Anyone know about this Coach and gym?

[Steelviper]

How about you just ask him yourself Elkarlo.

His FB page: https://www.facebook.com/LukeRinehart.MMA.BJJ?fref=ts

Hes a straight shooter. Ill also send him a message directing it to here.
For the record. Luke is legit.

Thanks!

 

[muaythaitechniq]

Interesting story with this guy:


"One of my students lived in Woodbridge, Virginia where he discovered Master Leo Dalla and began to train with him. He introduced me to him and I was able to roll at his Academy a few times before competing against Pablo. I have kept a good relationship with Master Leo Dalla, who is also Llyod Irvin's BJJ instructor. On occasion I am able to get to Master Dalla's Academy and train with his team. In 2011 I approached Master Leo Dalla about getting an official Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt. I never claimed to teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because I didn't have a belt rank of any kind in it. My father and I always taught what we called Freestyle Jiu-Jitsu. Master Dalla helped me come up with a plan to get certified as a BJJ Black Belt. He said he didn't want to certify me personally because it would be a misrepresentation. He said that I have learned on my own and that I should get credit for it. He told me that he would validate me as a Black Belt through the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation (IBJJF) for as long as has known me which was 6 years at the time. So I approached the IBJJF about how to become a certified Black Belt through them and I fulfilled all their requirements and had to have Master Dalla sign to validate that my skill level was worthy. So in October of 2011 I became a certified 2nd Degree Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu."

http://www.thebjjronin.com/p/my-story.html

 

[ElKarlo]

How about you just ask him yourself Elkarlo.

His FB page: https://www.facebook.com/LukeRinehart.MMA.BJJ?fref=ts

Hes a straight shooter. Ill also send him a message directing it to here.
For the record. Luke is legit.

Def. He should post in this thread. As he can set the record straight as well as make sure we know what's up.

Since we're here. He does seem legit, but honestly the site did turn me off a great deal. I'll send you a pm when I'm not on my cell

 

[Balto]

Interesting story with this guy:


"One of my students lived in Woodbridge, Virginia where he discovered Master Leo Dalla and began to train with him. He introduced me to him and I was able to roll at his Academy a few times before competing against Pablo. I have kept a good relationship with Master Leo Dalla, who is also Llyod Irvin's BJJ instructor. On occasion I am able to get to Master Dalla's Academy and train with his team. In 2011 I approached Master Leo Dalla about getting an official Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt. I never claimed to teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because I didn't have a belt rank of any kind in it. My father and I always taught what we called Freestyle Jiu-Jitsu. Master Dalla helped me come up with a plan to get certified as a BJJ Black Belt. He said he didn't want to certify me personally because it would be a misrepresentation. He said that I have learned on my own and that I should get credit for it. He told me that he would validate me as a Black Belt through the International Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Federation (IBJJF) for as long as has known me which was 6 years at the time. So I approached the IBJJF about how to become a certified Black Belt through them and I fulfilled all their requirements and had to have Master Dalla sign to validate that my skill level was worthy. So in October of 2011 I became a certified 2nd Degree Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu."

http://www.thebjjronin.com/p/my-story.html

I'm going to go out on a limb and take a guess that there is a missing part of that story that involves a check made out to Leo Dalla. Just a guess of course.

Seriously I don't get why someone would advertise such a shady story. Skills on the mat or not, that's just a really weird way to get a BJJ belt.

Why would anyone want a belt in an art that they have never trained? Just because you can compete with and maybe beat guys from an art doesn't mean you deserve to have a rank in it. If we're just going by the if you can beat a black belt, you are a black belt theory, I'm black belt in like 20+ arts because I've tapped out so many TMA guys.

If your whole life you do Freestyle Jiu Jitsu, why do you suddenly become a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? Sounds like you are really a black belt in Freestyle Jiu Jitsu.

If you really want to train BJJ, then just start training BJJ and get your ranks normally. It's not that long. You can go to blue belt instantly, and then it's 4.5 years to your black belt. Some TKD programs ask for more commitment than that. That is not too much to ask for a black belt.

I don't see the desire to hold ranks in arts that you never really trained. Then again, I don't serve the Almighty Master Lloyd either.

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

Why would anyone want a belt in an art that they have never trained? Just because you can compete with and maybe beat guys from an art doesn't mean you deserve to have a rank in it. If we're just going by the if you can beat a black belt, you are a black belt theory, I'm black belt in like 20+ arts because I've tapped out so many TMA guys.

Holy shit! I never realized how many black belts I have. This is awesome.

Also, I've tapped out a Judo Brown Belt in BJJ, so that means I have at least a Judo Brown belt too, right?

