There are PLENTY here on overstayed visas, came here legally and don't/can't go back to their home Country.
Social Are illegal immigrants mostly bad people?
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There are PLENTY here on overstayed visas, came here legally and don't/can't go back to their home Country.
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Yeah I'm not a fan of how this admin is handling work/school visas but that's a whole different rant.
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I didn't mention red states or blue states.
You think people just wander in here by mistake? I'm talking about people exploiting taxpayer funded programs that illegals use.
I don't really care for deliberate ignorance as a debate tactic, so if you're going to pretend you don't know what I'm talking about, move on because I'm not playing.
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Theyre hard working people that are desperate to build a better life for themselves and their family and are literally risking their lives on a dangerous, treacherous journey through some real horrible conditions to try and make it happen
My dad and his brothers came to this country "illegally" with literally nothing but the dirt in their pockets and dreams of a better existence and when they got here they worked every single day of their lives to make that happen
They got jobs doing hard ass labor and never stopped until they achieved those goals, became citizens, tax payers, land owners, business owners that were paid very well because they had reputations as being great at what they do
My dad died last year but before he did, he would get paid huge sums of money by rich white people to do the fancy delicate detailed finishing work on their big show off back yard party decks and swimming pools and he would spend the rest of the time working on his huge ranch full of livestock and cattle
He was literally the American Dream
That's who is coming to this country
My dad and his brothers came to this country "illegally" with literally nothing but the dirt in their pockets and dreams of a better existence and when they got here they worked every single day of their lives to make that happen
They got jobs doing hard ass labor and never stopped until they achieved those goals, became citizens, tax payers, land owners, business owners that were paid very well because they had reputations as being great at what they do
My dad died last year but before he did, he would get paid huge sums of money by rich white people to do the fancy delicate detailed finishing work on their big show off back yard party decks and swimming pools and he would spend the rest of the time working on his huge ranch full of livestock and cattle
He was literally the American Dream
That's who is coming to this country
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Absolutely not. Most are very hardworking and do jobs no Americans want to do imo. However, there are way too many that are breaking the laws constantly and prior to this, we’re allowed to continue to break the law time and time again and facing no repercussions for their criminal behavior because bragg is the da and nyc and other cities are sanctuary cities
Illegals CAN'T get tax payer programs my guy, you are literally making shit up. It is extremely difficult to get on state medicaid as a US citizen, let alone as an immigrant. What programs are you talking about? you seriously think people come over to America, do nothing, and sign up for Medicaid, get it, and continue doing nothing? I would say a LOT of "illegals" are actually paying more into taxes than say Billy Bob on disability, getting pain pills monthly via the Government.
You guys let Trump tell you how to feel about immigrants, and it is completely wrong.
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We're still going with this lie? You're telling me illegals aren't being given housing, food and health care on the taxpayer dime?
I'm going to use an AI answer because I really don't feel like putting effort into this fake debate. You know better than this.
- Medi-Cal:
As of January 2024, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, are eligible for full Medi-Cal coverage, California's Medicaid program.
- Emergency Medical Treatment:
Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), hospitals must provide emergency care to everyone, regardless of their immigration status, according to the National Immigration Forum.
- Disability Insurance (DI) and Paid Family Leave (PFL):
The Employment Development Department (EDD) allows undocumented workers to apply for DI and PFL benefits even without a Social Security number
- As of January 2024, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, are eligible for full Medi-Cal coverage, California's Medicaid program.
- Emergency Medical Treatment:
Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA), hospitals must provide emergency care to everyone, regardless of their immigration status, according to the National Immigration Forum.
- Disability Insurance (DI) and Paid Family Leave (PFL):
The Employment Development Department (EDD) allows undocumented workers to apply for DI and PFL benefits even without a Social Security number
- This state-funded program provides cash benefits to non-citizens who are ineligible for other programs like Supplemental Security Income (SSI/SSP) due to their immigration status.
- WIC (Women, Infants, and Children): Undocumented immigrants are eligible for the WIC program.
- CalFresh (Food Stamps): Certain categories of immigrants, including those who are "qualified," can access CalFresh benefits.
- School Meals: Undocumented children are eligible for free or reduced-price school meals.
- In-State Tuition and Financial Aid: Undocumented students who meet the criteria for California residency can pay in-state tuition at the University of California, California State Universities, and Community Colleges.
- In-Home Supportive Services (IHSS):
Undocumented immigrants can be eligible for IHSS, which provides assistance with in-home care. - Family PACT:
This program offers comprehensive family planning services to eligible individuals
We are talking about a FEDERAL issue, and you for some reason insist on talking about one specific State. How many illegal immigrants do you personally know? Medi-cal is a STATE PROGRAM btw. This doesn't apply nation wide, illegal immigrant don't get "free healthcare" nor food stamps nor disability, nor are they getting anything over a US citizen. Also lets do some numbers.
California brings in 35 billion a year in taxes for Medicaid
California contributes approximately $35 billion yearly from its General Fund to Medi-Cal (the state's Medicaid program), primarily funded by state taxes such as personal income taxes, sales taxes, and corporate taxes.
California spends about 9.5 billion a year on illegal immigrants.
