Crime Antifa gets cancelled

[avenue94]

You're hung up on this idea that I care whether or not there is a law to designate these people domestic terrorists, counter spoiler, I dont. It's like you took a few days to figure it out and had this eureka moment of "There is no law! That's my comeback!"

I've repeatedly said, they organize,cause destruction, politically motivated violence (not equivalent to your sports team losing) rally around an ideology with insignia to boot, that's good enough to me and most people with common sense. How do they designate domestic terrorists? Do you're own homework geek.

Until then, your entire presence masquerading as the defender of constitutional rights is really just thinly veiled defense for people who routinely set fire to your country the moment people disagree with them.

Spare us your moral grandstanding.

Ah yes, the moral grandstanding known as I love Americans having the basic civil rights in the constitution.

We're going in circles here since again, you keep insisting it's possible to designate an ideology as a terror group, while proudly insisting you do not care about American legalism or due process. This is about as embarrassing as Canadian Maga larpers who can't even string together a description of American laws before commenting.

Hint: If you want the power to designate domestic terror groups, you need a law to provide that extraordinary power.

 

[oldshadow]

The KKK isn't a domestic terror group, and it also differs by having a clear structure, organization, and membership.

Want to try again?

Once again, what law do you think Trump is using to designate Antifa a terror group?

It was but it was overturned.

So the democrats have case history on their side why are they not going for it.

I have no idea what he used and if its legal the court has ruled against it in the past.

I hope the democrats come to their defense.

 

[avenue94]

It was but it was overturned.

So the democrats have case history on their side why are they not going for it.

I have no idea what he used and if its legal the court has ruled against it in the past.

I hope the democrats come to their defense.

When was it designated a domestic terror group?

 

[oldshadow]

When was it designated a domestic terror group?

You are right they didn't call ot a terrorist it was an enforcement act of 1871. Which did the same thing. I believe the Supreme Court overturned it.

Again let their political supporters take it to court by all means.

 

[avenue94]

You are right they didn't call ot a terrorist it was an enforcement act of 1871. Which did the same thing. I believe the Supreme Court overturned it.

Again let their political supporters take it to court by all means.

Which SC case are you referring to?

 

[TUFNewb]

So are the random fans of American football teams an organization then? They meet all the criteria you mentioned.

In a way yes they are an informal but crucial part of the group. They're not just outside observers. They contribute financially without them it does not exist. The fans and the team itself always say "we" when referring to both. If the team were to encourage fans to be violent or break laws at the game the team would be held responsible.

 

[avenue94]

In a way yes they are an informal but crucial part of the group. They're not just outside observers. They contribute financially without them it does not exist. The fans and the team itself always say "we" when referring to both. If the team were to encourage fans to be violent or break laws at the game the team would be held responsible.

Nazis, sure. But designating "nazis" as a terror group is plainly unconstitutional. You'd have to pick specific organizations.

 

[TUFNewb]

Nazis, sure. But designating "nazis" as a terror group is plainly unconstitutional. You'd have to pick specific organizations.

It is too general for that I agree. There are sub groups within that ideology with various ideas of what is acceptable.

Antifa is that specific terroristic sub group though. Not all communists have the goal of violent resistance, but the ones who self-identity as Antifa do.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Because that is protected by the 1st Amendment in about 80% of the instances.

And the terrorism definition could, but you kind of need a clearly defined organization to do that. One which doesn't exist here.

Lol at twisting your original argument from "we can identify Antifa by their logo" to now "we need a logo and to see someone throwing a Molotov."

Is that you admitting you that the former plainly isn't enough to categorize someone as a member of a terror group?

To be exact, I'm arguing that the definition is too vague to withstand basic constitutional scrutiny. Are you familiar with the constitution and its legal breadth? I wasn't sure since you plainly aren't American.

I'd feel the same way if someone argued that we can designate "Christian nationalists" or "Hindu extremists" or "Muslim extremists" as terrorist groups.

Ah yes, call an American who is probably more in favor of the free market than you a "commie" because you're grasping at straws to string together a coherent argument. Classic.

There’s also the sticky business of treating someone as a terrorist for wearing an antifa shirt.

 

[Madmick]

Here's your original argument, where you claim we designate any group promoting white supremacy as terrorists.

Here's the actual example you cited.

"The group promotes violent white supremacism, solicits attacks on perceived adversaries, and provides guidance and instructional materials on tactics, methods, and targets for attacks, including on critical infrastructure and government officials. The group also glorifies those who have conducted such attacks."

