any thoughts on silva challenging jones jr

[cottagecheesefan]

Just in case we aren't clear on this- I think RJJ would destroy Silva in a boxing match. I also think Silva would beat RJJ in an MMA match in under two minutes.

well, i havent posted much about this in this forum on the subject, although i did in the HW forum, but i 100% agree. I didnt miss your point. I feel Silva would beat RJJ in a MMA match and vice versa. But I also think RJJ has more athletic ability, being he played in semi pro basketball, was in the olympics, is a multidivisional champ, despite not having great boxing technique.

the fact is though, silva challanged jones to a boxing match, and people in the HW forum think silva has a chance to not only last 12 rounds, but some think he will win? Flow, thats like saying Steve job's can make a better windows prototype, rather than branching off into the mac OS. Macs are good for something things, windows is good for others. Fact is, bill would pwn steve in a windows programming match, which is what this whole argument is. Not if bill could make a better Mac.

It is if Jones would beat silva in boxing, and there is no contest with that.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

i also agree that there are people in MMA with as much athletic ability as top boxers, like fedor, penn, gsp, and so on, but they wont win in boxing. And right now, IF someone COULD win in boxing and make a lot of loot, they would. But i dont see GSP having the ability, no matter how long he trained to be a top boxer. His athletic potential is different than RJJs athletic potential. Thats why some box, some wrestle, some play football, some play soccer, and so on.

 

[flowwiththego]

Jeff, you said you didn't know shit about psychology, well, maybe you got these guys fooled but I know better! Good talking to you and everybody else. I used to consider myself an amateur boxing historian but I drifted away for some reason. I am still drawn to it, though. It is hard to be a fan of both because each side seems like they want you to choose. Why can't I be a fan of both? I just hope thay don't know that my first passion is pro wrestling---- neither side will want me.

 

[Cracky]

i think he is doing it because a)jones is past his prime and he thinks he can exploit something and secondly cus of the fact jones is out of his price range; but real talk, noone in mma or casual fan or boxing fan can think a guy who is 1-1 as a pro beats the fmr p4p champ-fmr hw-lhw-smw-mw champ and silver medallist

i dnt think silva could beat pavlik-taylor-dawson-forrest-judah-mosley-mayweather-de la hoya-kassim ouma-cory spinks or anyone else even w/the weight adv; i know he is a striker, but he is not a boxer and in a boxing match most anyone tools him.

he might be fast and fluid; but everyone on this list has sparred tougher comp and see guys w/better ability and boxing; an p/t boxing does not overcome years of superior amateur and pro exp.


do mma guys think that little of boxing

Jones would beat Silva all around the ring if it was hands only.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Jeff, you said you didn't know shit about psychology, well, maybe you got these guys fooled but I know better! Good talking to you and everybody else. I used to consider myself an amateur boxing historian but I drifted away for some reason. I am still drawn to it, though. It is hard to be a fan of both because each side seems like they want you to choose. Why can't I be a fan of both? I just hope thay don't know that my first passion is pro wrestling---- neither side will want me.

well, actually i was joking about psychology, as i used to major in it. I dont want you to choose, as i like both. If you read my posts, i support jones in boxing.... which evidence and critical evaluation implies. Silva would win in MMA, which critical evaluation also implies.

i also used to like pro wrestling, before either, so I am like you as well. I liked pro wrestling, then MMA, then k-1, then boxing. I appreicate them all. I am saying in a BOXING match, jones has so much more athletisism for boxing and has maximized it so much, that silva wouldnt win. It isnt a matter of choosing, MMA or boxing, it is a matter of logic.

Boxers have been conditioned to do things MMA fighters havent, because it takes a lots and lots and lots of time to master, just like it does to master falling correctly and performing slams accurately in pro wrestling. They are all art forms. One isnt better than the other.

In a street fight, i wont say a boxer beats an MMA guy, or vice versa....... i say the guy who is willing to stick their thumb in someones eye and kick the other guy in the balls wins. That is a matter of survival, not training.

 

[djacobox372]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

the problem with this, and why i try to suggest otherwise is RJJ used his athletic ability to box and maximized it, silva did this with mma. You say it is 75% mental.... well jones had almost 200 boxing matches and is mentally confident and experienced in ways far greater silva ever will be in regard to boxing. RUIZ is bigger than silva and he dealt with that fine.

Please watch some boxing matches before posting more.

 

[Cracky]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

Roy is a very intelligent technical fighter.. not technical in a classic sense, but highly technical none the less.

