Anyone know about this Coach and gym?

[The Apostle]

Bump, edited my OP. Went to the gym, and had a really good experience.

So all is good then? His rolling and teaching ability satisfy the EKBJJF (el karlo brazilian jiu-jitsu federation) requirements? Are you satisfied with the IBJJF handling it the way they did? How was his rolling ability?

You called the dude out, you can't just edit your op and go, solid guy, well run gym.

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

Bump, edited my OP. Went to the gym, and had a really good experience.

Cool. I'm glad to hear you had a good experience.

In talking to Luke, did you happen to find out any info that might answer some of the questions people have. (e.g., Does he have both a certificate and a membership card? What makes him a "2nd degree" instead of just a black belt? Is there a reason he didn't train at a BJJ academy?)

I figure you probably spent more time rolling than interrogating the guy. But any insight you can share would be great to hear.

 

[ElKarlo]

So all is good then? His rolling and teaching ability satisfy the EKBJJF (el karlo brazilian jiu-jitsu federation) requirements? Are you satisfied with the IBJJF handling it the way they did? How was his rolling ability?

You called the dude out, you can't just edit your op and go, solid guy, well run gym.

Or, I just did. I didn't delete anything from my OP. I am not hiding anything. He is a good guy and has a good gym. I also should apologize for calling him out in such a fashion.

 

[ElKarlo]

Cool. I'm glad to hear you had a good experience.

In talking to Luke, did you happen to find out any info that might answer some of the questions people have. (e.g., Does he have both a certificate and a membership card? What makes him a "2nd degree" instead of just a black belt? Is there a reason he didn't train at a BJJ academy?)

I figure you probably spent more time rolling than interrogating the guy. But any insight you can share would be great to hear.

I didn't talk about his certs. I saw it at the gym.

He told me how he trained a SD heavy style with his dad, that was essentially NHB back in the early 90's. Then they started buying Gracie VHS back in '92, and started incorporating BJJ inot their style. He then separated striking from rolling, and was essentially doing BJJ after a while.

 

[Balto]

So all is good then? His rolling and teaching ability satisfy the EKBJJF (el karlo brazilian jiu-jitsu federation) requirements? Are you satisfied with the IBJJF handling it the way they did? How was his rolling ability?

You called the dude out, you can't just edit your op and go, solid guy, well run gym.

I don't see where he called him out. He just wanted to know what was up with the guy because he'd never heard of him before and some of the details were missing.

I mean if a guy you'd never heard of said he went straight to second degree black belt in the IBJJF (as far as I know the only time this has ever happened), wouldn't you have some questions too?

Luke came on here and was cool about clearing some of the stuff up. So ElKarlo checked out the gym and had a good experience. Seems pretty standard to me.

Overall Luke got some free press for his gym, and now if it ever comes up again people on here will know what the deal is. I think that is a pretty positive outcome.

I know there are still some questions on the exact mechanics of the IBJJF promotion that happened, but I don't see how ElKarlo would know the answers. I doubt he spent the class interrogating him about the IBJJF procedures. He probably just trained and rolled and had a good time.

 

[anaconda]

So all is good then? His rolling and teaching ability satisfy the EKBJJF (el karlo brazilian jiu-jitsu federation) requirements? Are you satisfied with the IBJJF handling it the way they did? How was his rolling ability?

You called the dude out, you can't just edit your op and go, solid guy, well run gym.

wtf are you talking about? he was curious about the guy, and his background is definitely non-traditional. He asked, and then went to the gym to check it out. He updated accordingly.

What is your problem exactly?

 

[GuardGame]

So all is good then? His rolling and teaching ability satisfy the EKBJJF (el karlo brazilian jiu-jitsu federation) requirements? Are you satisfied with the IBJJF handling it the way they did? How was his rolling ability?

You called the dude out, you can't just edit your op and go, solid guy, well run gym.

Do you have shit reading comprehension too?

At what point did he say something to the effect of; "Luke, your lineage seems fucked, sup with that?"

He didn't.

He asked a question without hostility and got it answered without hostility. I'm sure if he was being a dick about asking this question he would not have invited him to his academy for a friendly training session.

If I asked a friendly question about the lineage of Roy Harris on here would I too be calling him out?

Stay in school dude.

 

[The Apostle]

wtf are you talking about? he was curious about the guy, and his background is definitely non-traditional. He asked, and then went to the gym to check it out. He updated accordingly.

