Ancient megalithic structures and sites.

[superpunch]

How does that change the point of what I said?

We know Romans built exceptional, large structures, with heavier weights than that guy was lifting in his backyard. It's not just a matter of lifting and moving things around.

Other sites excluded for the purposes of the point, the Khufu pyramid at Giza is the most expensive single project humans have ever undertaken and it is a master class in engineering and sophisticated architecture, it's not just a stack of blocks to a point. If it was built in 2600bc it is something that is nearly perfectly crafted at essentially the dawn of civilization...and was never repeated afterwards.

And?

 

[syct23]

These structures took like 50-100 years and huge parts of ancient national economies to build. They didn't go up in 6 months like modern construction.

When you look at these buildings, it's also like "what could we build if we used the entire $600 billion yearly US military budget on a scientific project?"

Well, just one year of military spending is enough 45 Mars missions from start to finish. So more like hundreds of them. Then you have the next year's spending.. We'd be in the stars and in the technological singularity if we had the focus these civilizations had on these buildings.

And that's just 3% of our economy.

You're right!

I'm pretty sure they were thinking about their economy well building these monolithic strucures..

 

[superpunch]

You're right!

I'm pretty sure they were thinking about their economy well building these monolithic strucures..

They weren't. I'm sure they had economic busts and some civilizations probably collapsed trying to build this shit. The point is these structures were main focuses of their entire civilizations, not just some funded construction project

 

[Soul Crusher]

Most of the Native Americans lived like primitive level civilization, yeah. But quite a few had developed advanced civilizations: the Mayans, Aztecs, etc. I'm not sure why you're calling them "primitive man". And how they could build these structures has been readily explained.

Perhaps they had a substance that dissolved the granite and basalt.

Perhaps they used that one redneck's engineering techniques.

But aliens

Primitive when compared to today.

The Inca did not build those structures. There is the highly precise stone work and then the greatly inferior Inca stone work on top of it. The precise stone structures were destroyed and the rest of it is no where to be found.

What substance would that be and how would they obtain it in great quantities? Did they have chemical labs at that time and chemical manufacturing plants? Why didn't the Spanish record any of it?

I never said aliens.

 

[Mcmoon]

How does that change the point of what I said?

We know Romans built exceptional, large structures, with heavier weights than that guy was lifting in his backyard. It's not just a matter of lifting and moving things around.

Other sites excluded for the purposes of the point, the Khufu pyramid at Giza is the most expensive single project humans have ever undertaken and it is a master class in engineering and sophisticated architecture, it's not just a stack of blocks to a point. If it was built in 2600bc it is something that is nearly perfectly crafted at essentially the dawn of civilization...and was never repeated afterwards.

Isn't there a lot of debate between egyptologist, engineers, and geologists on how old the Khufu pyramid is? I believe egpytologist say it took like 20 years to build but engineers are saying with what they had it would have had to take far longer which means it is older or there is some kind of undiscovered technique or tool they used.

 

[superpunch]

Primitive when compared to today.

The Inca did not build those structures. There is the highly precise stone work and then the greatly inferior Inca stone work on top of it. The precise stone structures were destroyed and the rest of it is no where to be found.

What substance would that be and how would they obtain it in great quantities? Did they have chemical labs at that time and chemical manufacturing plants? Why didn't the Spanish record any of it?

I never said aliens.

From a famous British explorer's journal in Peru:

Talking of birds, all through the Peruvian and Bolivian Montana is to be found a small bird like a kingfisher, which makes its nest in neat round holes in the rocky escarpment above the river. These holes can plainly be seen, but are not usually accessible, and strangely enough they are found only where the birds are present. I once expressed surprise that they were lucky enough to find nesting-holes conveniently placed for them, and so neatly hollowed out – as though with a drill. “They make the holes themselves.” The words were spoken by a man who had spent a quarter of a century in the forests. “I’ve seen how they do it, many a time. I’ve watched, I have, and seen the birds come to the cliff with leaves of some sort in their beaks, and cling to the rock like woodpeckers to a tree while they rubbed the leaves in a circular motion over the surface. Then they would fly off, and come back with more leaves, and carry on with the rubbing process. After three or four repetitions they dropped the leaves and started pecking at the place with their sharp beaks, and – here’s the marvelous part – they would soon open out a round hole in the stone.

....

