Apologizing to an outraged progressive is a big mistake

Here's a thought: You pushed it with a woman acting irrationally, and the obvious thing happened to you.

"You never do the dishes. God, you're a terrible boyfriend...."

"Fucking communist bitch....."
 
As an outraged progressive I demand you apologize to us all right now for such a shitty thread.

Also I deem the person you argued with the winner as on account that they probably didn't get flustered enough to go on to a UFC forum and vent about it for 500 words.
 
forum poster said:
As an outraged progressive I demand you apologize to us all right now for such a shitty thread.

Also I deem the person you argued with as on account that they probably didn't get flustered enough to go on to a UFC forum and vent about it for 500 words.
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You don’t know this person, they were probably arguing 500 words per minute with their relentless social media outrage.

But ya I should have known better than to argue with such an air head just as I know better than to argue with you and your stupid avatar, but sometimes it’s just fun to remind preposterous people like that just how stupid they are.

Now do you have anything of substance to add to the actual topic or do you wanna just go back n forth insulting each other personally for a while?
 
she did you a favour by unfriend you. Keep it that way
 
JimmyFresno said:
People such as the woman you posted about desperately need to feel that they can look down on others.
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lol at this take away given the absolute fervor with which this alleged, anonymous (and conveniently straw-mannish) FB girl has been rabidly attacked and spat on by virtually every right-winger in this thread.
 
Yeah I figured out a long time ago that apologizing or giving ground in any way to someone who's unreasonable only makes them perceive it as weakness and brings forward more attacks and lunacy. In many instances they know, consciously or not, that they're being unreasonable. Thus any acceptance of unreasonable behaviour implies lack of self-respect on your part, which invites them to attack more and take more ground. It's almost like a 'weakness check'. They're barking and trying to intimidate you, checking if you'll let them get away with a bite, or if you'll put them in their place and shut them down.

Of course this also applies directly to work and romantic relationships, if you allow a small disrespect - it doesn't take much for things to escalate. For work, you just keep these people under control. For romantic relationships, I haven't polished my internal theory for it yet. I'm not sure if this tendency is generalized (everyone does it to some extent) or if this is more of a dispositional issue (specific problem people). I think that even if you "play" the correct moves i.e. allow no disrespect or undervaluation, the fact the girl is even shit-testing you is a red flag. She's fine and dandy as long as you constantly react and play the correct social moves. In this theory, that means all you have to do is avoid problem people. But I think a second theory is more likely: that even decent people are pretty shitty, and you have to inevitably get through a lot of shit tests in the beginning - to eventually settle into a moderate/sporadic amount of shit testing... It's not very optimistic.
 
Koro_11 said:
You don’t know this person, they were probably arguing 500 words per minute with their relentless social media outrage.

But ya I should have known better than to argue with such an air head just as I know better than to argue with you and your stupid avatar, but sometimes it’s just fun to remind preposterous people like that just how stupid they are.

Now do you have anything of substance to add to the actual topic or do you wanna just go back n forth insulting each other personally for a while?
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Renard said:
Yeah I figured out a long time ago that apologizing or giving ground in any way to someone who's unreasonable only makes them perceive it as weakness and brings forward more attacks and lunacy. In many instances they know, consciously or not, that they're being unreasonable. Thus any acceptance of unreasonable behaviour implies lack of self-respect on your part, which invites them to attack more and take more ground. It's almost like a 'weakness check'. They're barking and trying to intimidate you, checking if you'll let them get away with a bite, or if you'll put them in their place and shut them down.

Of course this also applies directly to work and romantic relationships, if you allow a small disrespect - it doesn't take much for things to escalate. For work, you just keep these people under control. For romantic relationships, I haven't polished my internal theory for it yet. I'm not sure if this tendency is generalized (everyone does it to some extent) or if this is more of a dispositional issue (specific problem people). I think that even if you "play" the correct moves i.e. allow no disrespect or undervaluation, the fact the girl is even shit-testing you is a red flag. She's fine and dandy as long as you constantly react and play the correct social moves. In this theory, that means all you have to do is avoid problem people. But I think a second theory is more likely: that even decent people are pretty shitty, and you have to inevitably get through a lot of shit tests in the beginning - to eventually settle into a moderate/sporadic amount of shit testing... It's not very optimistic.
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Ya the argument began with me thinking this is just a compassionate person who is simply misinformed and could benefit from some different points of view. But as the discussion escalated it became obvious that this was not someone who wanted to open their mind or try to meet in the middle, she simply saw me as less than human for having the audacity to disagree with her worldview and nothing I could say or do after that point would ever be good enough.

