Apologizing to an outraged progressive is a big mistake

[Koro_11]

Yeah the piranha smelling blood in the water is the perfect analogy for their behaviour.

For sure, they’re definitely not sharks because a shark is powerful on its own. These are impotent little minnows who get emboldened by being part of a mob, but have no courage to confront anyone on their own. It’s really disgusting to see, that mob mentality is so cowardly and pathetic.

 

[Octavian]

I learned this first hand arguing with an extremely simple minded and confrontational acquaintance on Facebook once. She was one of those champagne Marxist constantly posting anti American, anti-western and anti capitalist sentiments, and one day I couldn’t help myself but reply to one of her public posts. So she began arguing with me how socialism gives people more dignity and capitalism was evil, and all that jazz... meanwhile Im here responding to her from Castro’s socialist Cuba where my wife and I just got back from waiting in line for cooking oil so I was really in the mood.

So it started off as very light sparring as I thought I might be able to offer her a different point of view without it getting personal, but unfortunately it quickly escalated into a heated exchange. I started completely dissecting her in every response to the point where I felt bad for her and said something like “I apologize if I’m being too harsh in presenting my argument”. I honestly felt that I had nothing to apologize for, but I could picture her crying as she was furiously typing her responses and I was really not looking to trigger or troll her at all, just point out that her views were oversimplified and that she was completely ignorant and out of touch with reality.

In her next response she accused me of being a sexist misogynistic racist white guy (despite race never being brought up once in the entire argument, despite my profile picture being of me with my mixed race wife and our mixed race child, and despite her herself being white and blond with blue eyes), and I never got a chance to respond because the next moment I was unfriended, blocked and her profile was forever hidden from me.

It’s not an exact comparison, but it reminded me a lot of the twitter outrage mobs that go after people who supposedly say or do something that doesn’t toe the line of the whole woke progressive agenda these days. The people that attempt to retract their statement or apologize in any way tend to get crucified and destroyed, whereas the people who just brush it off, don’t respond or just double down on their stance and “own it” (I fucken hate that expression lol) seem to fare much better.

It’s a really bizarre world we live in today where it seems that the only way to survive is either to
a.) just agree with the status quo
b.) keep your head down and say nothing, or
c.) go all in with the opposite argument with guns blazing

The option of trying to be the balanced voice of reason somewhere in the middle while trying not to offend anyone seems to be the worst one of all, despite the fact that to a normal person under normal circumstances this would be the most obvious and most sensible one. How did we get this way?

Strong suggestion: get off Facebook. It’s tearing society apart.

 

[tangata motu'a]

liberal white people have the authority to speak on behalf of black people/ poor people/ socialists/ communists/ lqbqt people and any other oppressed people or people that don't share opinions/beliefs of 'Murica or those that come from different backgrounds. I would think you knew that by now. In fact, their opinion is often much more important than those same people if those people have opinions that do not toe the line

 

[Deleted member 555403]

I learned this first hand arguing with an extremely simple minded and confrontational acquaintance on Facebook once. She was one of those champagne Marxist constantly posting anti American, anti-western and anti capitalist sentiments, and one day I couldn’t help myself but reply to one of her public posts. So she began arguing with me how socialism gives people more dignity and capitalism was evil, and all that jazz... meanwhile Im here responding to her from Castro’s socialist Cuba where my wife and I just got back from waiting in line for cooking oil so I was really in the mood.

So it started off as very light sparring as I thought I might be able to offer her a different point of view without it getting personal, but unfortunately it quickly escalated into a heated exchange. I started completely dissecting her in every response to the point where I felt bad for her and said something like “I apologize if I’m being too harsh in presenting my argument”. I honestly felt that I had nothing to apologize for, but I could picture her crying as she was furiously typing her responses and I was really not looking to trigger or troll her at all, just point out that her views were oversimplified and that she was completely ignorant and out of touch with reality.

In her next response she accused me of being a sexist misogynistic racist white guy (despite race never being brought up once in the entire argument, despite my profile picture being of me with my mixed race wife and our mixed race child, and despite her herself being white and blond with blue eyes), and I never got a chance to respond because the next moment I was unfriended, blocked and her profile was forever hidden from me.

It’s not an exact comparison, but it reminded me a lot of the twitter outrage mobs that go after people who supposedly say or do something that doesn’t toe the line of the whole woke progressive agenda these days. The people that attempt to retract their statement or apologize in any way tend to get crucified and destroyed, whereas the people who just brush it off, don’t respond or just double down on their stance and “own it” (I fucken hate that expression lol) seem to fare much better.

It’s a really bizarre world we live in today where it seems that the only way to survive is either to
a.) just agree with the status quo
b.) keep your head down and say nothing, or
c.) go all in with the opposite argument with guns blazing

The option of trying to be the balanced voice of reason somewhere in the middle while trying not to offend anyone seems to be the worst one of all, despite the fact that to a normal person under normal circumstances this would be the most obvious and most sensible one. How did we get this way?

