Social Are illegal immigrants mostly bad people?

[Blayt7hh]

You're one of those very low-IQ righties so this won't matter to you (and you likely won't be able to interpret what it means) so this is more for others reading through the thread:

If you want a more recent one:

Most of these cities have a sizeable Hispanic population. #6, #13 and #16 are overwhelmingly Hispanic. Like 90%+

And the craziest thing is they're also very poor. Very poor, very Hispanic... but still manage to be very safe. Mind blowing...

I used to live in El Paso about 15 years ago now. It felt perfectly safe and I never saw any crazy activities. The rhetoric from the right was exactly the same back then as it is now even though they like to pretend crime is up. The truth is that illegal immigrants are much less likely (by like half) to commit a serious crime because they don’t want to be on the radar.

Yet, back in like 2011 when I lived there the right wing media was telling me how dangerous it was to live in a border town. Same story today with a new spin

 

[tank666]

Can't speak for other countries but definitely in the UK most are trash.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I used to live in El Paso about 15 years ago now. It felt perfectly safe and I never saw any crazy activities. The rhetoric from the right was exactly the same back then as it is now even though they like to pretend crime is up. The truth is that illegal immigrants are much less likely (by like half) to commit a serious crime because they don’t want to be on the radar.

Yet, back in like 2011 when I lived there the right wing media was telling me how dangerous it was to live in a border town. Same story today with a new spin

The most amazing thing is that Juarez really is super violent and dangerous but somehow, El Paso is always near the top in lists like this.

Hard to explain but facts are facts.

 

[oldshadow]

Dont know but they all came in or stayed illegally so that makes them "bad" to an extent.

The only way to make as sure as possible that they are not is for them get out and come in legally.

 

[Fluffernutter]

Do I think they are bad people? Absolutely not.

Do I think corporations use them to keep wages low? Yes.

Do I think there are finite resources available for new comers and people who have been here for generations? Yes.

Do I think NGOs who get them to the US, and then leave them with zero support are bad people? Yes. If you sponsor their visa, you should take more responsibility for their well-being once they arrive.

Do I think schools need to be more creative in helping children who have recently arrived? Yes.

Do I think we should "build the wall"? Yes.

Do I think we should double the size of our consular sections abroad to allow for more visas? Yes

 

[shunyata]

@Crazy Source

This is where I think Trump is making a big mistake.

People who crossed the border illegally and then committed additional federal crimes, should be sent back to their country of origin or serve jail time here.
People who crossed the border illegally and have committed crimes in their nation of origin, should be deported to their country of origin.

People who crossed the border illegally but have committed no other crimes should be allowed to stay if they are employed legally, especially those who own and operate businesses that employ others. They should be given some sort of work permit or green card and given a 10 year path to citizenship.

See now you're describing Obama's ICE policies. The US ramped up deportations under Obama compared to Bush jr but with an explicit guideline that efforts were to focus on violent felons, not children and grandmas with unpaid parking tickets.

But if you're just trying to hit massive deportation quotas and don't care about the quality of your arrests (violent felons), it's easier to just handcuff people at their visa hearings and raid job sites.

 

[Khaosan]

Lol @ thread title.

Wild.

 

[Swiftie]

There are PLENTY here on overstayed visas, came here legally and don't/can't go back to their home Country.

I know a woman from Honduras that is currently in this current situation. She got a lawyer, but he told her there isn't much she can do right now. It's especially bad with the current administration. She's college educated and was a teacher in her country. Honduras is a very poor country and she just wants a better life for herself and her family. Her kids are back in Honduras and she sends money back home. I feel so bad for her because she's such a a good person.

 

[Richmma80]

Not to shit on your racist agenda but no, there are plenty of Hispanic majority places in America that are super safe.

No they're not u dumb bitch

 

[Cid]

We don't get much illegal immigration here.

Statistically there isn't a single immigrant population that has had a higher crime rate than the native Australian population which is crazy for a country with an already low crime rate.

"Immigrant" crime in Australia is a second generation problem and there have only been 2 groups that have been above the average. The Vietnamese second generation in the 90's and the current Sudanese second generation.

Majority of those second generation are law abiding citizens... just statistically over represented in crimes committed compared to everyone else as a group.

 

[AZ103]

Absolutely not. Most are very hardworking and do jobs no Americans want to do imo. However, there are way too many that are breaking the laws constantly and prior to this, we’re allowed to continue to break the law time and time again and facing no repercussions for their criminal behavior because bragg is the da and nyc and other cities are sanctuary cities

Theres no such thing as jobs americans dont want to do. Thats bullshit. I know people who do disgusting work/back breaking labor in the Arizona heat. Its about pay. Ever see the show dirty jobs? People will do anything to support their family if the pay will allow them to properly do so.