 

[Rinksterk**]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

You seem to have forgotten that Jones actually knows how to box. You're crazy if you think Jones isn't a technical boxer, especially compared to Silva. Silva looks like an amateur compared to jones. And where'd you pull out the 75%? Your ass?

I think one of the reasons for this ignorance is contributed by the UFC propaganda machine. It pisses me off everytime Rogan opens his mouth about striking. Everytime Kos fights Rogan talks about his so-called much improved striking and how he "moves like a pro-boxer." The ignorant new fans of the sport actually think the guys in the UFC are comparable to the top muay thai fighters and boxers.

Just this week I saw the TUF 6 finale and Huerta say some shit about the Hatton/Mayweather fight and the crowd booed. Lol what kind of shit is that? I lost a lot of respect for Huerta with that bullshit. Its just as bad as Lampley running his mouth off about MMA after the DLH/Mayweather fight.

 

[FIGHT FAN]

its' like comparing the NFL to the CFL. if you have the skills and belief in yourself your going to strive to be on the big stage making the big bucks. even though boxing and MMA are somewhat different , the underlying traits for all fighters are very similar. anyone who is serious about soccer, football, or fighting, wants to play in the big leagues, infront of the most fans, for the most money. ( i guess that's the point that kid was trying to make). if silva was any good at boxing then he would of stuck with it, but he clearly did not belive that his skills would take him any further, so he bailed.

 

[Seano]

I've seen loads of people say that Jones is not a good technical boxer. I wonder what MMA forum that shit is coming from.

 

[El Ninja]

do mma guys think that little of boxing

Only the ignorant ones.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

Wow.

I have to disagree completely.

 

[Aluminum Kam]

Here's how i see the matchup:

Roy is not a very good technical boxer, he relies on his physical talents to overcome the gaps in his game. Anderson also is physically talented... which makes this matchup more interesting--a more technical boxer like hopkins could easily exploit silva's lack of boxing experience, but I'm not so sure roy could to the same degree.

Also, fighting is at least 75% mental, and silva has it on roy in that department, which again makes this fight closer then it should be.

Finally Silva is a HUGE guy for roy to be fighting. Roy couldn't deal with the size and strength of tarver and silva is even bigger.

My prediction if this fight happens: Roy outboxes him for the first few rounds, then gets lazy and rests on the ropes like he always does--at that time silva beats him down and wins by tko. Not because he's better, but because he's bigger, stronger, and in his physical prime not 10 years past it like roy.

yeah because it is SO EASY to KO Roy Jones when he is on the ropes, lets be fucking serious.

Roy not only lands right crosses all night at WILL, he makes him eat the triple left hook repetitivley.

Roy wins on if nothing else, superior ring mastery, he will dance on him all night long

 

[flowwiththego]

I still can't picture RJJ losing to Silva in a boxing match. Avoiding slow punches with simple head feints from Franklin is a far cry from avoiding punches from Roy. Roy would immediately pick up on Silva's tendencies and ko him or win an easy decisions.
If Silva were to win, it would be because he would be one of the greatest athletes that God ever created. I mean how else could someone expect to beat somebody at his own game. Jones has trained every day for 30 years at one specific art form Silva has been dividing his time between Boxing, Kickboxing , Wrestling and Jui-Jitsu. It doesn't add up.
A mid level fighter yeah, but Roy fucking Jones?
What if Roy challenged Silva to an MMA match? We would be saying the opposite about how ludicrous it would be for RJJ to try this.

 

[DnBLoxy]

I thought it was well understood that in the boxer vs mma scenarios, the boxer wins with boxing rules and the mma fighter wins with mma rules. Silva loses this fight under boxing rules.

 

[elbowsmash]

silva is just looking to get paid and retire
the pay equals out to this

1 fight against rjj = 50mma fights

i dont think silva himself thinks he'll last against rjj, his corner would probably throw the towel when shit gets bad anyways.

this crap is a joke, silva isn't stupid. he's looking to get PAID to the tune of 3-5 million.

on the otherhand, i'd pay to watch it, you better believe it.

 

[Seano]

Does anyone think that this would be a difficult fight to get sanctioned?

Roy Jones versus 1-1 boxer?

 

[elbowsmash]

it would be impossible unless they fought at pechanga or some other indian casino

or as an exhibition match in the ufc with moq rules
but a sanctioned boxing match, impossible

 

[El Ninja]

Does anyone think that this would be a difficult fight to get sanctioned?

Roy Jones versus 1-1 boxer?

Money talks bro.