There is a concept that comprises the main view of some schools within Buddhism known as freedom from elaboration. You should look into it.. or not

 

[JimmyFresno]

liberal white people have the authority to speak on behalf of black people/ poor people/ socialists/ communists/ lqbqt people and any other oppressed people or people that don't share opinions/beliefs of 'Murica or those that come from different backgrounds. I would think you knew that by now. In fact, their opinion is often much more important than those same people if those people have opinions that do not toe the line

*Like*

 

[BEER]

If you're apologizing for a perceived transgression, it can look like guilt, and people will jump at "guilt" any chance they can. Either side.

But your post sounds like she took your "apology" to be more malicious, like "oh I'm sorry if you can't handle the way I speak to you".

 

[Jack V Savage]

Apologizing merely adds fuel to the fire and reinforces their fu*ked up vision of the world.

One should never apologize to these people. they aren't interested in dialogue, but rather monologue.

This isn't exactly wrong, but it applies to every group of people--religious conservatives, right-wing libertarians, HBDers, CTers, socialists, etc. Name it. Anyone who has spent more than a day in the WR and thinks that there is a political grouping (as opposed to a few individuals) that is consistently open to good-faith discussion has the perceptive capacity of Helen Keller.

I'm not a relativist, and I'm not saying that all views are equally right or equally wrong, but people act like people. It's a delusion to think that only your chosen hated outgroup does.

 

[tonni]

Every few months a thread like this is made. It’s always a right winger in a conflict with an unhinged and highly illogical left wing woman.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I learned this first hand arguing with an extremely simple minded and confrontational acquaintance on Facebook once. She was one of those champagne Marxist constantly posting anti American, anti-western and anti capitalist sentiments, and one day I couldn’t help myself but reply to one of her public posts. So she began arguing with me how socialism gives people more dignity and capitalism was evil, and all that jazz... meanwhile Im here responding to her from Castro’s socialist Cuba where my wife and I just got back from waiting in line for cooking oil so I was really in the mood.

So it started off as very light sparring as I thought I might be able to offer her a different point of view without it getting personal, but unfortunately it quickly escalated into a heated exchange. I started completely dissecting her in every response to the point where I felt bad for her and said something like “I apologize if I’m being too harsh in presenting my argument”. I honestly felt that I had nothing to apologize for, but I could picture her crying as she was furiously typing her responses and I was really not looking to trigger or troll her at all, just point out that her views were oversimplified and that she was completely ignorant and out of touch with reality.

In her next response she accused me of being a sexist misogynistic racist white guy (despite race never being brought up once in the entire argument, despite my profile picture being of me with my mixed race wife and our mixed race child, and despite her herself being white and blond with blue eyes), and I never got a chance to respond because the next moment I was unfriended, blocked and her profile was forever hidden from me.

It’s not an exact comparison, but it reminded me a lot of the twitter outrage mobs that go after people who supposedly say or do something that doesn’t toe the line of the whole woke progressive agenda these days. The people that attempt to retract their statement or apologize in any way tend to get crucified and destroyed, whereas the people who just brush it off, don’t respond or just double down on their stance and “own it” (I fucken hate that expression lol) seem to fare much better.

It’s a really bizarre world we live in today where it seems that the only way to survive is either to
a.) just agree with the status quo
b.) keep your head down and say nothing, or
c.) go all in with the opposite argument with guns blazing

The option of trying to be the balanced voice of reason somewhere in the middle while trying not to offend anyone seems to be the worst one of all, despite the fact that to a normal person under normal circumstances this would be the most obvious and most sensible one. How did we get this way?

Your thread title should read "Debating politics on Facebook is a big mistake"

It has nothing to do with progressives.
No one likes to get their feelings and ideas on the world publicly "dissected" and being called ignorant, so Im not sure what response you were expecting.

People use Facebook to rant and vent, it is foolish to come in and try to "teach" them on that platform. These are conversations better had in person if you are trying to maintain relationships with these people.
Publicly calling out people on some deeply held view they have is just going to automatically make them defensive and make you look like an asshole.

 

[tonni]

Your thread title should read "Debating politics on Facebook is a big mistake"

It has nothing to do with progressives.
No one likes to get their feelings and ideas on the world publicly "dissected" and being called ignorant, so Im not sure what response you were expecting.

People use Facebook to rant and vent, it is foolish to come in and try to "teach" them on that platform. These are conversations better had in person if you are trying to maintain relationships with these people.
Publicly calling out people on some deeply held vew they have is just going to automatically make them defensive and make you look like an asshole.

We only have his side, too. For all we know, he’s a pretentious douchebag like he is on sherdog?

