Anyone else eating their crow with extra salt?

If he has a HW fight on his record, I ll humbly accept I was wrong
Nothing to be salty about
It would be a great vindication of my other opinion that HW power and LHW power have a gigantic gap
 
OK so....the question I guess is.... IF Jones does have a future HW fight, who is it going to be against?

Stipe is fighting Ngannou again it seems, Dana's made that quite clear several times. I don't think that Stipe is interested in fighting again in 2020, and he'll want to do Xmas with his wife and kid. So Feb / March for that fight.

So if Jones wants to fight.... who? I am sure that will OFFER him and Cormier a lot of money to fight at HW. I don't think Cormier will do it, he will prob stay retired.

So anyone want to guess who Jones fights at HW if he actually does sign to take a UFC Heavyweight fight??
It might be that he just doesn't want to risk losing at all and so he could play this card : "I wanted to fight at HW, but the cheap-ass UFC still wouldn't pay me more than 50 bucks per fight, so that ain't my fault y'all, go blame Dana for that".
 
To be fair Jones has never in his career showed signs of being scared to fight anybody or anything other than rising to the occasion when facing challenge in competition, I would assume the UFC for business reasons wanted him to stay at LHW and now are allowing him to move up
 
RockyLockridge said:
Running away from reyes and running into ngannou is not something I can discredit jones for. I dont think he has what it takes to beat these heavy weights, In my eyes he's been visibly declining over his last 5 fights.



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you're assuming he's actually running into Ngannou. people assume a lot when Jon says shit. i don't know why people keep believing a dude who has consistently shown to be a liar, especially when it comes to "his move to HW". dude has been saying this shit for years.

he does this because people like you constantly believe his bullshit. he puts out a weird vague twitter post, people like you jump up and down and start assuming he's fighting the killers of HW, and then a week later the tweet is deleted, he posts a new one "UFC gave me red panty night money to defend my LHW title, HW will have to wait" and everyone forgets he kept his hype going by basically bullshitting to gullible fans.
 
Doughie99 said:
OK so....the question I guess is.... IF Jones does have a future HW fight, who is it going to be against?

Stipe is fighting Ngannou again it seems, Dana's made that quite clear several times. I don't think that Stipe is interested in fighting again in 2020, and he'll want to do Xmas with his wife and kid. So Feb / March for that fight.

So if Jones wants to fight.... who? I am sure that will OFFER him and Cormier a lot of money to fight at HW. I don't think Cormier will do it, he will prob stay retired.

So anyone want to guess who Jones fights at HW if he actually does sign to take a UFC Heavyweight fight??
It might be that he just doesn't want to risk losing at all and so he could play this card : "I wanted to fight at HW, but the cheap-ass UFC still wouldn't pay me more than 50 bucks per fight, so that ain't my fault y'all, go blame Dana for that".
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for me, he's playing that last part. he'll price himself out of the move and then blame the UFC for not paying him the money. then he'll tweet something later about "UFC just offered big money for me to fight Adesanya/Reyes whoever the fuck" and then everyone will be like "maaaan if only UFC paid him right we would get to see him easily steamroll these trash HWs". it's a cycle he's been doing quite sometimes already.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
for me, he's playing that last part. he'll price himself out of the move and then blame the UFC for not paying him the money. then he'll tweet something later about "UFC just offered big money for me to fight Adesanya/Reyes whoever the fuck" and then everyone will be like "maaaan if only UFC paid him right we would get to see him easily steamroll these trash HWs". it's a cycle he's been doing quite sometimes already.
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yeah I cannot see him agreeing to fight Reyes again (well he's neatly avoided having to do that now....) or Ngannou (too dangerous and he is very very risk-averse).

Cormier I think he would fight again, for sure. Stipe, yes I think he would.
Other Heavyweights? Don't know really, I guess so. But he is very risk-averse, so if he fights again he will just pick someone relatively 'easy'.
 
Doughie99 said:
yeah I cannot see him agreeing to fight Reyes again (well he's neatly avoided having to do that now....) or Ngannou (too dangerous and he is very very risk-averse).

Cormier I think he would fight again, for sure. Stipe, yes I think he would.
Other Heavyweights? Don't know really, I guess so. But he is very risk-averse, so if he fights again he will just pick someone relatively 'easy'.
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before he shot down the Cormier fight at HW when he was the champ, i thought Jon would take a HW fight as long as it was for the title and vs a champ that was somewhat beatable. but the guys at HW now carry too high of a consequence and even he has to realize that he's diminished over his last fights.

i just do not see a real reason for him to go to HW, take all the risk, when even in his prime it would've been difficult for him to deal with them let alone now that he's deteriorated. the only way i see it, is if he's allowed to do PEDs. not to mention that if he somehow got the Stipe fight and beat Stipe, what then? UFC will just ask him to rematch him, or defend vs Ngannou. in my opinion, he fucked up by not going up and fighting Cormier when DC had the title.

for me, his best bet is to wait to see how the Costa vs Adesanya fight plays out and then fight Adesanya if he wins.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
for me, his best bet is to wait to see how the Costa vs Adesanya fight plays out and then fight Adesanya if he wins.
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At what weight class?? I mean that would have to be at 205lbs right? There's no way Jones is going to cut down below 205lbs and I think Adesanya is really a bit too naturally skinny to fight competitively at 205lbs. But.....it for sure would be an interesting fight and I agree that Jones would definitely take that fight if it was offered to him.
 