“The drunk put the jar down on a flat-topped rock and set off in pursuit. ‘Come on, boys – catch him!’ he yelled. They caught the wretched man, dragged him back, and ordered him to drink the contents of the jar. The peon struggled madly, his eyes popping. There was a bit of a scrimmage, and the jar was knocked over and broken, its contents forming a puddle on the top of the rock. Then the peon broke free and took to his heels.
“Everyone laughed. It was a huge joke. But the exercise had made them thirsty and they went over to the sack where the beer-bottles lay.
“About ten minutes later I bent over the rock and casually examined the pool of spilled liquid. It was no longer liquid; the whole patch where it had been, and the rock under it, were as soft as wet cement! It was as though the stone had melted, like wax under the influence of heat.”

from: https://thetemperedmind.com/the-fringes-2/a-plant-that-softens-rock-like-clay/

The site is kinda "strange" but Percy Fawcett was a legit dude. They just made a movie out of his life last year, actually. Was a great movie.

So maybe they saw birds using a naturally occurring plant to dissolve stones to build nests, tried using the plant themselves and it worked, they made awesome structures with it, and 3000 years later people think it must have been aliens.

 

[The ScorpioN]

@Cheese just BTFO this thread along with Hancock, Rogan and Egypt.

 

[syct23]

They weren't. I'm sure they had economic busts and some civilizations probably collapsed trying to build this shit. The point is these structures were main focuses of their entire civilizations, not just some funded construction project

How do you know that..?

Maybe some jerk just promised his people that he would build them a great big wall, one of the most amazing walls ever...

And so he did..

 

[BearGrounds]

The Romans, great at stone work themselves, built on top of these pre-existing structures that were built by superior craftsmen from before their time. That's utterly fascinating to me. I indeed believe it's quite reasonable to propose that a high civilization was wiped out by cataclysm.

Teotihican, which the Aztecs merely stumbled upon and inhabited, but didn't build themselves. Nobody knows who actually built it. It isn't to the craftsmanship of some other ancient sites, such as The Great Pyramid - nevertheless it is marvelous.

People are so quick to write off the idea of an Atlantis existing. Or a civilization of grandeur on par with the myths describing Atlantis. But given all the structures around the world that bear striking resemblances, and are of a quality we'd struggle to reproduce today with modern equipment (nor do we even understand the ways in which they were achieved, or by whom/when), it baffles me that people do so.

 

[BearGrounds]

Everyone interested in this topic should check out this doc when they've got the time. It's excellent.

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

Manpower they probably just had tons of slaves and things like sleds. Not that hard to imagine.

For the way they fit stones together like that, they probably just had something that dissolved stone. Lots of old substances we don't know what they were today like greek fire and roman concrete. Not hard to imagine.

Dude, did you even read my post you are replying to? Because you're saying the exact same thing I said, lol. You didn't quote my whole post for some reason, so lemme remind you what I said in the very post you are quoting right now. I said:

"I think it's pretty clear there was some sort of advanced tech ancient civilizations had that has been lost over the centuries."

That was literally my 2nd sentence in my post, lol. Then you replied with "... they probably just had something that dissolved stone. Lots of old substances we don't know what they were today like greek fire and roman concrete. Not hard to imagine."


Here's my whole post you quoted if you don't remember:

Spoiler

Yeah, seriously. I think it's pretty clear there was some sort of advanced tech ancient civilizations had that has been lost over the centuries. And I don't necessarily mean like the ancient egyptians, but civilizations even way back further than them. Civilizations we don't even know about today. They probably weren't as advanced as we are today (although they COULD have been), but I imagine they probably just thought differently than we do today. Like they approached engineering problems in a different way than we would today. I don't see any other way to explain some of those structures. Man power alone doesn't seem to be enough to move and stack some of that stuff the way they did. Let alone the intricate carvings and air tight way they fit stones together without mortar.

So are you trolling? Or do you just have reading comprehension problems?

But I guess aliens?

Has anybody in this thread suggested "aliens" in a serious manner? Not that I've seen. I KNOW i haven't.. But I've seen you reply with a smartass "But I guess it was aliens, huh" post at least twice in this thread, once to me and once to somebody else. So yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say you're trollin dude, lol.

 

[Soul Crusher]

From a famous British explorer's journal in Peru:



The site is kinda "strange" but Percy Fawcett was a legit dude. They just made a movie out of his life last year, actually. Was a great movie.

So maybe they saw birds using a naturally occurring plant to dissolve stones to build nests, tried using the plant themselves and it worked, they made awesome structures with it, and 3000 years later people think it must have been aliens.

