Anyone know about this Coach and gym?

[GuardGame]

Anybody know the lineage of Allan Goes?

Oh! I better not ask as people will think I'm calling him out! I should drive up to his gym and ask him directly... Please..

If somebody asked me about my lineage I would never deem it as them calling me out. I would simply answer the question. No hard feelings

 

[GuardGame]

Better edit your post to correct "to" to "too" since you were trying to be all cool with the school shit.

Also, what do you care what I care about?

He had the opportunities to call this dude on the phone, visit his gym, maybe leave a comment on his website or their fb page. Did he? No he went onto a public forum and asked here first. I consider that calling someone out.

Haha I do t need to be cool or try to be on an Internet forum dude.

Also, was just a simple question out of curiosity. I'm not calling you out or anything.

Don't ask any questions about anybody or anything grappling related on this forum ever again guys. There are other places you can look for your answers. Like calling a Bjj instructor or posting on fb. Don't want anybody getting the wrong idea !

 

[ElKarlo]

For real man. I guess you didn't read why I asked. I moved to the area. His gym is 4 miles from my house. I saw his site and saw things that seemed questionable to me. That's why I asked about the guy. I didn't say that he was a scammer. I just saw things that I felt as a prospective student needed answering. Learn to read man. You're almost as bad as cholo

 

[Balto]

I promise, this isn't really directed at you but...

In the however many years he has had his black belt then, why haven't you looked into him? Why did you not start a thread about him months or years ago?

Wasn't his path to black belt interesting then say 3 years ago too?

No, it wasn't interesting three years ago. You know why? Because he wasn't a black belt then. He wasn't even a blue belt then.

That's why this whole thing is unique. He has been a second degree black belt for like 1.5 years now. He has never been a first degree black belt, a zero degree black belt, or any other belt for that matter.

Does that not seem different to you?

If this was all known and out in the open, why didn't you post to clear it up earlier?

If that North Carolina guy thread was so interesting to you, why are you posting way more in this thread?

C'mon son!

 

[Balto]

And I hate to keep re-hashing this same shit with Balto but why aren't you guys jumping his ass? He knew about all of this shit beforehand but was too afraid to be the dude who rocked the boat, so basically he condoned this rape shit that you guys are now crusading for.

I did not "know about all of this shit beforehand". I knew about the articles from Lloyd's 1989 rape case. That's it.

I did not know that Lloyd was telling his guys the victim was a dirty whore, that he was paying for the defense lawyers in the NYE case while simultaneously feigning support for the victim, that he was going to buy a ton of rape related domain names to hide all of this, that he was making sexual advances on his female students, that DJ Jackson was also charged in a sexual assault, etc etc etc.

I think I knew about less than 10% of "all of this shit beforehand". That's why the whole thing blew up the way it did. Guys knew bits and pieces, but no one knew the big picture because Lloyd was good at keeping stuff separate and people in the dark.

I should have spoken up about the rape thing earlier. But let's be honest here too -- with just that information, you'd have given Lloyd a pass. Even with the other 90%+ of the terrible stuff that Lloyd has done now documented, you're still knighting to Leave Lloyd Alone.

C'mon son!

 

[Balto]

He had the opportunities to call this dude on the phone, visit his gym, maybe leave a comment on his website or their fb page. Did he? No he went onto a public forum and asked here first. I consider that calling someone out.

How dare he ask a question about grappling on this forum!

Question: why didn't you post in this "call out" thread?
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/relson-gracie-red-belt-how-2437817/

I posted in it, even though it had nothing to do with Lloyd Irvin. Why didn't you?

Why are you giving this thread so much more attention than the Relson thread? Relson has been a black belt for much longer than 1.5 years. Why are you not even more indignant that someone would have a question about Relson?

See how silly these questions are?

 

[lechien]

If anyone has been following the TLI threads or discussions...

In his opening post, he mentioned what, the lloyd style site, the use of the word master, and getting his black belt from Dalla.

But no, it's only about his certificate from the IBJJF. Okay.

He wasn't asking an innocent question (as shown by the lack of any interest in the other thread about the bjj black belt and ex-special forces guy.) He was asking a loaded question and if this guy should be looked into like anyone else associated with Lloyd Irvin. Come on now, don't play coy.

THEN you explain to us how he went straight to BB second degrees with a nice IBJJF certificate?

WHO signed his application?

 

[TheBJJRonin]

WOW! First let me say that I appreciate all the hype! lol

Guys, it's simple. I have been "Practicing BJJ" for over 20 years. I have been in the scene for a long time and have many connections and friends in the BJJ community who can easily confirm my ranking in BJJ.

While I never had a BJJ instructor, I have both trained with and competed in BJJ with some of the best in the world. Although I practiced BJJ all the time, I never claimed to teach BJJ in the past since I did not have an Instructor and I knew that would be fraudulent.

