Are artists are less valuable since they were the first to be replaced by AI?

[Foots]

Some artist can just take up theater.

 

[Bacco]

As dude that studied for and worked bit as illustrator, i'm happy i dodged that and focused on more solid stuff

Actually AI is helping me when i have to do "artistic" parts of my job, losing 10 minutes rather than 3-4 hours for same or better result

Btw quality wise the best AI stuff will still have behind an artist using it, any dog can learn pure execution, eye/taste/vision is what only few have

Problem is best stuff will not necessary get recognization, as average guy would appreciate just as much what AI handled by a dog will deliver if not more
But tbh this happens already without bother AI, let's pick videogames, often real jewels are niche and not the games that sell millions

Said that even before AI art was going whores already, "modern art" is such mental fapping shitshow for pretentious cunts (when is not just money/recycle scam lol), so who cares, considering the direction it was taking i'm not much interested if it get axed


Real sad thing is in few generations we may lose artistic sense/skill (at real"grounded" level), and pass from AI doing something we can do as well to AI being able to do something we forgot

 

[boingyman]

At least AI will never replace photography.

 

[Gene Tunney]

I feel like Fox summed it up well:



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Gothic, Renaissance, and Baroque are definitely where it's at where the visual arts are concerned, from Giotto to Caravaggio.



Raphael.

All inspired by Famulus, commissioned by Nero to work on his Golden House.

"When Raphael and Michelangelo crawled underground and were let down shafts to study them, the paintings were a revelation of the true world of antiquity."

"The frescoes' effect on Renaissance artists was instant and profound (it can be seen most obviously in Raphael's decoration for the loggias in the Vatican), and the white walls, delicate swags, and bands of frieze—framed reserves containing figures or landscapes—have returned at intervals ever since, notably in late 18th century Neoclassicism, making Famulus one of the most influential painters in the history of art."

Domus Aurea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deorum]

All inspired by Famulus, commissioned by Nero to work on his Golden House.

"When Raphael and Michelangelo crawled underground and were let down shafts to study them, the paintings were a revelation of the true world of antiquity."

"The frescoes' effect on Renaissance artists was instant and profound (it can be seen most obviously in Raphael's decoration for the loggias in the Vatican), and the white walls, delicate swags, and bands of frieze—framed reserves containing figures or landscapes—have returned at intervals ever since, notably in late 18th century Neoclassicism, making Famulus one of the most influential painters in the history of art."

Domus Aurea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was really something else, no doubt one of world history's all-time megalomaniacs even taking the negative propaganda into account. The round hall of the Vatican has an artifact on public display from Domus Aurea, a 25-foot diameter tub that was constructed entirely of imperial porphyry. It's worth $2 billion.

 

[Gene Tunney]

He was really something else, no doubt one of world history's all-time megalomaniacs even taking the negative propaganda into account. The round hall of the Vatican has an artifact on public display from Domus Aurea, a 25-foot diameter tub that was constructed entirely of imperial porphyry. It's worth $2 billion.

One variable that the more monstrous emperors such as Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero, Domitian, Commodus, and Caracalla had in common was that they were all beloved by the lowest rungs of Roman society. Most made the unfortunate decision to alienate either the senate, army, or praetorian guard commanders.

To better understand Nero's megalomania, he had this to say about the Domus Aurea: "I am at last beginning to be housed like a human being."

Just before his demise, he muttered: "What an artist the world is losing!"

What a guy.

 

[Gene Tunney]

That is a beautiful tub though.

 

[Gene Tunney]

The grisly fates that met almost all of them always tends to bolster my appreciation of Augustus. We have a good idea of his capabilities where administrative reforms, infrastructure development, and cultural patronage were concerned, but the sheer political acumen to rule for over four decades without falling victim to betrayal or coup, to not suffer through blatant assassination or suicide is just incredible given all that came and happened after him.



Oh, yeah. It's one hell of an intact artifact.

Mvsei Vaticani's overall collection is a mere fraction of what's held by places like The Louvre in Paris, British Museum in London, or Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC. Those institutions all but cover the entirety of human history across every culture and civilization, whereas the Vatican's central focus and highlight is obviously religious art that was commissioned by the Church itself. The Greco-Roman goods aren't too far behind, though. The quality is staggering.

Augustus was the gold standard as far as emperors go. He was intelligent enough to comprehend his military limitations and delegated his generals, who were quite able (expect for perhaps Varus), to fight the wars, was a prolific builder, compromised with the senate, kept his sexual escapades to a minimum (or at least was discreet about it), and even if begrudgingly, authorized the grain dole. One of the very few who kept his ego in check, dying of natural causes, who at the last moments, joked about playing his part in the comedy of life, asking his friends to applaud as the curtains closed. A closure starkly divergent from Nero's.

I would like to see these works sometime. Though, so much is overseas. Maybe the Church will let me check it out. I know that they incorporated many Roman structures into churches. Even Diocletian's mausoleum is now a Cathedral. But all historical art is fascinating, all the way back to the caveman paintings. And they find new artifacts every year. You never know, you may have a trove of treasures in your back yard, especially if you live in Italy.

 

[Tito Tapped]

Writing prompts is no different of an artistic tool than using a brush. If we have to put up with this idea that all art is subjective and everything counts, artists shouldn't be upset about other people using digital aids.

 

[Deleted member 609094]

I think people used to think artists were just as valuable as accountants, or plumbers, or programmers...