Note it was designated for violence, not for white supremacy, as your original claim. If white supremacy alone was enough, Facebook would have purged all the dumbass white supremacy groups that inhabit its platform already.

Do you basic English?

Holy smokes, you don't how to take a loss, do you?

 

[oldshadow]

Which SC case are you referring to?

There were a number of case that severally weaking them United States v. Cruikshank and United States v. Harris are two.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Ah yes, the moral grandstanding known as I love Americans having the basic civil rights in the constitution.

We're going in circles here since again, you keep insisting it's possible to designate an ideology as a terror group, while proudly insisting you do not care about American legalism or due process. This is about as embarrassing as Canadian Maga larpers who can't even string together a description of American laws before commenting.

Hint: If you want the power to designate domestic terror groups, you need a law to provide that extraordinary power.

No, you're running defense for terrorists suggesting it's merely an ideology and not an objectively real group of people going around wreaking havoc while prefacing it with "but my constitutional rights."

One second its that they're are just an idea, the next it's this deeply rooted concern with frivolous cases being a waste of time, the next it's your constitutional rights being infringed. Gee, sounds like you have all sorts of reasons why these people who have been documented through out history, who have a known track record for these sorts of things, who fit the criteria (fuck you, yes they do) can't be prosecuted because at the end of the day it will only harm you!

Hint: don't Molotov cocktail police precincts and you'll be alright.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

@avenue94 might as well be you up there.

 

[Confucamus]

Charlie Kirk vigil in Boston the other night had to end early because Antifa terrorists showed up and the Boston Police on site decided they presented safety concerns. This "Antifa" moniker has been taken up by some of the sickest and intolerant people this country has to offer.

 

[avenue94]

It is too general for that I agree. There are sub groups within that ideology with various ideas of what is acceptable.

Antifa is that specific terroristic sub group though. Not all communists have the goal of violent resistance, but the ones who self-identity as Antifa do.

What kind of subgroups besides Antifa are fair game in your mind?

And do you have any evidence to present that all who identify as Antifa are inherently violent terrorists?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Cool, ban Christianity right away. Ideas motivate people to commit atrocious Acts. Well, there was chattel slavery where Christianseven changed the religious doctrine of slavery so it wasnt centered on the males, but the females, so they could own their children as well.

- Yeah. But Christian churchs are the bigest responsible for charity works around the globe(or flat Earth for the dumbases)

 

[avenue94]

There’s also the sticky business of treating someone as a terrorist for wearing an antifa shirt.

Shhhh don't worry about that, just trust Trump and co.

Holy smokes, you don't how to take a loss, do you?

Ah yes, the classic madmick phase of deflect and refuse to acknowledge the basic english meaning of prior posts. You're the one who argued that the US designates as terror groups all groups that promote white supremacy, with no caveats.

There were a number of case that severally weaking them United States v. Cruikshank and United States v. Harris are two.

Both Harris and Cruikshank have been nullified by later laws clarifying that the 14th Amendment applies to individuals. You're mixing up multiple issues here in your quest to shoehorn a KKK and Antifa are both terrorist groups analogy.

 

[avenue94]

No, you're running defense for terrorists suggesting it's merely an ideology and not an objectively real group of people going around wreaking havoc while prefacing it with "but my constitutional rights."

Is that you Mr Bush/Darth Sidious?

The US government is already free to prosecute and punish people running around wreaking havoc, I have no issue with appropriately using that existing power.

One second its that they're are just an idea, the next it's this deeply rooted concern with frivolous cases being a waste of time, the next it's your constitutional rights being infringed. Gee, sounds like you have all sorts of reasons why these people who have been documented through out history, who have a known track record for these sorts of things, who fit the criteria (fuck you, yes they do) can't be prosecuted because at the end of the day it will only harm you!

The bolded part are the same concern, they don't contradict.

And fit the criteria of what law? Again, you seem completely ignorant of the fact that the US does not have a law in place to designate domestic terror groups. Feel free to write your congressman to draft a law if you want.

Oh wait...you don't have a congressman because you aren't even American.

@avenue94 might as well be you up there.

So who are some of Antifa's leaders? How is the group organized?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Is this your way of saying it's not going to happen? Because if so, I'd like to get a confirmation on that for posterity.

It's his way of saying you are a far left liberal that has brain rot.

 

[heloder]

It's his way of saying you are a far left liberal that has brain rot.

Is he too much of a coward to speak for himself?