Andrew Yang: Dems don't do shit for the working class

[AgonyandIrony]

Is this about Boomers, the DSA killing it, or just hurting like I am about Dom losing the belt? Because I agree poor Dom.

A documented racist
Sold out to bankers
Took America from creditor to debtor nation within first term
Foisted up numerous dictators
Sold out to religious nutjobs
Pushed an anti-science, anti-education position since time as governor
Terrible public health policies, especially on AIDs
Did nothing about brutally high murder rates across the nation
Iran/Contra

etc etc etc

It's like how with Trump, they go "He didn't start any wars!!!" while ignoring his huge ramp up in drone strikes, selling of weapons to a Wahhabist lead nation in SA, and kissed up to dictators the world over while needlessly killing more American CIVILIANS than most all our wars combined.

Great post and I absolutely agree on all fronts. It's an odd thing of course, my absolute adoration and support of Rojava, but when Obama was president Kurdish leaders praised Biden immensely. With Biden in charge, while not ideal, Erdogan will likely stop supporting his rape militias in Kurdish territories in Iraq and Syria.

Reagan was truly a horrible horrible human being though. He really destroyed the United States in a way that not many people can fathom, plus dude was insanely racist against Black Americans, and that's literally on record, not just his domestic policies. Reagan was an unabashed white supremacist

 

[moreorless87]

This is a solid post dude, but one thing I'll give Biden credit for, is he's closer on public education and environmental regulation to Sanders than he is to Trump and those resonate highly with progressive voters like myself.

I get the sense with Sanders though there was alot more potential for environmental policy to become increasingly progressive, the reality for me their is that investment is key. Environmentalism doesn't need to mean cutting out good industrial jobs and sending them to China, it can mean creating a lot of them investing in a green infrastructure.

The US really seems to have forgotten that so much of the post war prosperity was based on broad infrastructure investment of the new deal under FDR and honestly even someone like Ike would be viewed as a flithy socialist. The way its responding to the 2008 recession seems much closer to the Weimar republic, desperately trying to hold onto the status quo.

Not that vast amounts of money arent being spent but mostly its to prop up the stock market and property prices.

 

[BAM]

That's great. As long as they feel good, other things don't matter. Children living under every bridge in Los Angeles is fine as long as we can pretend the president is a nice guy.

Spoiler alert: Biden has never once displayed that he has anyone's best interests at heart except rich people and banks. Thanks for confirming that people only wanted their side to win and policies that actually affect people don't matter.

well, I don't have a side. I don't vote democrat or republican.

Based on what I've seen of you, you lack insight into the human condition and are probably still scratching your head as to why Bernie doesn't resonate despite having better policies. One of those people that just burns down bridges and gets into pissing contests online and wonders why you can't get any traction in coalition building or convincing people to agree with you. A Jimmy Dore rather than an AOC.

 

[skysolo]

well, I don't have a side. I don't vote democrat or republican.

Based on what I've seen of you, you lack insight into the human condition and are probably still scratching your head as to why Bernie doesn't resonate despite having better policies. One of those people that just burns down bridges and gets into pissing contests online and wonders why you can't get any traction in coalition building or convincing people to agree with you. A Jimmy Dore rather than an AOC.

Not you specifically. The royal you.

I never said I was a bridge builder. I just have finally put my foot down. You are either for accessible health care during a pandemic or you are not. There is no inbetween.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I get the sense with Sanders though there was alot more potential for environmental policy to become increasingly progressive, the reality for me their is that investment is key. Environmentalism doesn't need to mean cutting out good industrial jobs and sending them to China, it can mean creating a lot of them investing in a green infrastructure.

The US really seems to have forgotten that so much of the post war prosperity was based on broad infrastructure investment of the new deal under FDR and honestly even someone like Ike would be viewed as a flithy socialist. The way its responding to the 2008 recession seems much closer to the Weimar republic, desperately trying to hold onto the status quo.

Not that vast amounts of money arent being spent but mostly its to prop up the stock market and property prices.

No homo but your post was so good it gave me a boner. You're absolutely correct, despite Trump promising the coal industry (and I can go the fuck off about the coal wars and how violent coal workers used to be) they would come back it just isn't happening, same with the oil industry. We have seen positive results in other nations regarding initial subsidization that the industries thrive when it comes to green industry.

FDR was truly the greatest American president due to his willingness to invest in the American spirit and the idea of drastic restructuring, which is frankly what we need the most.

We can still negate things like NAFTA and bring back those kinds of jobs as well as investing in clean industry as well as rebuilding roads and investing in better national public transportation.

 

[skysolo]

 

[BAM]

Not you specifically. The royal you.

I never said I was a bridge builder. I just have finally put my foot down. You are either for accessible health care during a pandemic or you are not. There is no inbetween.

But how do you accomplish your goal? How does your position accomplish anything in the US?

It is actually an easier position to say I will be rigid in my morality and beliefs and be uncompromising. It's easier to sleep at night; it's easier to argue in debates. However, in reality, this requires the outcome to be produced by others while criticising them for their lack of integrity.

It is harder to navigate it all and try and progress the matter further; especially in such a divided country with corruption. Progress will require compromise, flexibility, calculated risks, eating some shit, occasional setbacks and hopefully getting an improved outcome each time.

