Crime Antifa attacks Christians the Mayor of Seattle blames Christians

Evangelicals and ANTIFA are equally shitty. If we’re lucky maybe they’ll both destroy one another.

Evangelical in the contemporary American sense is really far more of a political identity than a religious one. But even putting the politics aside, they tend to display a very limited grasp on the ecclesiology of the church founded by Jesus, either don't acknowledge or understand the significance of the sacraments, and have a penchant for over-literal fundamentalist reading of the OT and Book of Revelation.
 
I am guessing most of the violence comes from just a few neighborhoods in the poorer, more diverse areas and this park we are talking of is simply a gathering place where rival gang members see each other and start shooting. Just hazarding a guess based upon my experiences on the subject of street violence. Because in general l, the state and city are predominantly Caucasian (same as portland) and the violence is typically contained to certain areas.
I'm never around there but from what I read, most of those shootings are around the basketball courts. The ones that happened during chop were some juvenile stupidity and really, that sort of area I can't see why anyone much over 30 would really want to be around unless they were stunted in some way which alot of people are.

Anyway, the weather is bringing out the violence, we had several shootings and a couple deaths just last night in downtown, no telling what that was about and on a weekday night. Had a shooting 30 miles south where 7 people were injured. I just wonder what the hell goes on in these peanut brains that just makes them so excited they want to start popping caps at everything in sight, I don't get it.
 
Evangelical in the contemporary American sense is really far more of a political identity than a religious one. But even putting the politics aside, they tend to display a very limited grasp on the ecclesiology of the church founded by Jesus, either don't acknowledge or understand the significance of the sacraments, and have a penchant for over-literal fundamentalist reading of the OT and Book of Revelation.
The ones I grew up with were such simple people, mostly good god fearing people just living their lives. There are of course dark sides, their need to demonize and judge people but as much as I really hated them when I was young, I miss them all today for some reason. Just people really, not perfect.
 
Bible literacy contained in the Old Testament is important even today because it's in large part a historical document allowing one to draw on about a thousand years of societal experience ranging from nomadic desert tribes, to tribal confederation, to kingdom, to rebellion against leadership.

It's a compressed history before we had history. It was old before the roman empire existed, and the historical wisdom in there surpasses all the begats and talking snakes.

The loss of bible literacy will hurt us in that regard - losing historical experience.
my question is always how much of it is even true, there really just isn't that much evidence that a lot of the stories are anything more than myths and stories and much if not all can be traced to older sources from other cultures. It's not that a scripture won't hit me sometimes if I hear it and it's not that there isn't truth and wisdom anywhere in it but I don't consider it any sort of divinely inspired or word of god at least not much of it if any.
 
Ross Johnston of Mayday USA who put on the event, seemingly had no issue taking responsibility for what happened:





And before anyone presumes that I support ANTIFA, I do not. Evangelicals and ANTIFA are equally shitty. If we’re lucky maybe they’ll both destroy one another.

wow, is that real? These guys need a hobby or maybe a tougher job where they'll feel the need to rest on the weekends instead of starting riots. I really just don't get it.
 
my question is always how much of it is even true, there really just isn't that much evidence that a lot of the stories are anything more than myths and stories and much if not all can be traced to older sources from other cultures. It's not that a scripture won't hit me sometimes if I hear it and it's not that there isn't truth and wisdom anywhere in it but I don't consider it any sort of divinely inspired or word of god at least not much of it if any.
There's historical underpinnings to it if you want to look at it as a historical document.
But if you mean the more mystical stuff, i'm not a believer, so ...i don't buy the whole crucifixion - resurrection/miracles/opening of the seas aspects of it, so maybe i'm not the right person to ask.

i do believe that religion has a very important social role that deals with intangibles we cannot simply leave for the state though.
 
There's historical underpinnings to it if you want to look at it as a historical document.
But if you mean the more mystical stuff, i'm not a believer, so ...i don't buy the whole crucifixion - resurrection/miracles/opening of the seas aspects of it, so maybe i'm not the right person to ask.

i do believe that religion has a very important social role that deals with intangibles we cannot simply leave for the state though.
as much as the believers may deny it, there just isn't much evidence that any of those biblical figures existed and as I said, most of them are based on older stories from other cultures.