I met Leo Dalla about 8 years ago at this point and have trained with him and his team from time to time. Because of threads like these, I approached Leo Dalla 2 years ago about earning an official rank in BJJ. I didn't pay Dalla a dime for his help. He told me that he believed I was worthy of a 2nd Degree Black Belt and that he would help me get certified through the IBJJF. So with his help, thats what I did.

NOW I claim to teach BJJ because I AM a Certified 2nd Degree BJJ Black Belt under the only REAL BJJ federation there is. I use the word "Certified" on my website because of threads like these. I don't hide anything from anyone. I put my WHOLE story on my website so people will know right away what the deal is.

I am NOT a black Belt in something I never trained in. I have put countless hours of sweat and blood in training BJJ for over 20 years. Just because I didn't have a BJJ instructor doesn't mean I have never trained BJJ.

I know it is a waste of time to try to convince anyone of my experience and ability to teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I openly invite anyone to come try my Academy out for free. If you have anything bad or negative to say after doing so I will openly take your criticism. On the flip side, I would appreciate your testimony if you come to train and then realize how foolish this all is. I have no hard feelings toward any of you guys. If you want to come check us out I kindly welcome you. We have a great team and training environment for ANYONE to come train with. I can GUARANTEE that you will have a great experience and different opinion after training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with our team at the Clinch Academy in Frederick Maryland.

Hopefully just to wrap this forum up...

In the end. I hope most of your questions were answered. I wanted to share the final story with you in 20 quick notes...

1. I started training in Martial Arts when I was 5 with my Father who taught out of our home. I trained in Tang Soo Do, Jujitsu, Kenpo and Kickboxing.
2. I have trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu intensely since 1992.
3. I did not have a BJJ Instructor but my Father and I started with Gracie Video Tapes. (this was before the UFC began. There were not any BJJ schools any where near me)
4. in 1997 my Father and I eventually opened a School known as Self-Defense Tactics.
5. I began training and teaching on my own in 2000.
6. In 2003 I started the Clinch Academy. (I had been training BJJ for 11 years at this point)
7. In 2003 & 2004 I won the NAGA Pro Grappling division
8. In 2005 I met Leo Dalla through a student of mine.
9. I 2005 I lost a 10 minute Super Fight Against Pablo Popovich by decision.
10. In 2005 I got married and started a family.
11. We have had 3 kids since.
12. In 2011 I spoke to Leo Dalla about how I could get certified in BJJ.
13. In 2011 I trained with his team and competed in the NY Open Black Belt Division and took 2nd place losing to Paul Schriener. (1st comp in 6 years.)
14 In 20011 I became certified through the IBJJF as a 2nd Degree Black Belt in BJJ with the guidance and validation from Leo Dalla.
15. I paid Leo Dalla $0 for his help and validation.
16. Leo Dalla makes $0 from me still.
17. Leo Dalla is an incredible BJJ competitor, Instructor and runs a very ethical business. Dalla is a great guy and i don't want anyone to think little of him.
18. I do have my 2nd Degree BJJ certificate both from the USBJJF and the IBJJF at the Clinch Academy.
19. I know and train with other well known BJJ Black Belts regularly.
20. The guy who started this thread visited my school and had a great experience.

I am just trying to answer your questions for you. If anyone is still skeptical after all this, I hope you do as Karl did and just come visit our school for yourself. I am sure you will enjoy it and I would graciously welcome you to come train.

Thanks Guys!

 

[Alonbenav]

Hopefully just to wrap this forum up...
12. In 2011 I spoke to Leo Dalla about how I could get certified in BJJ.

14 In 20011 I became certified through the IBJJF as a 2nd Degree Black Belt in BJJ with the guidance and validation from Leo Dalla.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the 12 and 14 are what I still don't understand. I get that they happened, I now know the timeline, but what exactly precipitated your certification as a 2nd degree black belt?

I don't think anyone is saying you don't have black-belt level skills or anything like that. I just legitimately don't understand how it happened, since it seems to go against the rules of the organization that certified you. That's all.

 

[walril]

Hopefully just to wrap this forum up...

In the end. I hope most of your questions were answered. I wanted to share the final story with you in 20 quick notes...