 

[blaseblah]

Is being slightly more likable than two unlikable scumbags really the metric? Okay, fine. But Yang said he is a uniting presence but he isn't. 70 million voted for an incompetent clown than him and another 80-90 million didn't vote at all.

He's more of a uniter than Trump was. He's not gonna spend time on Twitter shitting on the right and building animosity. Republicans don't hate him like they do Hillary. But like Yang said, Democrats need to figure out how to appeal to the working class.

 

[skysolo]

He's more of a uniter than Trump was. He's not gonna spend time on Twitter shitting on the right and building animosity.

Again, this is about Biden. Stop telling me about Trump. We know Trump is an incompetent clown. Now what?

Republicans don't hate him like they do Hillary. But like Yang said, Democrats need to figure out how to appeal to the working class.

Republicans loved him because citibank chose Obama's cabinet. So why not again?

 

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[MastiffMike]

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[The_Renaissance]

Politicians are not working class people. Therefore, they will never prioritise the lives of the working class - they will look out for themselves and their peers. IE - Wealthy people.

People will realise this soon. Biden and Harris will be equally hated as Obama before long, yet the public will still claim that race is the cause of all their problems, rather than class.

 

[boxingskills]

A guy in politics that isn't full of shit. Figures he is Asain, because they actually have morals and I say that as a white guy.

 

[moreorless87]

No homo but your post was so good it gave me a boner. You're absolutely correct, despite Trump promising the coal industry (and I can go the fuck off about the coal wars and how violent coal workers used to be) they would come back it just isn't happening, same with the oil industry. We have seen positive results in other nations regarding initial subsidization that the industries thrive when it comes to green industry.

FDR was truly the greatest American president due to his willingness to invest in the American spirit and the idea of drastic restructuring, which is frankly what we need the most.

We can still negate things like NAFTA and bring back those kinds of jobs as well as investing in clean industry as well as rebuilding roads and investing in better national public transportation.

There does seem to be this fantasy that's grown up in the Reagan years onwards that the post war era was somehow a miracle of laissez faire capitalism. The republicans of that era were further to the left than the mainstream democrats are today when it came to investment in infrastructure.

Those who really lose out from restructuring of course are those at the very top who are heavily invested in a high carbon economy. They'll fight to hold back the tide for as long as they can.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

There does seem to be this fantasy that's grown up in the Reagan years onwards that the post war era was somehow a miracle of laissez faire capitalism. The republicans of that era were further to the left than the mainstream democrats are today when it came to investment in infrastructure.

Those who really lose out from restructuring of course are those at the very top who are heavily invested in a high carbon economy. They'll fight to hold back the tide for as long as they can.

Well the post Reagan era certainly had major issues, but generally the working class was far more prosperous. High tax rates allowed for a better society, as well as cheap housing and high paying jobs and the crack epidemic really helped drive working class communities apart based on race. And it's a known fact Reagan legit thought blacks were inferior to whites.

Not to mention ol mental illness himself closed the mental health facilities which is a massive contributor to the homeless crisis we have now.

Like you said dude. Pure fantasy.

 

[superpunch]

well, I don't have a side. I don't vote democrat or republican.

Based on what I've seen of you, you lack insight into the human condition and are probably still scratching your head as to why Bernie doesn't resonate despite having better policies. One of those people that just burns down bridges and gets into pissing contests online and wonders why you can't get any traction in coalition building or convincing people to agree with you. A Jimmy Dore rather than an AOC.

Bernie wants to institute a trading tax, take away 25% of everyone American's stock portfolio to give to "democratic employee funds", ban nuclear energy, ban fracking, and convert the entire electric grid to green energy (-nuclear) within 10 years.. do you have any idea what those things would do lol? Bernie is nuts.

 

[BAM]

Bernie wants to institute a trading tax, take away 25% of everyone American's stock portfolio to give to "democratic employee funds", ban nuclear energy, ban fracking, and convert the entire electric grid to green energy (-nuclear) within 10 years.. do you have any idea what those things would do lol? Bernie is nuts.

Well none of that would pass. He makes a bunch of promises he cant deliver on and eventually compromises

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Well none of that would pass. He makes a bunch of promises he cant deliver on and eventually compromises

I feel you're being a bit unfair buddy. I still maintain the Sanders vision for the faith and I'm proud of the DSA for what we've done recently. Bernie Bro til death (got a Bernie Sanders Run The Jewels shirt in the mail right now lol)

Bernie promised what he wanted to give America, and historically he compromises for the betterment of all Americans, dude wasn't really a
compromiser until Trump.

 

[BAM]

I feel you're being a bit unfair buddy. I still maintain the Sanders vision for the faith and I'm proud of the DSA for what we've done recently. Bernie Bro til death (got a Bernie Sanders Run The Jewels shirt in the mail right now lol)

Bernie promised what he wanted to give America, and historically he compromises for the betterment of all Americans, dude wasn't really a
compromiser until Trump.

Lol AOC let the cat out of the bag during her interviews while stumping for him during the primaries. In particular M4A vs public option.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Lol AOC let the cat out of the bag during her interviews while stumping for him during the primaries. In particular M4A vs public option.

She made concessions, every single realistic leftist knows we have four more years until we overtake the Boomers, AOC is making concessions sure but she's also already on the attack again concerning Dem establishment.

Some doofuses here put all their faith just in Sanders but when he lost the nom we put out faith in DSA members running for office. Anarchist through and through but we have to be realistic you heard me?