 

[Newcastle]

Terrible site but if he's a BB under Leo Dalla I'd be he's legit.

 

[Balto]

Holy shit! I never realized how many black belts I have. This is awesome.

Also, I've tapped out a Judo Brown Belt in BJJ, so that means I have at least a Judo Brown belt too, right?

Yeah I just don't get it.

Dude from another art pops in to a BJJ gym to train occasionally. Why does he suddenly become a BJJ black belt?

It's one thing if the guy actually decides to train BJJ regularly. But in that case, he should just work his way up the ranks with the normal guidelines.

The read between the lines here is that a guy claiming a BJJ black belt can sell a lot more memberships than a guy claiming a FJJ black belt. I guess I can kind of understand that a little bit, but it doesn't make it any less shady.

 

[Balto]

Fact is that it's a Lloydway tip to hold as many black belts as you possibly can in a bunch of different arts. It just looks better on the squeeze page.

I mean Tang Soo Do -- okay. But Self-Defense Tactics and CFK Kickboxing? Do those things even have belts normally?

The only belt I claim outside of BJJ is Okinawan Kenpo. But the curriculum I earned it in and test I took for it also covered Jun Fan, Kali, Muay Thai, and CSW. I just don't claim "black belt" in those things because those things don't really have belts.

Black belt collecting always throws up a red flag for me. It just does.

 

[swirldog]

IMO, he doesn't seem like a fraud and certainly doesn't appear to be anything along the lines of a David Lang or Matt Barvo.

I personally don't think I'd consider his school if I lived close to it and had other options. Perhaps I'm a traditionalist and like the R Gracie affiliation my current gym has. Another part of me thinks that if he can "self learn," then why would I need him when I could theoretically do the same thing?

 

[dalexan242]

I personally don't think I'd consider his school if I lived close to it and had other options.

There probably aren't that many other options in Frederick, MD. There's Jeff Gordon's in Gaithersburg or Yamasaki in Rockville, but both of those are over a half hour away.

 

[swirldog]

There probably aren't that many other options in Frederick, MD. There's Jeff Gordon's in Gaithersburg or Yamasaki in Rockville, but both of those are over a half hour away.

If I didn't have other options, I'd probably study his videos more closely to better gauge his skill level (I'm a white belt so lulz at me accurately gauging that) and I guess I might end up giving it a shot. I mean he does appear to be forthcoming about his lineage and skill level.

 

[Balto]

IMO, he doesn't seem like a fraud and certainly doesn't appear to be anything along the lines of a David Lang or Matt Barvo.

I personally don't think I'd consider his school if I lived close to it and had other options. Perhaps I'm a traditionalist and like the R Gracie affiliation my current gym has. Another part of me thinks that if he can "self learn," then why would I need him when I could theoretically do the same thing?

It's not really a fraud in the same sense as them, but it's shady and weird.

Reading the guy's background, it's pretty similar to mine. We are both American martial artists who started training at age 5. I started at a Karate school that had blended other arts to become more practical. I remember guys watching the Gracie tapes in the early 90s. We added grappling to the curriculum. We were doing CSW under Erik Paulson.

None of this I count as BJJ though. I say I started BJJ in 2004 when I met my first BJJ instructor Andrew Yao. I started as a white belt, and I was a white belt for over 2 years.

Was I better than the normal white belt standard? Of course. I had trained grappling previously, and I was a white belt for a while too. I was a white belt so long because my instructor was just a blue belt himself. This was a college club. It wasn't until my instructor graduated and I met a brown belt from Balance that I was able to get under an affiliated school and get promoted to blue belt.

When I read stories like on that page, I react negatively because I understand exactly what it is like to learn on your own, and I also understand very well the reasons why I didn't just go seeking rank for the sake of it. All of my promotions happened the normal way because I wouldn't want them any other way.

Skills on the mat and telling the truth about lineage are two separate things for me. It is totally possible to be great on the mat and not be from BJJ. Accordingly, I don't think you should claim a BJJ lineage if you didn't come up from one. And a BJJ black belt means a BJJ lineage.

I just wish people would be up front with how they learned their stuff and just call it what it is. Seems simple enough to me. I don't like watching guys calling the same art by different names based on what is going to sell the best. Just say what it is.

I get the marketing aspect of it, but there is just no way I can look at a website like that and not feel like something is wrong. It's walking that super thin line that Lloyd was walking, and what did we learn from that? If something intuitively feels wrong, it probably is.

 

[Balto]

Also, from reading some stuff on Bullshido, it looks like this guy was not claiming BJJ at all up until about 2011. He was doing well in grappling tournaments, and he was attributing that to his training in a lot of different arts.

