Andrew Tate arrested

ObsoleteSoul said:
It’s all good. You can’t attack anyone online lol

To be clear, I definitely heard of him before today, but learned of him from this thread. Seen the name, but never watched anything on him. That red-pill stuff isn’t for me

I agree. People shouldn’t listen to him. I never said they should. Though I get why some people like him. You brought up hitler earlier. Was it the lack of meaning in German lives that caused them to follow him, or was it that hit on some issues that resonated with folks, and he packaged along horrible things with it? Politicians do it to this day with hiding pet projects in bills that sound appealing based on separate issues. Thats what i meant with Tate. He is telling men there is nothing wrong with feeling certain qualities of a man, at the same time saying and doing abhorrent acts. You and I would not fall under that, but many people just hear what they want, and discard the rest. Evil as it may be. Not saying that’s right, only that’s something that indeed happens.

Sorry. Not as articulate as many of you here, so things will be lost in translation.
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Not sure about the Hitler thing. I know there was an economic sort of problem and situation in Germany that Hitler capitalized on, but I don't think it was the lack of meaning that I'm talking about here.

And I really am not trying to argue just so you know. But what qualities are not allowed for men these days because I'm a grown man and I'm pretty masculine although I have a strong feminine side also due to spiritual development, but I've never really felt like it wasn't okay for me to be a man. I know the problem is real. I've watched a lot on it and read on it, but I'm just not sure what masculine qualities are not allowed these days?

I am in the camp that agrees that men are being castigated for being the way they are to some degree. I don't think there's nothing to this at all. But I wonder if it's just uneducated lefties s******* on men in certain ways making people think that because I'm not sure there's really an ideological problem that is actually being hoisted on men here. There is such a thing as toxic masculinity that's very real. I don't think that has much to do with being a man though...

So what specific qualities would be associated with being a man that you have heard or seen are not allowed?
 
terrapin said:
Not sure about the Hitler thing. I know there was an economic sort of problem and situation in Germany that Hitler capitalized on, but I don't think it was the lack of meaning that I'm talking about here.

And I really am not trying to argue just so you know. But what qualities are not allowed for men these days because I'm a grown man and I'm pretty masculine although I have a strong feminine side also due to spiritual development, but I've never really felt like it wasn't okay for me to be a man. I know the problem is real. I've watched a lot on it and read on it, but I'm just not sure what masculine qualities are not allowed these days?

I am in the camp that agrees that men are being castigated for being the way they are to some degree. I don't think there's nothing to this at all. But I wonder if it's just uneducated lefties s******* on men in certain ways making people think that because I'm not sure there's really an ideological problem that is actually being hoisted on men here. There is such a thing as toxic masculinity that's very real. I don't think that has much to do with being a man though...

So what specific qualities would be associated with being a man that you have heard or seen are not allowed?
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So then you already know. I am not sure what else to say, man. It is there in schools, in media, et cetera. I deal with the schools, and my sons cannot be a bit boisterous and loud, but the girls can. Schools here took out shop, but home ec is there. Both are equally useful, and able to be used by both genders. There are others too, but folks will agree or disagree based on feelings, so more examples ain't changing hearts and minds, ya know?

Now, I am not acting like this is the end of the world. I am not an ultra-masculine man myself. At all. Though not some sniveling, milquetoast muppet either. I am saying that there is a rules for thee, but not for me thing happening, and people are noticing. I have yet to see anything about toxic, or uncouth female behavior being chastised. Has it happened somewhere, in some far-off unknown station or paper? For sure, but there is no comparing the two sides as of now.

It is definitely more on the leftiest side of things, but that is where our culture is now, so that makes sense, and it appears to be going further in that direction. This will continue along, and the issue will get bigger. Though I hope the red-pill shit stops too. It is a nasty way to combat some issues they are facing, and it will not lead to great things for those who subscribe to it, not to mention the ill-effects it will have on a growing part of our society.
 
terrapin said:
What you are describing when it is true is only a tiny fraction of the problem though,
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This isnt a biblical(?) issue. Internet gives a way for those who shouldnt have a voice a voice while being able to congregate with like minded others. As a species we are also programmed to engage more relating to negativity.
 
KaNesDeath said:
This isnt a biblical(?) issue. Internet gives a way for those who shouldnt have a voice a voice while being able to congregate with like minded others. As a species we are also programmed to engage more relating to negativity.
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It's a massive issue.

But I'm talking about a much deeper problem, sometimes refered to as the "meta crisis". It's the singular issue that leads to and enlivens every other issue we face.
 
Spam On Rye said:
I must've misread what you said or got it mixed up with another post. I think it could be argued that Enlightenment values played a significant role in the onset of nihilism.
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No problem. How do you frame that though? I would think in the absence of religion enlightenment values are our only defence against nihilism although they have not lived up to expectations as many had hoped.
 
terrapin said:
No problem. How do you frame that though? I would think in the absence of religion enlightenment values are our only defence against nihilism although they have not lived up to expectations as many had hoped.
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Philosophically I'd come at it from Hume's angle with the "is/ought" problem. I don't think materialism can tell us what we ought to do. Then you end up with Marx and Neitzsche and people thinking they can build their own god and calculate their way to utopia which leads to the greatest bloodbath in human history. Of course there's deeper theological issues at play here but coming at it internally from a materialists own pov seems the best attack.
 
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