 

[ShadowRun]

That's the progressive left for you TS , not much logic in their rational

 

[Koro_11]

We only have his side, too. For all we know, he’s a pretentious douchebag like he is on sherdog?

Let’s assume I am and let’s assume I made the whole thing up, the issue still very much exists.

You know what I love about every single negative response to this topic, not one of you has responded to the actual issue being discussed. Every single one of you has responded with a personal insult towards me. This brings the issue to light more than I could ever do with any post, the fact that a certain type of person quickly identifies a type that they consider “the other”, and they don’t even attempt to break down the actual topic or make a reasonable argument. Much like that woman, you guys don’t even see me as a human being worthy of a human response. I’m just something that should be ridiculed, shouted down and silenced.

Thank you, and the rest like you for proving my point for me.

 

[kenetics]

I learned this first hand arguing with an extremely simple minded and confrontational acquaintance on Facebook once. She was one of those champagne Marxist constantly posting anti American, anti-western and anti capitalist sentiments, and one day I couldn’t help myself but reply to one of her public posts. So she began arguing with me how socialism gives people more dignity and capitalism was evil, and all that jazz... meanwhile Im here responding to her from Castro’s socialist Cuba where my wife and I just got back from waiting in line for cooking oil so I was really in the mood.

So it started off as very light sparring as I thought I might be able to offer her a different point of view without it getting personal, but unfortunately it quickly escalated into a heated exchange. I started completely dissecting her in every response to the point where I felt bad for her and said something like “I apologize if I’m being too harsh in presenting my argument”. I honestly felt that I had nothing to apologize for, but I could picture her crying as she was furiously typing her responses and I was really not looking to trigger or troll her at all, just point out that her views were oversimplified and that she was completely ignorant and out of touch with reality.

In her next response she accused me of being a sexist misogynistic racist white guy (despite race never being brought up once in the entire argument, despite my profile picture being of me with my mixed race wife and our mixed race child, and despite her herself being white and blond with blue eyes), and I never got a chance to respond because the next moment I was unfriended, blocked and her profile was forever hidden from me.

It’s not an exact comparison, but it reminded me a lot of the twitter outrage mobs that go after people who supposedly say or do something that doesn’t toe the line of the whole woke progressive agenda these days. The people that attempt to retract their statement or apologize in any way tend to get crucified and destroyed, whereas the people who just brush it off, don’t respond or just double down on their stance and “own it” (I fucken hate that expression lol) seem to fare much better.

It’s a really bizarre world we live in today where it seems that the only way to survive is either to
a.) just agree with the status quo
b.) keep your head down and say nothing, or
c.) go all in with the opposite argument with guns blazing

The option of trying to be the balanced voice of reason somewhere in the middle while trying not to offend anyone seems to be the worst one of all, despite the fact that to a normal person under normal circumstances this would be the most obvious and most sensible one. How did we get this way?

Too long, didn't read.

 

[Cid]

Your thread title should read "Debating politics on Facebook is a big mistake"

It has nothing to do with progressives.
No one likes to get their feelings and ideas on the world publicly "dissected" and being called ignorant, so Im not sure what response you were expecting.

People use Facebook to rant and vent, it is foolish to come in and try to "teach" them on that platform. These are conversations better had in person if you are trying to maintain relationships with these people.
Publicly calling out people on some deeply held view they have is just going to automatically make them defensive and make you look like an asshole.

If you're going to post political rants on your social media and then get defensive about it you're a bigger asshole.

Just an all round bitch move.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Yeah the ones that think they are smarter are basically 14 year old girls in their brains, and are unable to speak like grown adults have for the last couple thousand years. Weird, sad, and scary.

 

[tonni]

you guys don’t even see me as a human being worthy of a human response. I’m just something that should be ridiculed, shouted down and silenced.

I’m not going to argue here.

 

[Kforcer]

Tell her to hit me up. An Afghan Muslim who's had family and friends of family "dignified" by communists pulling their nails out.

Worker's Vanguard still supports the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Proudly. I talked to some of their members a few years back, well, more like over 10 years ago, I guess, and man, they seemed totally programmed. "Bloody capitalists", "cut throat Mujahideen" were phrases that kept getting repeated. Pointed to photos supposedly showing Afghan women armed with guns fighting in support of the Soviets.

 

[tramendous]

Worker's Vanguard still supports the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Proudly. I talked to some of their members a few years back, well, more like over 10 years ago, I guess, and man, they seemed totally programmed. "Bloody capitalists", "cut throat Mujahideen" were phrases that kept getting repeated. Pointed to photos supposedly showing Afghan women armed with guns fighting in support of the Soviets.

Lol 'these guys we're trying to exterminate are pretty cut-throat'.

 

[Kforcer]

Lol 'these guys we're trying to exterminate are pretty cut-throat'.

Yep, how dare they.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

They deserve only ridicule.

That's true of the extremes on both sides ....