Of course the purpose of the religion was to largely to create some sort of order for the survival of the tribe, outmoded stuff like not eating pork because somehow they had to have learned that they'd get worms from it wouldn't apply today but people still avoid pork. So, for the time, rules that may have been good aren't applicable today. In fact, I find it fascinating that the Apache Indians somehow picked up some sort of similar avoidance of fish, it's fascinating because they are descendants of my tribe who wouldn't have survived without eating salmon for thousands of years. So.., I can only guess that at some point in time something bad happened after someone at fish and it became a taboo to eat it, but it's not really based on anything really logical. We have more info than people had back in these stone ages and bronze ages or what have you, we should at least try to use it.

However, having grown up in church, people have the right to believe as they will. To me it's sad to see people spend their whole lives believing that stuff and never having a chance to see anything else because their parents brainwashed them young. It's sad to me but it's not to them and it's their business really.
 
You'd think after Andy made you look like a fool the first few hundred times your'd stop copy pasting his garbage. Fell for it again award for you

He is THE source on all things antifa and when discussing them, I will use his information. Oh no, some douche thinks I look like a fool when it is in black and white that they requested another venue. They have the right to speak and rent out a park and they should be able to do so without fearing for their lives from a bunch of twats. Are they homophobic and anti trans, it certainly appears so, but its freedom of speech and nothing you or anqueefa can say that takes away those rights.
 
Ross Johnston of Mayday USA who put on the event, seemingly had no issue taking responsibility for what happened:





And before anyone presumes that I support ANTIFA, I do not. Evangelicals and ANTIFA are equally shitty. If we’re lucky maybe they’ll both destroy one another.


It doesn’t change the fact that they requested another venue first. And yeah, the church seems to be full of twats and trolls but even trolls and twats have freedom of speech
 
Ah yes, the britney spears of arguments - corinthians 5:12. I knew you would collapse on it. Now, if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know the context - it's about excommunicating an incestuous brother, it has nothing to do with nonbelievers outside the church, who can't be excommunicated because they're not even in it, and the whole verse it has nothing to do with not being able to judge those outside the church.

This really solidifies it for me - you have no clue what you're talking about. You're just fumbling through this. Christians absolutely have the right to judge - they can judge criminals, :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes, homosexuals, thieves, incestuous relationships, all sorts of depravity. It's so ingrained in the christian ethos that the fucking church is doing it. and now i'm talking to some dude whose entire life is getting pucnhed in the head fumbling through some gradeschool level sophistry according to which oh no, christians can't judge.

Romans is another red herring. The church has every right to proclaim god's judgement and what it entails, and who it touches. god is the final judge, but the church, and christians, telling the depraved why they will be judged, is absolutely by the book. the church and the christians have every right to speak out on what the judgement of god shall entail. Your argument is basically one of a church of apathy, that would not have survived a century. it has survived 2 thousand years precisely because it has constantly lifted its hand to point the finger. towards what shall dissolve under god's judgement.

Also, since you're copy-pasting my reply to you about how you don't understand religious concepts, it's pretty clear this discussion is giving you PTSD.

Where are you copy pasting this shit from?
There's zero chance you know this on your own, it's very clear to me, so it's either chatgpt or you're feverishly messaging somebody.
you're fumbling too much for me to believe this is actually your stuff. and you're fumbling exactly in the places i'd have expected you to fumble.

i should have expected it though. everytime i hear the "ummm like christians shouldnt judge mkay jesus was about love" i just know a dumb discussion is coming.

sad.
I will happily respond to this When I catch a second, but I really don’t understand why you choose to be such a dick.
 
I'm never around there but from what I read, most of those shootings are around the basketball courts. The ones that happened during chop were some juvenile stupidity and really, that sort of area I can't see why anyone much over 30 would really want to be around unless they were stunted in some way which alot of people are.

Anyway, the weather is bringing out the violence, we had several shootings and a couple deaths just last night in downtown, no telling what that was about and on a weekday night. Had a shooting 30 miles south where 7 people were injured. I just wonder what the hell goes on in these peanut brains that just makes them so excited they want to start popping caps at everything in sight, I don't get it.