RockyLockridge said:
https://www.mmafighting.com/2020/8/...yweight-title-ufc-253-after-jon-jones-vacates
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Yeah, except you forgot the excerpt where White was totally noncommital.


"As far as Jones’ heavyweight future goes, White was noncommittal.

“I know that Jon, right now, wants to take time to do things that he wants to do,” White said. “If you follow him on Instagram, he’s been doing a lot of shooting, likes to work with these attack dogs, lifts a lot of weights, and I think he’s having fun living his life a little bit. I think, when this whole heavyweight thing plays out, we’ll see what works for him.

“I don’t know, exactly, what the right outcome is gonna be but we’ll see.”"
 
I'm not even a Jones fan, I think he's a pretty detestable human, but some of the narratives that get made up here are funny.

Running from Reyes. We are talking about the same Jon Jones who has avenged the two closest fights of his career (which he did win anyway) by fighting those same guys again and finishing them both. Also, history has been a bit kind when thinking about the Reyes Jones match. Yes , Reyes won 2 clearly and one round is up for debate. But the 4th and 5th were also, far and away Jones. It's not like Reyes was this dominant force that put the fear of God into Jones. And the two options Jones has at HW are Ngannou and Stipe. Pretty easy to make the argument both those fighters are a tougher match then Reyes.

The other narrative that I consider way overblown is this dramatic decline in Jon's skill level. I dont think his skill has diminished. I think his natural athleticism has, as it will as one gets older and has 27 professional fights. He is a bit shopworn. He is now facing younger, faster, stronger competition. So he has changed his style to be more risk adverse and in the style more of a point fighter. It's not as exciting but it is smart and will help ensure an elongated career
 
Doughie99 said:
At what weight class?? I mean that would have to be at 205lbs right? There's no way Jones is going to cut down below 205lbs and I think Adesanya is really a bit too naturally skinny to fight competitively at 205lbs. But.....it for sure would be an interesting fight and I agree that Jones would definitely take that fight if it was offered to him.
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at 205lbs in my opinion. i agree Adesanya is not going to benefit from going up, but i just don't see any options for Jon, unless he proves me wrong and comes back looking like a totally different fighter.
 
Let me know when he actually fights at HW, and not just talking about it.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
you're assuming he's actually running into Ngannou. people assume a lot when Jon says shit. i don't know why people keep believing a dude who has consistently shown to be a liar, especially when it comes to "his move to HW". dude has been saying this shit for years.
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I'm anything BUT gullible and I've never believed jon EVER about Going to HW, let alone any other retarded things he says. the only reason why I believe him this time is because he relinquished his title opposed to him being stripped of it. My post history will prove that. for the last 5 years I've asked nothing of jones other than to shut the fuck up about going to HW. I have enough reason to believe I was wrong. I know he has not fought at HW yet, nor does he have a HW fight signed yet. but if he plans on moving to HW "the right way" he's going to take 6 months to a year to transition weight classes.

Also don't be an idiot. if he's going to HW he's trying his hand at francis. Francis is clearly on top of that division. I suspect stipe will be gone by the time Jones comes around. I see stipe retiring after his next fight. HW is wide open after that. Unless you think jones will just float around HW and fight guys he could easily beat like Lewis or Olynik
 
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Unless Jones is able to take Stipe down at will, I don't see him beating Stipe. Stipe is a way better striker then Gus,more power, and is bigger. I see this fight going similar to jones vs gus 1 with stipe doing a lot more damage to Jones then gus did.
 
RockyLockridge said:
He relinquished the title. That doesn't seem like proof to you?
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That he's fighting at HW, no I'll wait for the contract to be signed, then I'll still be a little skeptical. I'll believe it when he's making the walk to the octagon. Premature in the extreme to be talking about eating crow when all he's done is give away a belt which was going to be taken away in due course anyway either for inactivity or yet another major fuck up.
 
Sad how so many people here had to create an alternate reality where Jon has lost to 2 guys he beat just to feel better about themselves
 
myjohnson9 said:
Jones running away from Reyes is not praise worthy
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Do you mean he's scared of Reyes? I think Jones has nothing to gain to fight Reyes again. It's a lose lose situation with Reyes. If he wins, it doesn't change much. If he loses to Reyes than obviously that will hurt his legacy.

But if he moves up to HW. He has nothing to lose. If he loses to the champion, he was expected to lose considering he's never fought at HW before. But if he wins that just adds to his legacy and legitimizes his GOAT status.
 
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