Are you for or against electric vehicles?

Are you for or against electric vehicles?

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PG29 red0 Jr said:
This is exactly the best case for most people and their daily commute. I would love to have a PHEV.

This was Toyota's vision for the near future, but the CEO got cancelled for not wanting to go full electric with everything.
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I'll go one step further and say that GM's vision of having a gas engine to charge the battery is even one step better. The car is always electric drive but you have a gas engine to charge the battery.

One transmission, a simple small gas or propane engine to charge. No idling or start up gas waste.

I also favor electronic control of a drive motor for each wheel. No need for a transmission that fails and inefficient.
 
TeTe said:
I suppose that Japanese OEMs can have a close minded view because they know that regardless of what they build, people will just buy them in Japan. They may lose sales in other countries but Japan is so nationalist they probably don't even care. They figure they'll can pump out a couple EV models just get some market share elsewhere and that's enough. They'll just keep selling hybrids 30 years from now at home.
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Actually I think its the opposite, the reason Toyota isn't so focused on the EV market is because they have a truly global vision. Sure in the US and Europe you're seeing EVs become somewhat more common but Toyota is the biggest auto-manufacturer in the world and they see emerging markets as a key part of their future success and naturally developing countries aren't going to have EV infrastructure any time soon.

Personally I respect that and feel vindicated by that Toyota CEO. I'm with the plug-in hybrid crowd and I think electric cars are overrated. The EVs that really have the potential to "save the environment" are e-bikes and e-busses which is just another way of saying that the real solution is to design our cities more so for pedestrians, cyclists, and public transit rather than cars.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Actually I think its the opposite, the reason Toyota isn't so focused on the EV market is because they have a truly global vision. Sure in the US and Europe you're seeing EVs become somewhat more common but Toyota is the biggest auto-manufacturer in the world and they see emerging markets as a key part of their future success and naturally developing countries aren't going to have EV infrastructure any time soon.

Personally I respect that and feel vindicated by that Toyota CEO. I'm with the plug-in hybrid crowd and I think electric cars are overrated. The EVs that really have the potential to "save the environment" are e-bikes and e-busses which is just another way of saying that the real solution is to design our cities more so for pedestrians, cyclists, and public transit rather than cars.
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Well, I believe that's the other reason that Japanese OEMs are not in a rush to build EVs..... because there is no rush. Even with government mandates in some places.. those aren't for 12 years so why pump out a substandard product just to get skin in the game early? But the mandates are the main reason I hate the EV push. I don't think that (other than California, possibly) that states will even be able to keep them in tact come 2035 because so many people won't be on board with buying them.
 
TeTe said:
Well, I believe that's the other reason that Japanese OEMs are not in a rush to build EVs..... because there is no rush. Even with government mandates in some places.. those aren't for 12 year so why pump out a substandard product just to get skin in the game early? But the mandates are the main reason I hate the EV push. I don't think that (other than California, possibly) that states will even be able to keep them in tact come 2035 because so many people won't be on board with buying them.
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I agree, the mandates are really dumb. If the city wants to only use electric vehicles for its public transit projects that's one thing but trying to force people to buy EVs when transportation costs are the 2nd largest for the average household, behind only housing itself, just strikes me as silly.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Actually I think its the opposite, the reason Toyota isn't so focused on the EV market is because they have a truly global vision. Sure in the US and Europe you're seeing EVs become somewhat more common but Toyota is the biggest auto-manufacturer in the world and they see emerging markets as a key part of their future success and naturally developing countries aren't going to have EV infrastructure any time soon.
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Yes, I actually thought that Toyota had the best vision with the old CEO.

I couldn't believe that there were groups hating on Toyota for there PHEV plan.

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Islam Imamate said:
I agree, the mandates are really dumb. If the city wants to only use electric vehicles for its public transit projects that's one thing but trying to force people to buy EVs when transportation costs are the 2nd largest for the average household, behind only housing itself, just strikes me as silly.
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people in general, especially Americans I suppose, don't like to be told by the government what they can and can't do. I'm a fan of EVs, will most likely buy one for my next car a few years down the road, but do not agree with the future bans on ICE cars. we already have those instances of jackasses blocking charging stations and vandalizing Teslas, so will probably get worse if it gets forced on people
 
I drove a hybrid Kia Xceed, 21 plate last week.

It was awesome. I did 60 miles in total and I dropped from just over quarter of a tank, to just under a quarter

Pure electric? I'd like to try, but I heard that some components required tearing up the land quite a bit.

I'd also like more financial support. A nation built on petrol and diesel cannot be expected to carry such a heavy financial burden of buying new vehicles, especially retirees, the minimum wage workers and parents.

I'm happy to move on from dirty fuels. We should have done it years ago. Question is, is electric the right alternative? And is there anyway to make the transition seamless, without punishing the vulnerable?
 
I don't think we should go "all-in" on anything. Electric cars should probably be the more majority but gas vehicles should be allowed and never banned.

I almost look at it like cash/credit/check. Most people just use debit/credit these days but cash and checks should always be an accepted form of payment. Being completely tied to the electric grid for everything just doesn't seem like a great idea. Especially with how much strain it is already under, brown outs and the request from states to reduce electricity usage. Add millions of electric cars to the grid and now what?

Choice is always my answer.
 
I’ve never actually driven one, but I am not sure why anyone would be against them. I’m not convinced the technology is to the point that I would want one. I have no doubt that technology will be here soon and I’m sure I will buy one some day
 
William Huggins said:
Are we talking about taken out of service due to a crash? Having driven a few I can see why, weight, instant acceleration and the human factor is going to equal right off..... You can't repair the things if there's q sign of battery damage and the cost of a new battery rights them off sometimes as well.
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I don't think the stat differentiated that.
 
depends on my mood. Some days I really hate everything and wish the human race would die out and all traces of our existence would be wiped from the face of the earth, including electric vehicles. Other days, I feel gratitude and love for everything including electric vehicles.
 
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