1. I started training in Martial Arts when I was 5 with my Father who taught out of our home. I trained in Tang Soo Do, Jujitsu, Kenpo and Kickboxing.
2. I have trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu intensely since 1992.
3. I did not have a BJJ Instructor but my Father and I started with Gracie Video Tapes. (this was before the UFC began. There were not any BJJ schools any where near me)
4. in 1997 my Father and I eventually opened a School known as Self-Defense Tactics.
5. I began training and teaching on my own in 2000.
6. In 2003 I started the Clinch Academy. (I had been training BJJ for 11 years at this point)
7. In 2003 & 2004 I won the NAGA Pro Grappling division
8. In 2005 I met Leo Dalla through a student of mine.
9. I 2005 I lost a 10 minute Super Fight Against Pablo Popovich by decision.
10. In 2005 I got married and started a family.
11. We have had 3 kids since.
12. In 2011 I spoke to Leo Dalla about how I could get certified in BJJ.
13. In 2011 I trained with his team and competed in the NY Open Black Belt Division and took 2nd place losing to Paul Schriener. (1st comp in 6 years.)
14 In 20011 I became certified through the IBJJF as a 2nd Degree Black Belt in BJJ with the guidance and validation from Leo Dalla.
15. I paid Leo Dalla $0 for his help and validation.
16. Leo Dalla makes $0 from me still.
17. Leo Dalla is an incredible BJJ competitor, Instructor and runs a very ethical business. Dalla is a great guy and i don't want anyone to think little of him.
18. I do have my 2nd Degree BJJ certificate both from the USBJJF and the IBJJF at the Clinch Academy.
19. I know and train with other well known BJJ Black Belts regularly.
20. The guy who started this thread visited my school and had a great experience.

I am just trying to answer your questions for you. If anyone is still skeptical after all this, I hope you do as Karl did and just come visit our school for yourself. I am sure you will enjoy it and I would graciously welcome you to come train.

Thanks Guys!

Awesome Luke.

I can't speak for anyone else, but the 12 and 14 are what I still don't understand. I get that they happened, I now know the timeline, but what exactly precipitated your certification as a 2nd degree black belt?

I don't think anyone is saying you don't have black-belt level skills or anything like that. I just legitimately don't understand how it happened, since it seems to go against the rules of the organization that certified you. That's all.

You mean the same organization that has Rorion Gracie as a Red belt even though by age he's not qualified to get it? Or how about UFC veterans who are all of a sudden awarded black belts.

Someone validated that he is at that level. That validation occurred by someone respected and himself validated by the IBJJF.

I'm still not sure which part you're confused with. He has the time requirements as outlined by the IBJJF.

With that said, can anyone with 11+ years of BJJ experience get a 2nd BB in BJJ if they have a 3rd degree+ sign off on it. I would imagine that its possible, but highly unlikely since they would have their name associated with it. There is something to be said for vouching for someone at that level. They best bring their A game. Ive rolled with both (although I don't know if Luke remembers me back then) and can attest that both are well well skilled.

 

[Alonbenav]

You mean the same organization that has Rorion Gracie as a Red belt even though by age he's not qualified to get it? Or how about UFC veterans who are all of a sudden awarded black belts.

Someone validated that he is at that level. That validation occurred by someone respected and himself validated by the IBJJF.

I'm still not sure which part you're confused with. He has the time requirements as outlined by the IBJJF.

With that said, can anyone with 11+ years of BJJ experience get a 2nd BB in BJJ if they have a 3rd degree+ sign off on it. I would imagine that its possible, but highly unlikely since they would have their name associated with it. There is something to be said for vouching for someone at that level. They best bring their A game. Ive rolled with both (although I don't know if Luke remembers me back then) and can attest that both are well well skilled.

Rorion is not listed as a Red Belt by the IBJJF.

Luke does not meet the requirements set forth by the IBJJF. From the IBJJF:

 

[walril]

Its cool. Doesn't have to make sense. You either accept it for what it is or don't. Train with him or not. There are tons of things in BJJ that doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. Do I think he's legit. Absolutely. No need trying to understand what you choose not to understand.

 

[Chulo**]

Its cool. Doesn't have to make sense. You either accept it for what it is or don't. Train with him or not. There are tons of things in BJJ that doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. Do I think he's legit. Absolutely. No need trying to understand what you choose not to understand.

i still dont know why people like him feel like they deserve an explanation for anything they question.

don't worry about this person homie. he's one of the few around here who like to get on people's tip like they run something around here. im pretty sure you can prove your legitimacy on the mats against him any day.

 

[Alonbenav]

Its cool. Doesn't have to make sense. You either accept it for what it is or don't. Train with him or not. There are tons of things in BJJ that doesn't make sense, but it is what it is. Do I think he's legit. Absolutely. No need trying to understand what you choose not to understand.

What a cop out.

Yeah, we definitely should not question things we don't understand. Critical reasoning is STUPID.



If you can't understand why this is an point of interest to the BJJ community, I can't help you. Good luck with your training.

 

[TheBJJRonin]

Rorion is not listed as a Red Belt by the IBJJF.