But since AI has really taken off it looks like artists are really the first victims to be replaced.

Does that change their value in your eyes at all?

Sure, but only a particular kind of artist.
Bearing in mind that a great deal of collectible and gallery art is about the medium.
A laser printed graphic holds little weight beyond perhaps the occasional AI masterpiece (whatever that means).

Brush-strokes and charcoal footprints on particular types of paper don't seem like they'll be replaced anytime soon.
Neither will graffiti murals.
Chalkboard art outside cafes.
Lettering. Tattooists. Many, many others.

The idea of the artist being replaced is somewhat misleading but absolutely I'm sure that album cover-art and book-covers will be the first to become obscure.

 

[Hotora86]

Nothing worse than AI generated news articles. Full of inaccuracies and painful to read. Sports illustrated is an unbearable website to refer to because of AI now. After the draft They ran a story about the Raiders new "quarterback" in the headline and proceeded to post pics of and talk about Ashton Jeanty in the vaguest way. Lmao you can't even read your garbage before you post it?

Blame capitalism.
AI costs close to nothing and works 24/7 compared to a dozen humans who need breaks, holidays, sick leave, sleep, food and a living wage...

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Artists mostly suck

They will have to find a honest job now.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

Programmers are the least valuable because writing scripts is a perfect job for an AI.

 

[PBAC]

I feel like Fox summed it up well:



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Gothic, Renaissance, and Baroque are definitely where it's at where the visual arts are concerned, from Giotto to Caravaggio.



Raphael.

I think art is a hijacked community but abstract designs allow for greater creativity which exists outside the boundaries of AI. A lot of art is not just about art but the artist's interpretation, or how they prompt or lead the interpretor.

 

[TeTe]

Programmers are the least valuable because writing scripts is a perfect job for an AI.

Depends on the programming.

Not to mention AI engineering jobs are hot right now.

 

[Spam On Rye]

I feel like Fox summed it up well:



....



Gothic, Renaissance, and Baroque are definitely where it's at where the visual arts are concerned, from Giotto to Caravaggio.



Raphael.

I'm partial to Raphael's Sistine Madonna myself. Dostoevsky has some great thoughts on that piece in his diaries that are worth a look. His wife was obsessed with it so he wrote about it quite a bit.

 

[Sad Dad]

Artists were never that valuable. What they do is impressive but it's entertainment and luxury, but not essential

I think AI will weed out the mediocre artists while the truly innovative artists would still thrive

if you think human art isn’t essential to society you are truly lost.

 

[Gene Tunney]

Excellent.

I tend to agree with the Yale historian.

Why Augustus Should Be Remembered Alongside Julius Caesar - Yale University Press

Adrian Goldsworthy— Maybe sometimes a person can be too successful, or at least you are tempted to wonder this when you think about how Augustus is scarcely remembered these days.... READ MORE

yalebooks.yale.edu

Of course, they'll let you check it out. The Vatican is a sovereign city-state but it's not inaccessible, and tourism is a primary driver of its economy. The Catholic Church is wealthy and the world's largest charitable organization, but the majority of that wealth isn't particularly liquid since it's tied up in the Holy See's real estate and art collection. The museum generates a ton of revenue, and houses many of the greatest works ever achieved by man.



I certainly do have a treasure in my backyard (AZ), but of the natural variety and nothing less than the greatest geological spectacle in the world. People from practically every corner of the planet come here by the millions to take in the spectacular multi-hued erosional formations and enormous size and scale (278 miles long, 4 to 18 miles wide, up to 6,093 feet deep), but what makes it so profound and scientifically invaluable is the fact that every era of the planet's evolutionary history is exposed and on display along the Grand Canyon's horizontal strata, from Precambrian to the Cenozoic. A true masterwork of mother nature.

It's funny. I probably would not know who Augustus was either if not for grade school. In the 4th grade, I was assigned the role of Octavius in Shakespeare's Julius Caeser. It wasn't a play, we just read it together as a class over the course of a month.

If looking to acquire leadership insights, reading Augustus books would be a fine strategy. It should be noted that there is a story that his wife poisoned him. They say the same about Claudius and his wife, Nero's mother, Nero being the benefactor of that outcome. We all know what happened to Nero's mother. That just goes to show, no matter how important you may become and how great you may be, marry a woman who will guard you and keep your inner circle as small as possible.

You know, I have never seen a mountain in person. Just the corn fields of the Midwest, and maybe a beach for 30 minutes in Florida. Going to the Grand Canyon would be like going to Mars. I could only begin to comprehend what the vistas must look like in person. I have a few connections in AZ, so it could happen. Would be a fantastic cinematic location for a spaghetti western.

 

[Sad Dad]

I think people used to think artists were just as valuable as accountants, or plumbers, or programmers...

But since AI has really taken off it looks like artists are really the first victims to be replaced.

Does that change their value in your eyes at all

lets assume you’re only talking about digital visual art, while yes we can give prompts to create something that matches something we might need in the moment. Original creations and styles are still vastly more interesting and distinct on average. Now generic style copy art commission type of digital artists can probably be replaced pretty soon which sucks for them but that’s such a small minority and a drop in a bucket in the world of art. The quality of digital expression is still pretty weak imo. I love AI as a tool to help creators and artists speed up and bring to life their original creations though!

 

[djacobox372]

if you think human art isn’t essential to society you are truly lost.

If you think you'll be able to distinguish between "human art" and "AI art" in 10 years you are truly naive.