Opinion AOC = Trump of the Left.

[Andy Capp]

Well she's not tilting her party to the extremes. Fifty years ago everyone agreed with her economic platform, now virtually no one does. America has went so far to the right where a center left person from the 60's(on economics) is seen as an extremist. She's not more far left than Bernie but people also are using her youth and way she speaks as a way to slander her, not very easy to slander her on the facts. 70% top tax rate is common sense, to not agree with that is to agree with Reagan's treasonus reversal of that policy which was an intentional attempt to underfund the government. The planet being screwed in 12 years again is referencing scientists who say if we don't fix the problem by then we are probably screwed to a certain extent especially by the previously established 2 degree standard of being screwed. Trump on the other hand has been wrong on virtually every policy and the one's he's been right on he's had people around him work 24/7 to get a retraction(look at Syria, look at anti free trade which is a complex issue but being uniformally pro free trade is wrong). So on facts comparing Trump to AOC is just wrong because she does stay loyal to the facts. That line she gave to AC might seem anti fact but it doesn't correlate with her actually saying false things.

AOC is an inexperienced congresswoman, probably unqualified but you know she's still right on policy and like what 80-90% of the Congres are different degrees of economically conservative? We can't be picky because we've had to fight a war to get like a dozen real politicans who don't support the insurance industry and who don't support debt reduction. She was even citing MMT and I'll take that, when no one else more qulified on paper is.

Fascinating. I had to do some reading to get an understanding of MMT. When you consider that, a lot of what she has been saying makes far more sense. The issue is, aside from millennials, it will be a problem of getting people to understand without reading 2000 word essays.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Maybe I need to clarify. I am not saying they are similar persons or share similar experiences. I am saying they are very comparable in their approach and impact on their respective parties.

I would say that AOC is the type of candidate that has come about organically from what has developed in the US and Trump is an opportunist who was able to identify an opportunity from what had developed.

I don't see any other reasonable pararalles.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

They gave her zero coverage when she was running. It was only after she won her primary(which in NYC is basically the same as winning the election) where people started covering her.

Trump got coverage from the moment his feet hit that escalator.

Excellent point.

 

[ferrisjso]

Fascinating. I had to do some reading to get an understanding of MMT. When you consider that, a lot of what she has been saying makes far more sense. The issue is, aside from millennials, it will be a problem of getting people to understand without reading 2000 word essays.

I sadly agree with the difficulty it will be spreading the idea even on the left people have been conditioned to structure their arguments around paying for stuff(and these arguments are pretty good within that limit but they are still within that limit and making things like single payer harder to argue for). The pay as you go vote a purely Democratic vote shows where the party stands on MMT, 3 for like 200+against. We've got work to do.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Too bad the world is going to end before dems get the chance to elect her.

 

[Happy Man]

Again no substance. It's a fact. That tax system built this country. The Reagan system destroyed it show some respect to the economic plans that created the country that "again" on your stupid hat refers to(unless you are referring to the Great Depression). Most successful economic policy in American history that's responsible for more of the positive stuff in your life than you can ever know.

David Hogg is a gun control activist. I am not commenting on gun control nor do you know my positions are exactly the same as his.

So you think people actually paid 70% taxes? The rate was there, but nobody paid that much. It was worked around.

What built this nation was a strong industrial/manufacturing base which created the worlds largest middle class. Not high taxation.

 

[Da Speeit]

Yea I agree with you

All the free Airtime she gets combined with the fact people want a fuck you candidate makes me think she is going to be president in the not too distant future

I think shes sexy as well

What the fuck is wrong with you people

 

[58miles]

At this point we don't know what AOC is she's only been in the House a month so everyone needs to calm down.

 

[Captain Davis]

Bad comparison imo seeing as she isn't a giant walking trashbag filled with reactionary slop

That’s my only real knock on Trump. He’s so reactionary when attacked. He just immediately pops off without thinking. I’m sure he regrets those comments about McCain getting captured.

He’s gotten a bit better, but I’d like to see him take the high road more.

 

[ferrisjso]

So you think people actually paid 70% taxes? The rate was there, but nobody paid that much. It was worked around.

What built this nation was a strong industrial/manufacturing base which created the worlds largest middle class. Not high taxation.

Well as AOC said it's 70% on income past the number in the bracket. That's a misunderstanding. Also deductions are still there rather 70% with deductions than 39.6% with deductions. Also the brackets were set up much more fairly with super rich people and upper middle class people being taxed different, now the rich use the overtaxed white collar class as a hostage to protect their interest.

And the tax rate is largely responsible for that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lol, I haven’t posted in this thread for hours. Beside, the initial comment was relevant to the OP. But if you’re so worried about it why reinsert the topic? Why not let it die?

Just wanted to call out your terrible posting. Mission accomplished.

 

[Travis17]

Well as AOC said it's 70% on income past the number in the bracket. That's a misunderstanding. Also deductions are still there rather 70% with deductions than 39.6% with deductions. Also the brackets were set up much more fairly with super rich people and upper middle class people being taxed different, now the rich use the overtaxed white collar class as a hostage to protect their interest.

And the tax rate is largely responsible for that.

That tax rate still wouldn't pay for all the programs you were talking about earlier.

You're also insane for saying that anyone who isn't pro universal health care is pro murder and that climate change denial is treasonous.

 

[Gunny]

Just wanted to call out your terrible posting. Mission accomplished.

<Lmaoo>

 

[kpt018]

That’s my only real knock on Trump. He’s so reactionary when attacked. He just immediately pops off without thinking. I’m sure he regrets those comments about McCain getting captured.

