Crime Antifa gets cancelled

[IDGETKTFO]

Is he too much of a coward to speak for himself?

I doubt it, i just like speaking for others.

 

[Grok]

It'll be the 21st century version of the Salem witch trials or the red scare.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Is that you Mr Bush/Darth Sidious?

The US government is already free to prosecute and punish people running around wreaking havoc, I have no issue with appropriately using that existing power.

The bolded part are the same concern, they don't contradict.

And fit the criteria of what law? Again, you seem completely ignorant of the fact that the US does not have a law in place to designate domestic terror groups. Feel free to write your congressman to draft a law if you want.

Oh wait...you don't have a congressman because you aren't even American.

So who are some of Antifa's leaders? How is the group organized?

They fit the criteria of being terrorists and you circling back to the law that I don't give a shit about existing, isn't convincing that it isn't a flaw in your system. The masked bandits lighting fire to your cities not being terrorists because they are highly decentralized shouldn't be a convenient legal factoid for you to be hiding behind.

Antifa, transcends borders and isn't confined to one country or one group there are many and they organize online and rally behind a singular ideology. You asking the question "wHo aRe tHeIr lEaDeRs?" Is unproductive and meaningless. Yes, they escape the classification of organization but that shouldn't be an obstacle to cracking down on political violence, as if it's their secret weapon, because it's ideologically embedded to be highly decentralized. It's stupid point to make, get with the times and figure out how to crack down on it.

Everytime there is an issue they vehemently disagree with, they assemble, riot and cause havoc. When the Wi spa incident in LA broke out they showed up, organized a tranny rights protest and....well here's a video with a nice little quote at the bottoms:

A stun gun, pepper spray, knives and mace have been recovered by police after violent clashes between Antifa and police emerged during a 'transgender rights' protest outside the Wi Spa on Saturday, which saw 40 people arrested, police said.

Where do you think these people came from? Did they sprout from the concrete with no relation to one another or did they more than likely organize?

Let the professionals take care of this and stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Seano]

It'll be the 21st century version of the Salem witch trails or the red scare.

Hyperbole ,one thing the left never runs short of.

 

[Sinister]

- Yeah. But Christian churchs are the bigest responsible for charity works around the globe(or flat Earth for the dumbases)

Sure, you just have to give up your land rights!

 

[TUFNewb]

What kind of subgroups besides Antifa are fair game in your mind?

And do you have any evidence to present that all who identify as Antifa are inherently violent terrorists?

I'm not an expert on extremists. I'd say any ideologically-based group that glorifies violence, and then regularly participates in it.

There comes a point when a group becomes so tied to incidents of doxing, harassment, physical violence, property damage, etc. the onus is on you to prove your association with them is not aiding abetting criminal activity.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Sure, you just have to give up your land rights!

- Thats the confusing part. Jesus didnt own lands and he was a carpenter, he didnt drink wine on golden calices.

 

[oldshadow]

Shhhh don't worry about that, just trust Trump and co.

Ah yes, the classic madmick phase of deflect and refuse to acknowledge the basic english meaning of prior posts. You're the one who argued that the US designates as terror groups all groups that promote white supremacy, with no caveats.

Both Harris and Cruikshank have been nullified by later laws clarifying that the 14th Amendment applies to individuals. You're mixing up multiple issues here in your quest to shoehorn a KKK and Antifa are both terrorist groups analogy.

Do some more research and get back to what I was posting.

I stated that the democrats should take this to court because there was some historical support against it. A haven't seen what legal paperwork he is going to come out with to try and do this.

 

[Sinister]

I'm not an expert on extremists. I'd say any ideologically-based group that glorifies violence, and then regularly participates in it.

There comes a point when a group becomes so tied to incidents of doxing, harassment, physical violence, property damage, etc. the onus is on you to prove your association with them is not aiding abetting criminal activity.

You cannot just generally wave a hand at "groups who do ________" You have to have specific targets in mind. You just gave the bare minimum vague description of ANY terrorist group. Pick one that is "Antifa" in ideology that you're talking about. Because I can give you an entire list of right wing accelerationist and white supremacist ones, and they don't get busted on "terrorism" charges because there's no statute. They get brought up on things like illegal possession of firearms. They do surprisingly little time in prison for the sh*t they try to do, also.

 

[avenue94]

They fit the criteria of being terrorists and you circling back to the law that I don't give a shit about existing, isn't convincing that it isn't a flaw in your system. The masked bandits lighting fire to your cities not being terrorists because they are highly decentralized shouldn't be a convenient legal factoid for you to be hiding behind.

What do you think is the difference between pursuing those vandals, whether or not they are part of a designated terrorist group?

Antifa, transcends borders and isn't confined to one country or one group there are many and they organize online and rally behind a singular ideology. You asking the question "wHo aRe tHeIr lEaDeRs?" Is unproductive and meaningless. Yes, they escape the classification of organization but that shouldn't be an obstacle to cracking down on political violence, as if it's their secret weapon, because it's ideologically embedded to be highly decentralized. It's stupid point to make, get with the times and figure out how to crack down on it.

The government is free to crack down on criminal activity and political violence already. That's not what Trump wanting a terrorism designation for Antifa is about though.

Where do you think these people came from? Did they sprout from the concrete with no relation to one another or did they more than likely organize?

Let the professionals take care of this and stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.

I wouldn't be surprised if they coordinated as a bunch of locals. You tell me.

And the professionals like...Kash Patel? lol

I'm not an expert on extremists. I'd say any ideologically-based group that glorifies violence, and then regularly participates in it.

