Anybody else Think JBJ would tool Cain and be HW champ?

Bolshevik said:
you think jones has better striking than velasquez, the guy who just outstruck someone people were calling one of the best 2 strikers in mma (outside of maybe anderson silva)?
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yea i do, jones has striking that doesnt look that great, but its reallly effective - hes put guys like rampage, vitor, machida shogun at bay, finished all of them and won the striking exchanges, battles

cain has decent striking, bu his striking success against junior came from mixing it up and draining jds, making him walk backwards - he wouldnt be able to do the same to jones and jones would use his strikes more effectively, assuming cain cant just rag doll him

if cain can get him down, then i take cain with the victory

in summary, yes
 
Bolshevik said:
you think jones has better striking than velasquez, the guy who just outstruck someone people were calling one of the best 2 strikers in mma (outside of maybe anderson silva)?
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Jones is a more varied striker then Cain, he isnt a better boxer but he is a better kick-boxer/striker and has a larger array of strikes then Cain and he also has a good amount of reach on him.

Also Cain out-struck JDS via wrestling, the same way Cheal was able to outstrike and even hit Anderson in their first fight.

Cain isnt a better striker then JDS like Cheal isnt a better striker then Anderson, the wrestling and threat of a take-down is what allowed them to strike with both opponents.

He wouldn't have that fear against Jones, Jones can wrestle with Cain and Jones IMO is the better freestyle wrestler whereas Cain is IMO the better Greco wrestler.

Jones is also a southpaw who switches stances and is a long fighter with good submission skills on the ground and standing.
 
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Jon has never even been the smaller fighter in all of his bouts. Cain would destroy bones imp. The same way he did to jds.
 
Never gonna happen. Cain would apply the kind of pressure Jones never experienced and the cardio would be a huge factor. Jones hasn't got the kind of power that it takes to stop Cain.
 
EmeliankoFan1 said:
Jones is a more varied striker then Cain, he isnt a better boxer but he is a better kick-boxer/striker and has a larger array of strikes then Cain and he also has a good amount of reach on him.

Also Cain out-struck JDS via wrestling, the same way Cheal was able to outstrike and even hit Anderson in their first fight.

Cain isnt a better striker then JDS like Cheal isnt a better striker then Anderson, the wrestling and threat of a take-down is what allowed them to strike with both opponents.

He wouldn't have that fear against Jones, Jones can wrestle with Cain and IMO is the better clinch wrestler whereas Cain is IMO the better Greco wrestler.
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Jones is better in the clinch but Cain has better Greco?

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Jbjs domination relies heavily on his ability to bully his opponents physically. With that aspect removed, he wont do so well, hes not gonna bully cain physically nor stop his takedowns.
 
mkay said:
Jon has never even been the smaller fighter in all of his bouts. Cain would destroy bones imp. The same way he did to jds.
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Jones would be bigger then Cain and the same size as JDS at HW. Do you mean he wouldnt be the fighter who weighed less, then that would be wrong.
 
EmeliankoFan1 said:
Jones is a more varied striker then Cain, he isnt a better boxer but he is a better kick-boxer/striker and has a larger array of strikes then Cain and he also has a good amount of reach on him.

Also Cain out-struck JDS via wrestling, the same way Cheal was able to outstrike and even hit Anderson in their first fight.

Cain isnt a better striker then JDS like Cheal isnt a better striker then Anderson, the wrestling and threat of a take-down is what allowed them to strike with both opponents.

He wouldn't have that fear against Jones, Jones can wrestle with Cain and Jones IMO is the better freestyle wrestler whereas Cain is IMO the better Greco wrestler.

Jones is also a southpaw who switches stances and is a long fighter with good submission skills on the ground and standing.
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jones also outstrikes his competition via wrestling. :icon_neut
 
Bolshevik said:
jones also outstrikes his competition via wrestling. :icon_neut
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I never said Jones didn't out-strike his competition via wrestling, he does and thats what is great about being a wrestler. What I said was that Jones was a better kickboxer/striker and Cain was the better boxer.

Jones also has a larger arsenal of effective strikes then cain and that was just what I was saying. That little display he did to JDS is something he wont have over Jones, who will be confident to wrestle with Cain whereas JDS was not.

All I am saying was Jones is the better kickboxer and Cain the better boxer.
 
As of right now I don't see Jones beating Cain, jds, reem, DC.
I also think he'd have trouble with werdum.
I'd like to see how he does against Bigfoot and Travis Browne
 
MrPuppet said:
As of right now I don't see Jones beating Cain, jds, reem, DC.
I also think he'd have trouble with werdum.
I'd like to see how he does against Bigfoot and Travis Browne
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Browne is Jones training partner, I dont think that fight is going to happen.

Big foot possibly and Werdum possibly.

DC could get his chances at Jones at LHW but seems he is opted out to not to take the shot at JBJ at LHW.

It is what it is.
 
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Almost KO'd by Rashad, almost submitted by Vitor, allowed Machida to get in range and land strikes.

When Cain wins, he obliterates his opponents. Jones size will not be a problem. Ask Brock, Bigfoot, or Kongo if their size helped.

Cain has more power and more pressure than Jones. Cain has unrelenting striking volume.
 
EmeliankoFan1 said:
Browne is Jones training partner, I dont think that fight is going to happen.

Big foot possibly and Werdum possibly. I dont think Jones will have problems with DC, DC could come down to LHW if he wanted too but seems hell bent on staying at HW.

Maybe he knows something you dont.

DC could get his chances at Jones at LHW but opted out to not to take the shot at JBJ at LHW.

Sadly this was a fight I did want to see but Cormier seems to have made his decision.
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I didnt know they were training partners. Jones hasn't had a problem fighting partners before tho. Don't know how close they are or if that matters.
I don't think he beats DC so easily but I guess that's just a difference of opinion.
I really wanna see how he does against lower top ten before I say anything is concrete
 
i don't feel comfortable saying something like that, and wont until i see him fight a few heavies to gauge how he handles the size difference
 
I think a lot of us forget that if Bones fought with Cain or JDS, or Cormier or the Reem, that would be the first time we have seen the guy fight with a size and power disadvantage. We haven't even yet seen how Bones would react in such a situation. When you combine that with the striking and TDD skills of all 4 of the above HWs, it may be enough to cause JBJ to cave in over the course of 3 or so rounds.
 
MrPuppet said:
I didnt know they were training partners. Jones hasn't had a problem fighting partners before tho. Don't know how close they are or if that matters.
I don't think he beats DC so easily but I guess that's just a difference of opinion.
I really wanna see how he does against lower top ten before I say anything is concrete
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Did you watch Browne's last outing, didnt he look like someone else. Both are team jackson and have trained together. How close they are, I dont know.

DC has his chances at jones at LHW, he doesn't seem like he wants to take the jump to fight jones at LHW so there is nothing that can be done until Jones goes up.

Outside of that, jones at 240 should be well enough to take on most of the heavies so when he goes up we will see.

Jones should be the most well-rounded heavy at HW so we will see how things go. A little muscle and little time, I am not sure it would be a problem at 240.
 
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