Juveniles are a huge perpetrator in the violence but so are adults that are worthless pieces of shit
 
Juveniles are a huge perpetrator in the violence but so are adults that are worthless pieces of shit
absolutely, either way I just wonder what goes on in their stupid heads, are they just trying to impress the women and the men? so senseless. I'm reading that last nights downtown shooting was two teens, I don't know what the shooter was but some licensed carrier took it upon himself to kill him.

Retardation or some for of stuntedness has to be behind a lot of this. Don't they say the majority of people in prison have some sort of issue like fetal alcohol or some shit? I just struggle to understand people sometimes but they can't all be retards and I don't see why someone is so angry that they just want to shoot willy nilly at strangers, just madness. I've always been an oddball though, shunned social events and small talk so maybe it's natural not to understand.

I also suppose that seeing my parents fight so much at parties or gatherings made me question why they even did it.
 
There's historical underpinnings to it if you want to look at it as a historical document. But if you mean the more mystical stuff, i'm not a believer, so ...i don't buy the whole crucifixion - resurrection/miracles/opening of the seas aspects of it, so maybe i'm not the right person to ask. i do believe that religion has a very important social role that deals with intangibles we cannot simply leave for the state though.

The crucifixion itself at least has a ton of historical validity to it, and that alone makes almost everything about Christianity more fascinating. Outside of the gospels, there's no such consensus in regards to his ministry except that he started one and was brutally murdered for it. If he was as the NT describes, the dude had a pretty extraordinary ethics and moral code for somebody living in the savagery of the 1st century that cuts a really sympathetic figure given what happened to him. All of his original apostles suffered similarly brutal deaths aside from John, along with many others who came afterwards (including Paul).

The Crucifixion of Jesus was the death of Jesus of Nazareth by being nailed to a cross. It occurred in 1st-century Judaea, most likely in AD 30 or AD 33. The event is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, and attested to by other ancient sources. Scholars nearly universally accept the historicity of Jesus's crucifixion, although there is no consensus on the details. According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged and finally crucified by the Romans. The Gospel of John portrays his death as a sacrifice for sin. Collectively referred to as the Passion, Jesus's suffering and redemptive death by crucifixion are the central aspects of Christian theology concerning the doctrines of salvation and atonement.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]
 
absolutely, either way I just wonder what goes on in their stupid heads, are they just trying to impress the women and the men? so senseless. I'm reading that last nights downtown shooting was two teens, I don't know what the shooter was but some licensed carrier took it upon himself to kill him.

Retardation or some for of stuntedness has to be behind a lot of this. Don't they say the majority of people in prison have some sort of issue like fetal alcohol or some shit? I just struggle to understand people sometimes but they can't all be retards and I don't see why someone is so angry that they just want to shoot willy nilly at strangers, just madness. I've always been an oddball though, shunned social events and small talk so maybe it's natural not to understand.

I also suppose that seeing my parents fight so much at parties or gatherings made me question why they even did it.

The human brain doesn’t fully stop developing until the age of around 25 and teens think with their emotional brain (the amygdala) so they make rash decisions. They are trying to impress their friends and they do that with extreme violence because they want to be feared and respected. I hate little violent twats regardless of whether they are fully formed or not.
 
Evangelical in the contemporary American sense is really far more of a political identity than a religious one. But even putting the politics aside, they tend to display a very limited grasp on the ecclesiology of the church founded by Jesus, either don't acknowledge or understand the significance of the sacraments, and have a penchant for over-literal fundamentalist reading of the OT and Book of Revelation.
Yup. Whitewashed tombs, all of them.

wow, is that real? These guys need a hobby or maybe a tougher job where they'll feel the need to rest on the weekends instead of starting riots. I really just don't get it.
Yeah, as far as I know it’s real.
I’m not on Twitter myself, this was my source for those.

It doesn’t change the fact that they requested another venue first. And yeah, the church seems to be full of twats and trolls but even trolls and twats have freedom of speech
I agree, even twats and trolls have freedom of speech. What I was meaning to point out is that it seemed like those good Christian folks consider themselves responsible for starting the riot. Or at least, some of their leaders sure seem glad it happened. Hard to feel too sorry for them if that’s the case.
 