There comes a point when a group becomes so tied to incidents of doxing, harassment, physical violence, property damage, etc. the onus is on you to prove your association with them is not aiding abetting criminal activity.

Glorifying violence is plainly 1st Amendment protected, and participating in violence is already illegal.

Doxing and harrassment are mostly protected by the 1A.

And no, the onus is on the government to prove why it needs extraordinary powers that may erode constitutional rights, not on citizens. What country do you live in?

 

[avenue94]

Do some more research and get back to what I was posting.

I stated that the democrats should take this to court because there was some historical support against it. A haven't seen what legal paperwork he is going to come out with to try and do this.

What would they take to court? There's no injury until the government actually does it. Balls in the administration's court.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

This is basically one and the same with Antifa. Deep state narco terrorists that have been involved with the drug and arms trafficking for decades. Basically CIA influenced radicals. Anyways

 

[oldshadow]

What would they take to court? There's no injury until the government actually does it. Balls in the administration's court.

I agree. We will see what happens.

 

[sanguinius]

You cannot just generally wave a hand at "groups who do ________" You have to have specific targets in mind. You just gave the bare minimum vague description of ANY terrorist group. Pick one that is "Antifa" in ideology that you're talking about. Because I can give you an entire list of right wing accelerationist and white supremacist ones, and they don't get busted on "terrorism" charges because there's no statute. They get brought up on things like illegal possession of firearms. They do surprisingly little time in prison for the sh*t they try to do, also.

Leftists are literally incapable of discussing leftist violence. They have to resort to nebulous recollections of right wing violence, which is mostly made up by the hard left doj to begin with.

 

[deviake]

You cannot just generally wave a hand at "groups who do ________" You have to have specific targets in mind. You just gave the bare minimum vague description of ANY terrorist group. Pick one that is "Antifa" in ideology that you're talking about. Because I can give you an entire list of right wing accelerationist and white supremacist ones, and they don't get busted on "terrorism" charges because there's no statute. They get brought up on things like illegal possession of firearms. They do surprisingly little time in prison for the sh*t they try to do, also.

Plus, any study I've seen shows that the majority of violence is right wing.

This is a very stupid argument, especially considering the Proud Boys, the KKK, etc, aren't designated terrorist organizations.

It's hard to conceive of what reality a lot of people are living in. Then again, I've seen a MAGA guy argue with an importer/exporter about tariffs so... I guess that's that .

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

What do you think is the difference between pursuing those vandals, whether or not they are part of a designated terrorist group?

The government is free to crack down on criminal activity and political violence already. That's not what Trump wanting a terrorism designation for Antifa is about though.

I wouldn't be surprised if they coordinated as a bunch of locals. You tell me.

And the professionals like...Kash Patel? lol

Glorifying violence is plainly 1st Amendment protected, and participating in violence is already illegal.

Doxing and harrassment are mostly protected by the 1A.

And no, the onus is on the government to prove why it needs extraordinary powers that may erode constitutional rights, not on citizens. What country do you live in?

Because, despite you trying to minimize the situation, the reality is that these people are a much bigger problem than simply localized vandals. By designating them terrorists, which is what they are, it elevates the tools needed to confront the issue.

This is simple, don't align yourselves with these people, don't collaborate, fund, organize or riot with them. If you have, you should be investigated, added to a database and dealt with accordingly.

 

[TUFNewb]

Glorifying violence is plainly 1st Amendment protected, and participating in violence is already illegal.

Doxing and harrassment are mostly protected by the 1A.

And no, the onus is on the government to prove why it needs extraordinary powers that may erode constitutional rights, not on citizens. What country do you live in?

By your logic there is no need to designate any groups as terrorist orgs. Just have nypd charge al qaeda with homicide and arrest them.

Extraordinary powers for extraordinary circumstances.

 

[avenue94]

Because, despite you trying to minimize the situation, the reality is that these people are a much bigger problem than simply localized vandals. By designating them terrorists, which is what they are, it elevates the tools needed to confront the issue.

What have I tried to minimize? I never claimed they were merely localized vandals.

This is simple, don't align yourselves with these people, don't collaborate, fund, organize or riot with them. If you have, you should be investigated, added to a database and dealt with accordingly.

There's the mask off moment, you're proposing an out and out police state, to be run by a transparently illiberal government that has repeatedly abused laws to target its rivals.

By your logic there is no need to designate any groups as terrorist orgs. Just have nypd charge al qaeda with homicide and arrest them.

Extraordinary powers for extraordinary circumstances.

What has Antifa done that was remotely comparable to AQ?

And like I told your fellow foreign chipper: If you want the govenrment to designate domestic terrorists, it needs laws to do so. So why not write your congressman and have them put forward legislation to that effect?

 

[TUFNewb]

What has Antifa done that was remotely comparable to AQ?

And like I told your fellow foreign chipper: If you want the govenrment to designate domestic terrorists, it needs laws to do so. So why not write your congressman and have them put forward legislation to that effect?

Commit crimes in the name of an ideology with the intent to terrorize and intimidate.

Americans voted for Trump. This is what they wanted, someone to side step the bureaucracy. Fight it out in court, if it goes against the way I think it should so be it.

 

[avenue94]

Commit crimes in the name of an ideology with the intent to terrorize and intimidate.

That's not what got them designated. What events precipitated it?

Americans voted for Trump. This is what they wanted, someone to side step the bureaucracy. Fight it out in court, if it goes against the way I think it should so be it.

Are you arguing that Americans voted in a dictator?

And what's there to fight in court?