another shooting at ft hood.

[UpaLoompa]

That literally has NEVER happened before Clinton made all US bases gun-free zones. In 200+ fucking years, not a single individual out of a hundred million US military personnel.. not one situation has ever come up where people were shooting at each other in confusion from a mass shooter.

I seriously fucking doubt that.

Then again you're also likely one of those people that believes most mass shootings occur in gun free zones despite the numbers not backing that up.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Why has no one responded to the details of this post?

You did.

Aren't you at work kinda early?

 

[Its Me Austin]

I wonder if being in Iraq broke his brain. It probably didn't help much.

He was in logistics and only spent four months there in 2011.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

This seems a very complex issue. To name a few:

You have legitimate cases of people flipping out cause they can't cope with - [you name it]

Statistically, you've got a number of Service people already with suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

You have a class of medication being handed out which tends to drive already fucked up people to even more extreme states.

You got a psychiatric board who prolly has to keep an eye out for fraudulent cases, (four months) how many people try to get disability checks for life?

You can't just say give them all rifles, because there's too many morons in the service.

On the other hand, clearly there's a break down in security if a single shooter can move about a base whacking people left and right... That's a serious breakdown.

Think of the damage a small organized group pull off, once inside a base.... It's not difficult to get on a base either.


Certainly more questions than answers at this point.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Aren't you at work kinda early?

Coffee, at home. But since I'll have to leave early today for some meetings, I am actually now in the office a bit early.

Thanks for checking up on me!

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

Coffee, at home. But since I'll have to leave early today for some meetings, I am actually now in the office a bit early.

Thanks for checking up on me!

You're a model employee, keep up the good work.

 

[jlagman]

I seriously fucking doubt that.

Then again you're also likely one of those people that believes most mass shootings occur in gun free zones despite the numbers not backing that up.

You're right, they happen in inner city ghettos with police trade in guns. How are legal gun owners at fault again?

 

[LightenUp]

Anyone else think its kind of strange that there is another soldier "losing it" and shooting up the base. Think that there could be some fucked up stuff going on there, and they know they cant go to the authorities with it? or some serious leadership issues?

Just thought it was strange, I know soldiers aren't exactly stable individuals but It kind of makes you wonder if these incidents are somewhat related.


Thoughts?

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

You know soldiers aren't stable individuals?

 

[LightenUp]

You know soldiers aren't stable individuals?

in my opinion. No, not at all.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

just don't blame me.
I'm armed wherever I go.
and I promise not to shoot you
unless you legitimately threaten my life.
good day.

Like throwing popcorn at you or having my music too loud?

 

[UpaLoompa]

You're right, they happen in inner city ghettos with police trade in guns. How are legal gun owners at fault again?

It's not the fault of legal gun owners and I don't support further or even all existing gun regulations/restrictions. I also don't support shitty arguments made for either pro-gun or anti-gun positions. Here we see some pretty shitty arguments being made from pro-gun posters so that's worth addressing. In other threads I happily argue/argued against moronic positions made by anti-gun posters like BigD and TheQu.

You're a model employee, keep up the good work.

I head what is effectively an autonomous group. Despite being one of the most junior group leaders I'm the most productive in terms of publications. So yeah, I am a model employee. Do you not post from work?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

I head what is effectively an autonomous group. Despite being one of the most junior group leaders I'm the most productive in terms of publications. So yeah, I am a model employee. Do you not post from work?

Is that a tinge of defensiveness? Ha ha, Internet context being what it is, that wasn't meant an insult.

Course I post at work, I only post at work, what do you think I do all day, work?

 

[Bay Area]

Like throwing popcorn at you or having my music too loud?

I should shoot you for saying that.

 

[Madmick]

It's not the fault of legal gun owners and I don't support further or even all existing gun regulations/restrictions. I also don't support shitty arguments made for either pro-gun or anti-gun positions. Here we see some pretty shitty arguments being made from pro-gun posters so that's worth addressing. In other threads I happily argue/argued against moronic positions made by anti-gun posters like BigD and TheQu.

This more or less summarizes my role on the board in regards to this issue.

 

[45ACP]

He is referring to the MAs when they arrive on site, it greatly slows down the process of apprehending the shooter with multiple people armed. Apparently it was a tough one for you.

If multiple people are armed the threat will be taken care of long before the MAs arrive, no?

 

[36thDisciple]

I can see the blame game is in full effect with the usual suspects politicizing a tragedy while it's still underway.

Awesome.

Yeah. Right out the gate, on the first page too. Right up to POTUS, no rungs skipped. LOL sad.

 

[DangDaGawd]

If multiple people are armed the threat will be taken care of long before the MAs arrive, no?

Assumption, the mother of all fuckups

 

[36thDisciple]

I agree that the problem is complex.

Dude didn't even see combat. He was fucked in the head already prior. Not trying to say people don't get PTSD stemming from other issues downrange, but people are going to look at it more critically if he didn't see combat action.

He was also probably disgruntled. Dudes was in the Army for, what, six years and still a Specialist? So there are likely issues there.

We can't even say we have to tighten up our process at MEPS to catch the crazies before they enlist, because there's no fuckin way. Disturbed folks can pass a screening easily if they want to, and if there's no priors on their record, forget it. Most importantly, dude was already seeing an Army psych and was prescribed medication. The psych also didn't see any signs of violent behavior.

Arming everyone on post is not a solution, it's a fuckin knee-jerk bandaid and just plain ridiculous in nature.

Seems to be no fix.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

I wonder, what might the stats been in the past. Before after WWI, Before After WWII, etc... (as far as base shootings n what not)

Wonder if there's any correlation that might glean anything.

If the past mirrors the present, there may in fact be little fixable here. If its more a recent phenomena, then maybe........