It looks like sometime in 2011, he just decided he would get more students if he called it BJJ, which is probably a safe bet. So he switched it to BJJ, got Dalla to vouch for him, and instantly became a 2nd degree black belt.

I'm sure he's skilled on the mat, but that kind of switch will never sit well with me. I don't care what other people think because that's just how I'm going to feel about it.

 

[deadlizard]

Also, from reading some stuff on Bullshido, it looks like this guy was not claiming BJJ at all up until about 2011. He was doing well in grappling tournaments, and he was attributing that to his training in a lot of different arts.

It looks like sometime in 2011, he just decided he would get more students if he called it BJJ, which is probably a safe bet. So he switched it to BJJ, got Dalla to vouch for him, and instantly became a 2nd degree black belt.

I'm sure he's skilled on the mat, but that kind of switch will never sit well with me. I don't care what other people think because that's just how I'm going to feel about it.

But he could kick your ass on the mats though, correct?

 

[Chulo**]

I'm sure he's skilled on the mat, but that kind of switch will never sit well with me. I don't care what other people think because that's just how I'm going to feel about it.

So basically, all this fuzz and commotion you cause is just to express your emotions about him, knowing you are very insignificant to the BJJ community in regards of power?

Is this your case too ElKarlo? As far as I know, neither of you are BB or have power in BJJ, so why call out people like this? What exactly are you trying to do?

 

[deadlizard]

So basically, all this fuzz and commotion you cause is just to express your emotions about him, knowing you are very insignificant to the BJJ community in regards of power?

Is this your case too ElKarlo? As far as I know, neither of you are BB or have power in BJJ, so why call out people like this? What exactly are you trying to do?

Glad to see you're still trolling these threads.

To answer the question: It's to keep the integrity of the sport.

However successful the attempts are, the people involved did their part.

 

[Chulo**]

Glad to see you're still trolling these threads.

To answer the question: It's to keep the integrity of the sport.

However successful the attempts are, the people involved did their part.

Unless your last name is Gracie or at least have power in BJJ, I don't see how Balto or ElKarlo have enough authority to call out a black belt, or even wish death upon somebody.

It doesn't matter how much you love the sport, the sooner you realize you are just a practitioner and nothing else in this beautiful sport of ours, the sooner you will realize half your posts attempting to call somebody out aren't even worth for the BB to acknowledge. Shit, you might even realize all this posting is taking away time from earning your black belt since 2004!

 

[deadlizard]

Unless your last name is Gracie or at least have power in BJJ, I don't see how Balto or ElKarlo have enough authority to call out a black belt, or even wish death upon somebody.

It doesn't matter how much you love the sport, the sooner you realize you are just a practitioner and nothing else in this beautiful sport of ours, the sooner you will realize half your posts attempting to call somebody out aren't even worth for the BB to acknowledge. Shit, you might even realize all this posting is taking away time from earning your black belt since 2004!

I agree with you.

But people do what they do so they can sleep better at night knowing that they did what they did.

Knowing this, Chulo, you do your rebuttals because it's something you believe in as well. So no point telling people to stop what they need to do in their own minds. Of course, you're probably not going to stop these rebuttals becuase you need to do what you need to do.

And the world goes round.

Carry on my friends.

 

[Chulo**]

I agree with you.

But people do what they do so they can sleep better at night knowing that they did what they did.

Knowing this, Chulo, you do your rebuttals because it's something you believe in as well. So no point telling people to stop what they need to do in their own minds. Of course, you're probably not going to stop these rebuttals becuase you need to do what you need to do.

And the world goes round.

Carry on my friends.

Agreed 100%. I gotta do what I gotta do. Thanks for understanding.

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

Skills on the mat and telling the truth about lineage are two separate things for me. It is totally possible to be great on the mat and not be from BJJ. Accordingly, I don't think you should claim a BJJ lineage if you didn't come up from one. And a BJJ black belt means a BJJ lineage.

I completely agree with this sentiment, and the rest of your post. "BJJ Black Belt" isn't a generic grappling skill level; it's the culmination of years spent training in a specific grappling style.

This matters because a person from a different grappling style may well have the ability to defeat a BJJ Black Belt under the ruleset that BJJ uses, but that wouldn't mean that he had a well-rounded understanding of the various techniques that comprise BJJ as an art. E.g., A sambo guy who can submit BJJ black belts by going for leg locks from inside the guard may not know very much about passing the guard, which is a critical aspect of BJJ.


(oh, BTW, I tried t-shirt choking with the grip you mentioned. You were right, it works well.)

So basically, all this breathing and eating is just to express your emotions about life, knowing you are very insignificant to the universe in regards of power?

Nihilism FTW!