 

[avenue94]

Theres no such thing as jobs americans dont want to do. Thats bullshit. I know people who do disgusting work/back breaking labor in the Arizona heat. Its about pay. Ever see the show dirty jobs? People will do anything to support their family if the pay will allow them to properly do so.

How much more are you, or the average American, willing to pay for groceries or construction?

 

[AZ103]

How much more are you, or the average American, willing to pay for groceries or construction?

Thats also bullshit. Oh the wages go up the prices go up. Fucking subsidize it. How much does it cost to endlessly fight homlessness to no avail? How much does it cost to put illegal immigrants up in hotels and give them phones and track them? How much does it cost to bus and fly them across the country? How much does it cost to boost up elon musks companies? How about fucking israel? How about Ukraine? We subsidize everything except for picking vegetables and shit that actually matters. Also i saw machines using what was basically ai to sort fruits 15 fucking years ago.

Pay Americans a proper wage to work in our country. Illegal labor hurts Americans by lowering wages and it hurts immigrants because they can be used and abused without real rights.

 

[avenue94]

Thats also bullshit. Oh the wages go up the prices go up. Fucking subsidize it. How much does it cost to endlessly fight homlessness to no avail? How much does it cost to put illegal immigrants up in hotels and give them phones and track them? How much does it cost to bus and fly them across the country? How much does it cost to boost up elon musks companies? How about fucking israel? How about Ukraine? We subsidize everything except for picking vegetables and shit that actually matters. Also i saw machines using what was basically ai to sort fruits 15 fucking years ago.

Pay Americans a proper wage to work in our country. Illegal labor hurts Americans by lowering wages and it hurts immigrants because they can be used and abused without real rights.

Who do you want to subsidize wage and cost increases? The goverment via...rebates? Cash to employers?

Native workers and illegal immigrants don't compete for the same jobs. There aren't even enough Americans to do all the jobs in this country.

So again, how much of a price increase are you willing to pay for those staples I mentioned. It sounds like your answer is zero.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I dont really think that question matters. They are in a country illegally, breaking laws. People should not be able to break laws, thats why we have them. If they break the law, they are punished. Its not really a hard concept to understand.

We elected president a multiple time felon who never served any kind of sentence, tho

 

[andnowweknow]

In my experience they are mostly much harder working and less entitled than most citizens.

 

[AZ103]

Who do you want to subsidize wage and cost increases? The goverment via...rebates? Cash to employers?

Native workers and illegal immigrants don't compete for the same jobs. There aren't even enough Americans to do all the jobs in this country.

So again, how much of a price increase are you willing to pay for those staples I mentioned. It sounds like your answer is zero.

Legal immigrants, american citizens or nothing. Im fine with subsidizing certain industries until supply shifts which it would. Pay the companies to keep costs low and wages high enough for legal employess. Stop aborting a million americans every year and saying we dont have enough man power.

There is no good argument to allow illegal workers in this country. It does not benefit anyone except the companies abusing them.

 

[avenue94]

Legal immigrants, american citizens or nothing.

So how do you propose to find over 10 million workers to replace illegal immigrants while the US' working age population shrinks? The H-2A program only has about 400,000 at the moment.

Pay the companies to keep costs low and wages high enough for legal employess.

How much do you think it would to cost to offset any price shocks? Let's just ignore for a minute that it makes no sense to subsidize the companies, as opposed to the end consumer.

Stop aborting a million americans every year and saying we dont have enough man power.

How do you propose accomplishing this? Making people have kids they don't want and then popping them in time machines to replace the 10 million workers you want eliminated from the US labor market?

There is no good argument to allow illegal workers in this country. It does not benefit anyone except the companies abusing them.

How does this not benefit the average American, who now gest to spend significantly less on food and new homes and many other staples because its subsidized by immigrants, the way it has been for most of America's history?

 

[HereticBD]

We elected president a multiple time felon who never served any kind of sentence, tho

Have you been told that nobody cares about those convictions, because the charges were absolute bullshit? Just incase you're still confused about it, I'm here to tell you that nobody gave a shit, because the charges were so obviously bullshit. It's why his approval rating always went up with every indictment. You and your Reddit bros could not convince the public that it was anything but a witch hunt, and you're still going on about it, like anyone gives a shit. Give it up.

34 bullshit charges = President Trump. Congratulations. You played yourself.

 

[b34stmode]

The Hispanic ones, which is most of them, will have children that are much more likely to become gang members, stealing cars, home invasions, killings, etc.. there's not a single town or city in this country with a sizeable Hispanic population that does NOT have a gang problem

And since these kids are citizens, not immigrants, they skew the statistics

Lmao, wtf do you base this off man? I feel ite