What is your problem exactly?

My problem is people like you. About a week or two ago someone started a thread about another instructor, questioning his credentials.

Did you jump all over that one? Why not? Maybe perhaps because he has no association with Irvin or Dalla?

The dude came on here and defended himself, still not good enough for the lynch mob. El Karlo goes and rolls which is awesome.

He should go back and revise his post to include an apology for calling him out that way which he said he should now do.

That is my problem.

And I hate to keep re-hashing this same shit with Balto but why aren't you guys jumping his ass? He knew about all of this shit beforehand but was too afraid to be the dude who rocked the boat, so basically he condoned this rape shit that you guys are now crusading for.

Here we have this guy, owning and operating a gym, probably never raped someone. More than likely you guys were all up in his business because of the TLI ties. Or no? If not, why didn't you jump all into that other thread? Or are you like Balto and just found this one more interesting?

You guys with your hit and miss, this is good, this is bad but not bad enough to warrant anything, and oh this one is real bad and needs our immediate attention and bjj justice.

 

[The Apostle]

Do you have shit reading comprehension too?

At what point did he say something to the effect of; "Luke, your lineage seems fucked, sup with that?"

He didn't.

He asked a question without hostility and got it answered without hostility. I'm sure if he was being a dick about asking this question he would not have invited him to his academy for a friendly training session.

If I asked a friendly question about the lineage of Roy Harris on here would I too be calling him out?

Stay in school dude.

Stay in school? Original. Maybe at this school I can learn cool, hip abbreviations like sup?

If Roy Harris himself came in here and answered your questions directly, and then the thread still continued on, and then you barely mentioned anything - then yes I'd say you were calling him out.

Meh, went to Roy's gym today. Good guy, solid gym and students.

Or my review of rolling with Marcelo Garcia - good at bjj, good at chokes and back control.

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

There was only the most threadbare connection to the TLI scandal, if any. People got involved in this thread because it's extremely unusual (i.e., unheard of) for an unranked person to skip to 2nd Degree Black Belt in BJJ. It's so unusual, in fact, that we still don't know how it's possible.

It looks like Luke is a skilled martial artist and a capable instructor. But his unique path to 2nd Degree BJJ Black Belt rightfully attracts some scrutiny. And even if his skills are completely legit (which it looks like they are) it seems like the IBJJF may well have bent its own rules. Whether that happened, and whether it should happen, is worth talking about.

 

[The Apostle]

So how long has he had his black belt? And how long for his 2nd degree on it?

The reason I am asking (so that others can come up with a different reason or excuse) is because if he has had it for a while as in a few years, why is this just coming up now?

What prompted this guy to be looked into now?

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

So how long has he had his black belt? And how long for his 2nd degree on it?

The reason I am asking (so that others can come up with a different reason or excuse) is because if he has had it for a while as in a few years, why is this just coming up now?

What prompted this guy to be looked into now?

I can't speak for ElKarlo about why he started the thread. But when people act in ways that are objectively reasonable (e.g., starting a thread to find out about whether a dude really went straight to 2nd degree black belt), it's pointless to start speculating that their subjective motivations were unreasonable (e.g., maybe they hate Leo Dalla and Lloyd Irvin).

I had never heard of Luke or his school before this, and I don't think he has anything to do with Lloyd Irvin. But I definitely would have started a thread about his pack to black belt on my own. It's a fascinating story, no matter what your perspective.

 

[The Apostle]

I can't speak for ElKarlo about why he started the thread. But when people act in ways that are objectively reasonable (e.g., starting a thread to find out about whether a dude really went straight to 2nd degree black belt), it's pointless to start speculating that their subjective motivations were unreasonable (e.g., maybe they hate Leo Dalla and Lloyd Irvin).

I had never heard of Luke or his school before this, and I don't think he has anything to do with Lloyd Irvin. But I definitely would have started a thread about his pack to black belt on my own. It's a fascinating story, no matter what your perspective.

I promise, this isn't really directed at you but...

In the however many years he has had his black belt then, why haven't you looked into him? Why did you not start a thread about him months or years ago?

Wasn't his path to black belt interesting then say 3 years ago too?

 

[lechien]

So how long has he had his black belt? And how long for his 2nd degree on it?