Medi-Cal spends approximately $9.5 billion yearly on coverage for undocumented immigrants (also referred to as illegal immigrants in some sources), based on FY 2024-25 estimates from state budget hearings and Department of Finance officials. This reflects the total program costs for full-scope coverage expansions, which are state-funded since federal Medicaid excludes undocumented individuals except for emergencies.
Can you read that last part 4-5 times and let us know what it means? Also, even taking these numbers in at face value. AFTER money spent on illegal immigrants for limited healthcare they receive, California STILL is a net positive on money contributed to medicaid by 25.5 BILLION.
Your argument is not only stupid, it's borderline retarded. And the fact you have to try and cherry pick ONE STATE when referencing a federal issue, and still make absolutely no sense, is mind boggling. If California decided to not adhere to federal policy, medicaid would lose almost 3 times the income in taxes as is spent on illegals yearly.
You are parroting talking points from social media that have no actual meat behind them and are completely false.
Illegal immigrants CAN'T get federal medicaid, federal food stamps, or federal disability. You are wrong. It happens.
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They disregard the laws of and disrespect the country and the citizens (especially legal immigrants) of the country they illegally invade so... If an immigrant goes through the process to enter legally, they have respect for the country and become valuable citizens otherwise gtfo! Doesn't matter if they're "bad" or anything else ...
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Living on a boarder state and central hub before illegal’s head to their final destinations..
In the past few decades of observing and living amongst, I would say 90% coming through are looking to find somewhere to live, raise kids and make money for themselves and to send back south to family..
The other 10% are pretty bad people..
In the past few decades of observing and living amongst, I would say 90% coming through are looking to find somewhere to live, raise kids and make money for themselves and to send back south to family..
The other 10% are pretty bad people..
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People voting yes lack empathy and should take a look in the mirror
I support enforcing immigration laws and restrictions, but that does not mean these are mostly bad people at all
Only very, very simple minded folks think like that
I support enforcing immigration laws and restrictions, but that does not mean these are mostly bad people at all
Only very, very simple minded folks think like that
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The Hispanic ones, which is most of them, will have children that are much more likely to become gang members, stealing cars, home invasions, killings, etc.. there's not a single town or city in this country with a sizeable Hispanic population that does NOT have a gang problem
And since these kids are citizens, not immigrants, they skew the statistics
And since these kids are citizens, not immigrants, they skew the statistics
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I love traveling and particularly 3rd world. Nowhere I went did I ever feel unsafe. I've walked past peeps in trash bag houses in Nicaragua where the people are washing clothes in a creek. Most of the time poor people are just poor. Not criminals. However 1/3 of all central and south american people live in extreme poverty less than $2.15 a day. Africa is higher population and much worse. Again wherever you go and see children playing and families you won't feel unsafe. The issue is what to do about global poverty and the governments that run them. Most people arent against immigration totally. But just letting in as many as desire is not sustainable.
Obviously if you are a criminal trying to flee you certainly will go to a place like the US where you can hide. Gangs have certainly moved in but have been that way for many years because the US holds much more profit for them in terms of drugs and sex trafficking. Houston is one of the largest sex trafficking hubs and lots of gang involvement. They pluck lots of women and children crossing the border.
Letting the border get so out of hand that millions came across in only a few years is what drove people to the polls to vote Trump in as a primary reason. Even Hispanic vote went up.
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Mexico and Central American countries present terrible options- work for the cartels or exist on scraps (sometimes the second option isn't even open).
Moving their family here is totally understandable, as it is a chance for a better life.
European immigration is clearly more troublesome in general. I haven't heard of any grooming gangs in the US, at least not on the UK scale.
Moving their family here is totally understandable, as it is a chance for a better life.
European immigration is clearly more troublesome in general. I haven't heard of any grooming gangs in the US, at least not on the UK scale.
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You're one of those very low-IQ righties so this won't matter to you (and you likely won't be able to interpret what it means) so this is more for others reading through the thread:
If you want a more recent one:
Most of these cities have a sizeable Hispanic population. #6, #13 and #16 are overwhelmingly Hispanic. Like 90%+
And the craziest thing is they're also very poor. Very poor, very Hispanic... but still manage to be very safe. Mind blowing...
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Kind of a silly question that is very unspecific. What do you mean by "mostly bad"? There are like 30 million of them, so if the question is whether more than 50% of the 30 million are morally bad people individually, then there is no possible way for anybody to know, but the odds of that would be incredibly low. The only group that size you can actually say are just morally bad people are western "progressives" because their ideology is inherently immoral. You can't answer the same about something like illegals because it isn't an ideology. I'm sure some of them are, some of them aren't, and there is no way to know the proportions.
If the question is the political question of whether having 30 million illegals in the country has more negative than positive for the country, then that would be a yes, and it probably wouldn't be if the number was 1 or 2 million instead of 30.
If the question is the political question of whether having 30 million illegals in the country has more negative than positive for the country, then that would be a yes, and it probably wouldn't be if the number was 1 or 2 million instead of 30.
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All jokes and hyperbole aside, if someone breaks into your home you don't let them stay. Even if they clean up a little after, even if they apologize. They broke the law, knowingly. I am friends with a lot of legal immigrants and they fucking hate illegals more than anyone else I've ever met
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That isn't what was asked, hombre.
The question in the thread and poll is if the people coming into the country illegally are mostly (majority) bad people.
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