I was hoping the apology would calm her down a bit and we could try to work out some middle ground, but she clearly took it as a weakness and turned into a piranha who smells blood in the water. It was really sad, she probably saw me backing off a bit as a victory of some sort, but I genuinely just felt sorry for her but more for the state of humanity and everyone who has to deal with such people on a daily basis. Thankfully I’m a self employed contractor and I don’t have to deal with all the pc nonsense or please anyone, but I really feel bad for people who need to deal with this type of stuff in the workplace and whose careers and livelihoods depend on nodding their head at lunatics out of fear of being attacked and ganged up on by these piranhas.
 
you just got to ignore those folks. I've got a white friend that's uber liberal, and the stuff he posts on FB, he's got a serious case of TDS. I just unfollow his posts, it really clutters my feed. He'll always be a friend to me, but online he's quite toxic. I have no urge to have online disputes with friends or family, we can talk with a beer or something, and I can roast them in private.
 
ultramanhyata said:
lol at this take away given the absolute fervor with which this alleged, anonymous (and conveniently straw-mannish) FB girl has been rabidly attacked and spat on by virtually every right-winger in this thread.
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If the shoe fits...
 
Trollolololololo
Koro_11 said:
I learned this first hand arguing with an extremely simple minded and confrontational acquaintance on Facebook once. She was one of those champagne Marxist constantly posting anti American, anti-western and anti capitalist sentiments, and one day I couldn’t help myself but reply to one of her public posts. So she began arguing with me how socialism gives people more dignity and capitalism was evil, and all that jazz... meanwhile Im here responding to her from Castro’s socialist Cuba where my wife and I just got back from waiting in line for cooking oil so I was really in the mood.

So it started off as very light sparring as I thought I might be able to offer her a different point of view without it getting personal, but unfortunately it quickly escalated into a heated exchange. I started completely dissecting her in every response to the point where I felt bad for her and said something like “I apologize if I’m being too harsh in presenting my argument”. I honestly felt that I had nothing to apologize for, but I could picture her crying as she was furiously typing her responses and I was really not looking to trigger or troll her at all, just point out that her views were oversimplified and that she was completely ignorant and out of touch with reality.

In her next response she accused me of being a sexist misogynistic racist white guy (despite race never being brought up once in the entire argument, despite my profile picture being of me with my mixed race wife and our mixed race child, and despite her herself being white and blond with blue eyes), and I never got a chance to respond because the next moment I was unfriended, blocked and her profile was forever hidden from me.

It’s not an exact comparison, but it reminded me a lot of the twitter outrage mobs that go after people who supposedly say or do something that doesn’t toe the line of the whole woke progressive agenda these days. The people that attempt to retract their statement or apologize in any way tend to get crucified and destroyed, whereas the people who just brush it off, don’t respond or just double down on their stance and “own it” (I fucken hate that expression lol) seem to fare much better.

It’s a really bizarre world we live in today where it seems that the only way to survive is either to
a.) just agree with the status quo
b.) keep your head down and say nothing, or
c.) go all in with the opposite argument with guns blazing

The option of trying to be the balanced voice of reason somewhere in the middle while trying not to offend anyone seems to be the worst one of all, despite the fact that to a normal person under normal circumstances this would be the most obvious and most sensible one. How did we get this way?
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Jesus Christ, that's far too long of a post for me to be arsed to agree with you. Tighten up your game, OP.
 
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Koro_11 said:
Ya the argument began with me thinking this is just a compassionate person who is simply misinformed and could benefit from some different points of view. But as the discussion escalated it became obvious that this was not someone who wanted to open their mind or try to meet in the middle, she simply saw me as less than human for having the audacity to disagree with her worldview and nothing I could say or do after that point would ever be good enough.

I was hoping the apology would calm her down a bit and we could try to work out some middle ground, but she clearly took it as a weakness and turned into a piranha who smells blood in the water. It was really sad, she probably saw me backing off a bit as a victory of some sort, but I genuinely just felt sorry for her but more for the state of humanity and everyone who has to deal with such people on a daily basis. Thankfully I’m a self employed contractor and I don’t have to deal with all the pc nonsense or please anyone, but I really feel bad for people who need to deal with this type of stuff in the workplace and whose careers and livelihoods depend on nodding their head at lunatics out of fear of being attacked and ganged up on by these piranhas.
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Yeah the piranha smelling blood in the water is the perfect analogy for their behaviour.
 
You’re missing out on the human experience when confusing Facebook with real life.

Tell her to her face.
 
Don't say shit you don't believe and you never have to apologize. If you apologize about your beliefs, you're a pussy.
 
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