems very unrealistic.

I have no problems eventually going electric. Will still be sad to see combustion vehicles go though, I'm hoping in the future fuel will still be pretty freely available, even if I have to spend more for it.

 

[jlagman]

Fuck it, I'm bored and awake, so I'll comment, like it matters.

I'm not against their existence or development nor do I begrudge someone who chooses to own one. But right now, they're expensive, glorified commuter vehicles with their own set of problems and aren't currently viable alternatives for the general, motoring public.

 

[squeezewax]

Many have been bursting into flames lately.

We are all going to have to give up our petrol and diesel vehicles sooner than most people think. The WEF has asked all governments to make private car ownership illegal.
Originally the deadline was going to be 2030, however i believe it will be sooner,
Personally i think there could be petrol rationing just like after the war in Pommie Land. Then of course paying for every kilometer you drive as well.
Therefore we may all have to decide sometime whether it is worth it to use the car, walk or cycle.

All this of course for the hoax climate crisis. The same reason we will be eating lots of insects, why our homes that we own will be taken from us. Oh, and also why we won't be able to either eat meat, or only have a small quota of meat each month. Shutting down farms too, 3,000 in The Netherlands!
Plus climate lockdowns the WHO can inflict upon us. Utter and complete control!
Save the planet, think of the kids.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Cars are going electric, basically everything is going electric. I'll never miss driving behind a diesel in summer.


My only concern is around bbqs going electric. Don't feel right to me.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

very interesting pdf that apparently Toyota corporate sent to all their dealers. the hybrid Prius has been around for years and sold millions, yet Toyota is doing a more gradual shift to pure EVs.

-"Lexus will be 100% battery electric vehicles by 2035" but I didn't see that goal mentioned for the main Toyota brand
-there are new batteries being developed that use less rare minerals, but they say "300 new lithium, cobalt, nickel, and graphite mines are needed to meet the expected battery demand by 2035". can all these be built in time? how safe/non-toxic will they be? maybe soon enough we'll have robots to do some of the mining? we'll see

*I'm for EVs, but not for mandates/outlawing ICE vehicles

https://news.yahoo.com/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

 

[huskylord]

If you think about it, with our reliance on our cell phones, AI, google, etc...we're all going electric

 

[TeTe]

very interesting pdf that apparently Toyota corporate sent to all their dealers. the hybrid Prius has been around for years and sold millions, yet Toyota is doing a more gradual shift to pure EVs.

-"Lexus will be 100% battery electric vehicles by 2035" but I didn't see that goal mentioned for the main Toyota brand
-there are new batteries being developed that use less rare minerals, but they say "300 new lithium, cobalt, nickel, and graphite mines are needed to meet the expected battery demand by 2035". can all these be built in time? how safe/non-toxic will they be? maybe soon enough we'll have robots to do some of the mining? we'll see

*I'm for EVs, but not for mandates/outlawing ICE vehicles

https://news.yahoo.com/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

THey're just catering to what the market wants, not what the government wants. Makes sense.

 

[Uber_Noober]

They aren't for me, if you want to drive one go right ahead, but if government tells me I have to drive one, they can go kick rocks.

 

[IDL]

what a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of oil is needed to create the batteries that are in the cars. so if you take that into consideration, you really aren't wasting less oil or gas than you would in a conventional normal gasoline vehicle.

Yes it's just marketing to think that electric vehicles are 'green'.

Green is not driving at all. Walk or ride a bicycle that is green.

But, what it comes down to with cars is what is the least worst option when comparing the environmental footprint of the lifecycle (not just manufacturing) of the vehicle. I'm under the impression that under the average scenario (not all scenarios), electrics are better in this regard but still not good.

 

[IDL]

very interesting pdf that apparently Toyota corporate sent to all their dealers. the hybrid Prius has been around for years and sold millions, yet Toyota is doing a more gradual shift to pure EVs.

-"Lexus will be 100% battery electric vehicles by 2035" but I didn't see that goal mentioned for the main Toyota brand
-there are new batteries being developed that use less rare minerals, but they say "300 new lithium, cobalt, nickel, and graphite mines are needed to meet the expected battery demand by 2035". can all these be built in time? how safe/non-toxic will they be? maybe soon enough we'll have robots to do some of the mining? we'll see

*I'm for EVs, but not for mandates/outlawing ICE vehicles

https://news.yahoo.com/why-toyota-isnt-rushing-sell-154000759.html

Yeah mining demand is going to be huge.

As a society we like to lament the influence of 'big oil' largely because since we rely on that resource so much it is of vital strategic importance so it affects politics.

Will we then start to lament the influence of 'Big lithium'? China is already trying to corner the market and it will also be of strategic importance.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

Yeah mining demand is going to be huge.

As a society we like to lament the influence of 'big oil' largely because since we rely on that resource so much it is of vital strategic importance so it affects politics.

Will we then start to lament the influence of 'Big lithium'? China is already trying to corner the market and it will also be of strategic importance.

the good news is I'm fairly sure China only controls most of the processing right now, I think most of the lithium deposits are in Australia or South America. California has a deposit too under the Salton Sea. at least we can build up processing facilities over time...

 

[IDL]

the good news is I'm fairly sure China only controls most of the processing right now, I think most of the lithium deposits are in Australia or South America. California has a deposit too under the Salton Sea. at least we can build up processing facilities over time...

China controls the Australian mines though. Not sure about South America. They control a very high percentage of current global production.

 

[Brandino]

I'm planning on going one vehicle Hybrid and the daily driver as full EV.

I've somewhat looked into doing this and the thing that I've noticed this most is that so many people are extremely uninformed and/or have massive paranoia in transitioning away from a standard gas vehicle.

 

[dirtypablo]

what a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of oil is needed to create the batteries that are in the cars. so if you take that into consideration, you really aren't wasting less oil or gas than you would in a conventional normal gasoline vehicle.

Absolute nonsense. The net emissions from an electric vehicle are still less than those from an ice vehicle, including when you factor in both manufacturing processes.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm all for it, but we need fully electric mass transit, not a repeat of filling roads with cars--that's equally unsustainable from an environmental point of view.