The reason I am asking (so that others can come up with a different reason or excuse) is because if he has had it for a while as in a few years, why is this just coming up now?

What prompted this guy to be looked into now?

It is an issue about the IBJJF grading system.

Nothing about the individual.

 

[ElKarlo]

There was only the most threadbare connection to the TLI scandal, if any. People got involved in this thread because it's extremely unusual (i.e., unheard of) for an unranked person to skip to 2nd Degree Black Belt in BJJ. It's so unusual, in fact, that we still don't know how it's possible.

It looks like Luke is a skilled martial artist and a capable instructor. But his unique path to 2nd Degree BJJ Black Belt rightfully attracts some scrutiny. And even if his skills are completely legit (which it looks like they are) it seems like the IBJJF may well have bent its own rules. Whether that happened, and whether it should happen, is worth talking about.

Pretty much this
Was a hard story to believe, and I am sure that some traditional guys would be against it. It turns out the guy is very legit. How man times has that happened?

 

[ElKarlo]

I promise, this isn't really directed at you but...

In the however many years he has had his black belt then, why haven't you looked into him? Why did you not start a thread about him months or years ago?

Wasn't his path to black belt interesting then say 3 years ago too?

I was only vaguely aware of his gym. I moved and saw his site, and was sceptical. That's it, no witch hunt

 

[GuardGame]

Stay in school? Original. Maybe at this school I can learn cool, hip abbreviations like sup?

If Roy Harris himself came in here and answered your questions directly, and then the thread still continued on, and then you barely mentioned anything - then yes I'd say you were calling him out.

Meh, went to Roy's gym today. Good guy, solid gym and students.

Or my review of rolling with Marcelo Garcia - good at bjj, good at chokes and back control.

First of all I'll type however I want in a public forum. And no, the word "sup" is a little to hip for you.

So if I ask a simple question without hostility purely out of curiosity about say, Shinya Aoki's lineage and he came in here and simply answered it and the thread still continued on, without me saying much more in it, would mean I'm calling him out? Why would i need to post anything more in the thread if my questions were answered? Unless I wanted to post more, of course.

By your logic, simply asking a question about someone is deemed as "calling them out".

Also, what do you care?

The TS wasn't calling anybody out. If he were, he would have said something to the effect of, "Luke, what is up with your lineage?" That would be calling somebody out. He didn't do that. Huge difference between calling somebody out and asking a simple question.

 

[The Apostle]

First of all I'll type however I want in a public forum. And no, the word "sup" is a little to hip for you.

So if I ask a simple question without hostility purely out of curiosity about say, Shinya Aoki's lineage and he came in here and simply answered it and the thread still continued on, without me saying much more in it, would mean I'm calling him out? Why would i need to post anything more in the thread if my questions were answered? Unless I wanted to post more, of course.

By your logic, simply asking a question about someone is deemed as "calling them out".

Also, what do you care?

The TS wasn't calling anybody out. If he were, he would have said something to the effect of, "Luke, what is up with your lineage?" That would be calling somebody out. He didn't do that. Huge difference between calling somebody out and asking a simple question.

Better edit your post to correct "to" to "too" since you were trying to be all cool with the school shit.

Also, what do you care what I care about?

He had the opportunities to call this dude on the phone, visit his gym, maybe leave a comment on his website or their fb page. Did he? No he went onto a public forum and asked here first. I consider that calling someone out.

 

[carebear**]

Better edit your post to correct "to" to "too" since you were trying to be all cool with the school shit.

Also, what do you care what I care about?

He had the opportunities to call this dude on the phone, visit his gym, maybe leave a comment on his website or their fb page. Did he? No he went onto a public forum and asked here first. I consider that calling someone out.

Seriously?
I see that asking for help or advice.
TS wanted to know about a gym and wanted to see if anybody knew the guy.
Getting advise and knowledge is partly what a forum is about.
Asking question is not calling somebody out.

 

[The Apostle]

If anyone has been following the TLI threads or discussions...

In his opening post, he mentioned what, the lloyd style site, the use of the word master, and getting his black belt from Dalla.

But no, it's only about his certificate from the IBJJF. Okay.

He wasn't asking an innocent question (as shown by the lack of any interest in the other thread about the bjj black belt and ex-special forces guy.) He was asking a loaded question and if this guy should be looked into like anyone else associated with Lloyd Irvin. Come on now, don't play coy.