He’s gotten a bit better, but I’d like to see him take the high road more.

Do you realize that personality flaw is a critical one for a president? That's what people are referring to when they say he doesn't have the temperament to be president. We want calm, rational reactions not fly off the handle braindead shit.

 

[jamel]

Only way to stop her is to find proof of her harming small fluffy animals.

Like a baby seal or a capybara.

 

[ferrisjso]

That tax rate still wouldn't pay for all the programs you were talking about earlier.

You're also insane for saying that anyone who isn't pro universal health care is pro murder and that climate change denial is treasonous.

First off you don't need to pay and yes it would.

Well insurance companies business model is murder so do the math. Shows how people would view murder if it wasn't announced as such by the press. Climate change denial is the most clear cut example of treason in American history, you are undermining the response to a society threatening emergency. Doesn't get more treasonous than that and if that emergency was an enemy invasion you'd have no problem seeing that, issue is a lot of the public needs to see a threat and it need to be instant or else they go into conspiracy mode.

 

[Travis17]

First off you don't need to pay and yes it would.

Well insurance companies business model is murder so do the math. Shows how people would view murder if it wasn't announced as such by the press. Climate change denial is the most clear cut example of treason in American history, you are undermining the response to a society threatening emergency. Doesn't get more treasonous than that and if that emergency was an enemy invasion you'd have no problem seeing that, issue is a lot of the public needs to see a threat and it need to be instant or else they go into conspiracy mode.

First of all I said we couldn't afford universal health care. That doesn't make me a murderer because people without insurance can die from no treatment. Second I simply asked questions about climate change and humanity's effects on it. We still don't have any real evidence that it's man made, or if it is, then how much of it is man made. Lunatics like yourself turn this debate into an ideology or belief system, which ruins the pursuit for the truth and scientific method. Can you imagine what would happen if a scientist came out and said he could prove humanity has no impact on the environment or it is minuscule? He'd have his career ruined by deranged leftists that "believe" in climate change being man made. Same with a lot of these social issues in our society. Basically politics ruins the scientific pursuit of knowledge and truth.

At the end of the day you can't prove a 70% tax rate would pay for all of the programs you leftists what to institute. Like I said earlier, and you proved with your response to me, you turn what is suppose to be good will into self-destruction and you demand it of everyone else, so everyone ends up equally miserable.

 

[Captain Davis]

Do you realize that personality flaw is a critical one for a president? That's what people are referring to when they say he doesn't have the temperament to be president. We want calm, rational reactions not fly off the handle braindead shit.

I get that. That’s something he has to get control of. I think he has gotten better, but he’s got a long way to go. Again, he’s not a seasoned politician, that was what I liked about him.

Also, don’t think politicians don’t feel the same way he does over issues important to them. They just know how to play the game and/or have dozens of handlers telling them what to say or do.

 

[ferrisjso]

First of all I said we couldn't afford universal health care. That doesn't make me a murderer because people without insurance can die from no treatment. Second I simply asked questions about climate change and humanity's effects on it. We still don't have any real evidence that it's man made, or if it is, then how much of it is man made. Lunatics like yourself turn this debate into an ideology or belief system, which ruins the pursuit for the truth and scientific method. Can you imagine what would happen if a scientist came out and said he could prove humanity has no impact on the environment or it is minuscule? He'd have his career ruined by deranged leftists that "believe" in climate change being man made. Same with a lot of these social issues in our society. Basically politics ruins the scientific pursuit of knowledge and truth.

At the end of the day you can't prove a 70% tax rate would pay for all of the programs you leftists what to institute. Like I said earlier, and you proved with your response to me, you turn what is suppose to be good will into self-destruction and you demand it of everyone else, so everyone is equally miserable.

But that's false even ignoring MMT. It makes you an advocate for murder, not a murderer but in a democracy the advocates for murder have a large say in it continuing. There's many ways the insurance industry kills that's one of them, they can kill by coercing people not to use their insurance with expensive copays and deductibles, they can kill by denying claims or only approving cheaper treatments, they can kill by premium increases making insurance impossible to afford.

Stop endorsing killing my people and I can be very reasonable. Instead you're endorsing the slaughter of Americans. Don't we intervene when other countries do that shit?

The scientist hypoethical is cute. We believe in something happening because it is happening. Is this sort of logic applied to religion by the right?

 

[Captain Davis]

First of all I said we couldn't afford universal health care. That doesn't make me a murderer because people without insurance can die from no treatment. Second I simply asked questions about climate change and humanity's effects on it. We still don't have any real evidence that it's man made, or if it is, then how much of it is man made. Lunatics like yourself turn this debate into an ideology or belief system, which ruins the pursuit for the truth and scientific method. Can you imagine what would happen if a scientist came out and said he could prove humanity has no impact on the environment or it is minuscule? He'd have his career ruined by deranged leftists that "believe" in climate change being man made. Same with a lot of these social issues in our society. Basically politics ruins the scientific pursuit of knowledge and truth.

At the end of the day you can't prove a 70% tax rate would pay for all of the programs you leftists what to institute. Like I said earlier, and you proved with your response to me, you turn what is suppose to be good will into self-destruction and you demand it of everyone else, so everyone ends up equally miserable.

This. These climate change end of time folks crack me up.

I’d love to see the reaction in this country if the government imposed a 70% tax on us. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind it. It’s time for a shake up. I’m ready to draw some definite lines in America.