I highly doubt they were using a plant to dissolve granite and managed to create precise polygonal walls with it. That's a lot of plant material for those monster stones.

 

[superpunch]

I highly doubt they were using a plant to dissolve granite and managed to create precise polygonal walls with it. That's a lot of plant material for those monster stones.

Farms or aliens, which do you think?

 

[Soul Crusher]

Farms or aliens, which do you think?

Why not a highly advanced global civilization that was destroyed?

They left strange cuts in rocks all over the planet as well. Watch those videos and you'll see them everywhere.

There would have been evidence of these granite dissolving plant farms and we would have replicated it by now.

 

[BearGrounds]

Has anybody in this thread suggested "aliens" in a serious manner? Not that I've seen. I KNOW i haven't.. But I've seen you reply with a smartass "But I guess it was aliens, huh" post at least twice in this thread, once to me and once to somebody else. So yeah I'm gonna go ahead and say you're trollin dude, lol.

The "aliens" commentary is essentially a strawman used by people that simply want to turn the discussion into a farce, or act superior without actually saying anything of value. It's almost always that type of person that brings it up first.

But, quite honestly, while I don't think it's necessary at all for alien intervention to have taken place in order for these structures to have been built, or for an Atlantis-like civilization to have risen here on earth in our distant past, I do not think the possibility should be completely ruled out - especially considering the history and lore of ancient Sumeria.

 

[Metal_Daze]

Yes the structures. They're destroyed pretty bad and primitive man found them and built on top of them. Where's the rest of these buildings?

The structures were built by humans and destroyed by humans. How about that?

 

[andnowweknow]

Isn't there a lot of debate between egyptologist, engineers, and geologists on how old the Khufu pyramid is? I believe egpytologist say it took like 20 years to build but engineers are saying with what they had it would have had to take far longer which means it is older or there is some kind of undiscovered technique or tool they used.

No actual engineer thinks Khufu was a 20 year project, nobody who didn't have that ridiculous timeline implanted in their brain by an egyptologist prior anyway. A survey was done by the indiana limestone group that amounted to something like the following...at 3 times current full capacity operation with modern equipment the main quarry in Indiana that supplied all the limestone for the Empire state Building would need 20 years to cut and move the amount of stones necessary to the location...which speaks nothing to the idea of actually assembly the incredibly complicated structure, internal and otherwise.

There are clearly tools missing from the record, it wasn't a matter of copper chisels, stone hammers, sand and elbow grease...that is nonsense, but it is understandable that the orthordox story has to go with what tools they find even if it is impossible to work the stones used with such materials.

 

[Soul Crusher]

The structures were built by humans and destroyed by humans. How about that?

I don't know man. Those granite walls would have been tough to destroy even with siege engines and cannons.

The Inca never had siege weapons.

Seriously though, where's the roof? Where's the rest of the walls and all the other buildings?

 

[BearGrounds]

No actual engineer thinks Khufu was a 20 year project, nobody who didn't have that ridiculous timeline implanted in their brain by an egyptologist prior anyway. A survey was done by the indiana limestone group that amounted to something like the following...at 3 times current full capacity operation with modern equipment the main quarry in Indiana that supplied all the limestone for the Empire state Building would need 20 years to cut and move the amount of stones necessary to the location...which speaks nothing to the idea of actually assembly the incredibly complicated structure, internal and otherwise.

There are clearly tools missing from the record, it wasn't a matter of copper chisels, stone hammers, sand and elbow grease...that is nonsense, but it is understandable that the orthordox story has to go with what tools they find even if it is impossible to work the stones used with such materials.

For a guy as educated on the topic as you are, and whose commentary on this topic I respect a great deal, I don't know why you toe this line. It isn't understandable at all to continue pitching an obviously flawed narrative.

If they do not have the tools in the archaeological record to explain the structures completely, and the evidence suggests there should be more than what was found, simply say it's likely, or at least quite possible, that they had a more advanced tool kit than what can be accounted for.

Don't continue on with the nonsense of copper hand tools, water plus sand, and other primitive methods must have gotten it done. It's utterly counterproductive and misleading.

 

[mcveteran81]

It's 9 minute video but it's pretty cool.



I've always enjoyed this topic. Assumedly I suspect that ancient civilizations would of used cymatics, oscillation and frequency to both cut and move the stone(s)

Everything in existence rather it be organic or inorganic has a frequency rating. You get the right frequency and you can essentially do anything from shaping, levitation and destruction.