Luke does not meet the requirements set forth by the IBJJF. From the IBJJF:

 

[Unipres]

When I inquired about becoming officially ranked under the IBJJF I told them my situation. I inquired about getting a second degree black belt because Leo Dalla told me that he would recognize me as a Black Belt for as long as he knew me which was 6 years at the time. He believed that when we first met back in 2005 and when I first trained at his school with him and his students that I was all ready at the Black Belt level. If there is a 3rd degree ranked black belt wanting to get their rank recognized under the IBJJF they are not going to start them at Black Belt and make them work their way back up to 3rd degree 6 years later. If they have a black belt professor 2 degrees or higher who is in good standing with the IBJJF and can recognize them as a 3rd degree all ready then that is where they will be. When I inquired about getting my 2nd degree they said that they would recognize it as long as I had an established and recognized professor or master like Leo Dalla whom I practiced Jiu-Jitsu with that could sign my application to validate that I should be recognized as a 2nd degree black belt through the federation. Leo Dalla had no financial gain or incentive for doing this. He is just an honest man who understood my situation and wanted to see me get credit for my Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu training and hard work.

I was all ready registered (not certified) as a Black Belt under the IBJJF before I inquired or received my certification. I had all ready competed as a Black Belt in the NY Open and got 2nd place after a 6 year lay off from any competition. I am CPR and First Aid Certified and have attended the referee Courses.

My situation is different, I know but I have met all the requirements that were given me. I hope that you all can come to grips with the idea that it can be possible for me to actually be a LEGIT 2nd degree Black Belt even though I learned primarily on my own. There are plenty of other LEGIT BJJ Black Belts who would speak the same of me. After all, wasn't BJJ founded by a man who learned and developed a new jiu-jitsu style on his own? That's the beauty of jiu-jitsu, if what you do works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't. Everyone will know and you can't hide it. The mat doesn't lie. I have worked to prove myself for many years and I think I have as an artist, an instructor and as a competitor in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Thanks for hearing me out and giving me the opportunity to tell my story.

Perhaps you should write a book on how to get your BB without an instructor? I read an interesting article about Rafael Lovato Jr. and a similar challenge. http://bjjtoday.net/mastering-bjj-without-an-instructor/

There are still quite a few folks who live 100+ miles from the nearest gym, still train and wish for a legit path.

 

[lechien]

Thank for the reply.
Once again we are just trying to understand how the ibjjf works.
We are judging your skills.

Ibjjf would take anyone money and will register at any belt level.
So send your 35 dollars and get your bb membership card. The fun starts when you want the certificate.

 

[ElKarlo]

BTW Luke I would post what you put in this thread here http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27083

I posted a positive review, but no one else with any posts did. So, it's help you out if you had your story there too.

And yeah the IBJJF, the more I learn about it, the less it all makes sense.

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

When I inquired about becoming officially ranked under the IBJJF I told them my situation. I inquired about getting a second degree black belt because Leo Dalla told me that he would recognize me as a Black Belt for as long as he knew me which was 6 years at the time. He believed that when we first met back in 2005 and when I first trained at his school with him and his students that I was all ready at the Black Belt level. If there is a 3rd degree ranked black belt wanting to get their rank recognized under the IBJJF they are not going to start them at Black Belt and make them work their way back up to 3rd degree 6 years later. If they have a black belt professor 2 degrees or higher who is in good standing with the IBJJF and can recognize them as a 3rd degree all ready then that is where they will be. When I inquired about getting my 2nd degree they said that they would recognize it as long as I had an established and recognized professor or master like Leo Dalla whom I practiced Jiu-Jitsu with that could sign my application to validate that I should be recognized as a 2nd degree black belt through the federation. Leo Dalla had no financial gain or incentive for doing this. He is just an honest man who understood my situation and wanted to see me get credit for my Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu training and hard work.

I was all ready registered (not certified) as a Black Belt under the IBJJF before I inquired or received my certification. I had all ready competed as a Black Belt in the NY Open and got 2nd place after a 6 year lay off from any competition. I am CPR and First Aid Certified and have attended the referee Courses.

My situation is different, I know but I have met all the requirements that were given me. I hope that you all can come to grips with the idea that it can be possible for me to actually be a LEGIT 2nd degree Black Belt even though I learned primarily on my own. There are plenty of other LEGIT BJJ Black Belts who would speak the same of me. After all, wasn't BJJ founded by a man who learned and developed a new jiu-jitsu style on his own? That's the beauty of jiu-jitsu, if what you do works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't. Everyone will know and you can't hide it. The mat doesn't lie. I have worked to prove myself for many years and I think I have as an artist, an instructor and as a competitor in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Thanks for hearing me out and giving me the opportunity to tell my story.

Thank you for coming and laying everything out in the open, showing that you don't have anything to hide. Your explanation clears up the questions I had.

Congratulations on achieving so much through such an unconventional path. It shows great ability and determination.