Alright, so-

Ah yes, the britney spears of arguments - corinthians 5:12. I knew you would collapse on it. Now, if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know the context - it's about excommunicating an incestuous brother, it has nothing to do with nonbelievers outside the church, who can't be excommunicated because they're not even in it, and the whole verse it has nothing to do with not being able to judge those outside the church.
Again i notice you don’t have scriptural doctrine to back up your claims. Your hermeneutics need a lot of work, and if you haven’t read 1Cor 5 in its entirety you should. It’s short and answers a lot of your questions.

To wit (to whit?) - Paul tells them to judge and kick out the Christian who’s doing ungodly things. He then says specifically that he isn’t referring to non believers.
This really solidifies it for me - you have no clue what you're talking about. You're just fumbling through this. Christians absolutely have the right to judge - they can judge criminals, :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes, homosexuals, thieves, incestuous relationships, all sorts of depravity. It's so ingrained in the christian ethos that the fucking church is doing it. and now i'm talking to some dude whose entire life is getting pucnhed in the head fumbling through some gradeschool level sophistry according to which oh no, christians can't judge.
Cool, explain why all those verses say otherwise? We’ve established the Bible says 1. All sin is equal under the eyes of god, and 2. Everyone sins.

Also I’m a coach not a fighter. No head trauma for me, thank you.
judge, but the church, and christians, telling the depraved why they will be judged, is absolutely by the book. the church and the christians have every right to speak out on what the judgement of god shall entail
Yes! No Argument here and you are so close to understand what myself and Jesus were saying in regards to the topic. You can point out gods judgment on somebody’s actions while still loving them, and not judging those actions yourself, the way the Bible explicitly says you are supposed to.

My argument is simple: If you are a Christian, you should do the things Christ says to do. It’s not chat, GPT and I don’t need to message anybody, I was a seminary student.
 
The human brain doesn’t fully stop developing until the age of around 25 and teens think with their emotional brain (the amygdala) so they make rash decisions. They are trying to impress their friends and they do that with extreme violence because they want to be feared and respected. I hate little violent twats regardless of whether they are fully formed or not.
ya, i've heard that excuse, I don't believe that mess. Notice we only started hearing that crap in the last few years. Developed or undeveloped doesn't mean you are automatically violent, all sorts of excuses for stupidity. I am sure one huge component is just no parenting.
 
Yup. Whitewashed tombs, all of them.


Yeah, as far as I know it’s real.
I’m not on Twitter myself, this was my source for those.


I agree, even twats and trolls have freedom of speech. What I was meaning to point out is that it seemed like those good Christian folks consider themselves responsible for starting the riot. Or at least, some of their leaders sure seem glad it happened. Hard to feel too sorry for them if that’s the case.
they do have the right but I keep saying common sense is needed. that area is just trouble. You have the right to do a lot of things but use your head for chrissakes.
 
I'm not a fan of the gratuitous, intentional agitation in terms of protesting in places just to piss people off; I'm also not a lover of hateful messages, religious or not. The city organization that sanctioned this claimed they had no other place to put them; it sounds like they are investigating whether that is true, as it may have unnecessarily contributed to these problems.

Despite my distaste for this group's message and the way the situation went down, I also am NOT going to support political violence of any kind. We are just not there yet as a nation where that is necessary for the greater good- and I hope we never get there. I have a hard time believing people that come to the protest with their faces and heads covered aren't up to something elicit. There were several of these protesters that are charged with assaulting police officers as I am hearing, and those charges should be upheld just like the ones on Jan. 6 should have been upheld. You lose the moral high ground when you turn to violence as a way to send your message.
 
Yup. Whitewashed tombs, all of them.


Yeah, as far as I know it’s real.
I’m not on Twitter myself, this was my source for those.


I agree, even twats and trolls have freedom of speech. What I was meaning to point out is that it seemed like those good Christian folks consider themselves responsible for starting the riot. Or at least, some of their leaders sure seem glad it happened. Hard to feel too sorry for them if that’s the case.

Oh, they definitely trolling. They said at the end that they wanted to thank antifa for showing up to their church sermon, which is pretty fucking funny if you ask me. I am not religious at all and find it all rather creepy when you get this deep into it. I don’t agree with any of their stances or options that I have seen. I am mostly pro abortion at least in certain cases or rather I should say I am only against it in certain cases, I am pro lgbtq, and probably many other areas I disagree with this church…..but, they did piss off antifa so that’s gotta be worth something
 
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