AMNESTY DON, and the beta cuck's who support him

[Madmick]

Why are we criticizing him at the very moment he's showing a willingness to compromise? This is statesmanship.

Trump is dealmaking right now. I have no problem with it. This is the most Presidential that he has ever appeared.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Why are we criticizing him at the very moment he's showing a willingness to compromise? This is statesmanship.

Trump is dealmaking right now. I have no problem with it. This is the most Presidential that he has ever appeared.

Let me revise a earlier statement. When Madmick, the media, democrats, and Trump agree on something, the American people are about to get fucked.

 

[Madmick]

Let me revise a earlier statement. When Madmick, the media, democrats, and Trump agree on something, the American people are about to get fucked.

But the Democrats don't agree. They don't want a wall. They don't want harsher border security deportation measures. They don't want municipal, county, and state governments to answer to Sessions's DoJ and ICE efforts.

As usual, you think like a child.

 

[VivaRevolution]

But the Democrats don't agree. They don't want a wall. They don't want harsher border security deportation measures. They don't want municipal, county, and state governments to answer to Sessions's DoJ and ICE efforts.

As usual, you think like a child.

I'm going to be honest here, and say I don't really disagree with your post I quoted.

But don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Lol, but that is the key word game that is being played. A secure border doesn't mean fixing the illegal problem.

It is a con.

Even if it is just for the amnesty and citizenship of 2 million illegals, you are getting the illusion of action as a return payment. You are getting a talking point come to life in exchange for 10-16% of the total illegal population being given citizenship.

I don't disagree that trump made a deal. I just think it is insane to claim that it is a good deal for his base, who prize this issue, over all others.

The implementation of a barrier wall in Israel contributed to a significant decrease in Palestinian suicide problems. I am willing to bet a wall is part of the solution, and that the billions in funding is for more than simply a wall but other technology needed for security.

 

[Bargey]

Not breaking up families in exchange for securing the border seems like a win win to me

This seems like the correct analysis. Securing the border is the #1 priority and it’s the immigration lynchpin that he ran on.

And in politics you have to be a dealmaker.

I’m just waiting for a leftist here to actually debate a policy proposal on its merits instead of being obsessed over the next ‘gotcha Trump’ grab. I honestly would think they would like this.

 

[waiguoren]

Why are we criticizing him at the very moment he's showing a willingness to compromise? This is statesmanship.

Trump is dealmaking right now. I have no problem with it. This is the most Presidential that he has ever appeared.

Because in the process of dealmaking, he might violate his primary campaign promises.

 

[VivaRevolution]

The implementation of a barrier wall in Israel contributed to a significant decrease in Palestinian suicide problems. I am willing to bet a wall is part of the solution, and that the billions in funding is for more than simply a wall but other technology needed for security.

Yeah, how is that 2 billion dollar Bush E-fence doing?

 

[TheComebackKid]

This seems like the correct analysis. Securing the border is the #1 priority and it’s the immigration lynchpin that he ran on.

And in politics you have to be a dealmaker.

I’m just waiting for a leftist here to actually debate a policy proposal on its merits instead of being obsessed over the next ‘gotcha Trump’ grab. I honestly would think they would like this.

Well to @VivaRevolution credit his very passionate objection to this policy is the lack of everify which i concur with. However he does admit that the wall would solve portion of the problem. Where I think he's going wrong is the idea sacrificing a significant step forward in favor of holding out for the perfect deal that hasn't even come close to being realized in over 30yrs.

I think most of us agree that the goal is to fully secure the border, solve the illegal immigration problem, and kick out as few deserving and valuable people as possible while also maintaining the integrity of our population and workforce.

If you think about it in order to do that you would need to do or have the following:

Renewed Mission Statement for Immigration Enforcement - Under Obama the culture of immigration enforcement was one of restraint and lack of enforcement. That culture needs to change into one executing their objectives and following through with the law.

Increased Resources for Immigration Officers and Agencies

Crackdown on Sanctuary Cities

Deportation of Criminals and deadbeats/moochers/ect

Physical Barrier

E-Verify

Trump has or is trying to address 5/6 of those things. If the Democrats accepted this deal then we would have gotten 80% to immigration nirvana in one year. All that would be left to do is implement E-Verify. The Dems, leftists, Independents have been clamoring for E-Verify for years and many on the right wouldn't have any kind of problem with it. And given Trump not being bought and paid for by big business and having expressed support for E-verify during the campaign I think Trump would support it if made an issue in 2018 or 2020.

The Dems accepting this deal gives us best shot we have at full immigration reform that addresses everyone's concerns on all sides in the most humane way possible. Rejecting this deal almost guarantees the Dems loosens their grip on hispanics and will remain the minority party through 2020.

 

[The Diplomat]

Sounds like compromise, a middle ground is being reached. I don't really have a problem with it.

 

[Fanu]

 

[ShinkanPo]

Trump’s turn on immigration has some allies bashing ‘Amnesty Don’
By Steve Peoples, The Associated Press • January 28, 2018 7:22
Evan Vucci | AP | BDN
President Donald Trump speaks at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Jan. 25, 2018. Trump’s loyalists are lashing out against his proposal to give path to citizenship for nearly 2 million “Dreamers.”
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NEW YORK — Fearing betrayal on a signature campaign issue, President Donald Trump’s loyalists are lashing out against his proposal to create a path to citizenship for nearly 2 million so-called Dreamer immigrants.




Trump-aligned candidates from Nevada and Virginia rejected the notion outright. A loyal media ally, Breitbart News, attacked him as “Amnesty Don.” And outside groups that cheered the hardline rhetoric that dominated Trump’s campaign warned of fierce backlash against the president’s party in November’s midterm elections.

https://bangordailynews.com/2018/01...igration-has-some-allies-bashing-amnesty-don/


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But, but, but the economy, sure does sound a lot like fuck my wife while I watch right now.

Trump is threatening to sell his supporters out, and it is quiet like a church around here.

If you are still a Trump supporter right now, explain to me how you don't actually believe in nothing?

Explain to me how you can defend Amnesty Don.

Explain your support for the President of the United States, Donald Rino Amnesty.

What is so bad for Don giving some illegals amnesty?

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

To anyone viewing this thread:

@VivaRevolution has wished violence to befall President Trump over this issue.

Without e-verify, fuck this clown. I hope some disillusioned stormfronter takes matters into his own hands.

You all need to understand that his opinion on this matter is warped by his hatred. His hatred has clouded his better judgment, causing him to lash out.

@VivaRevolution, you need to take a break from Sherdog and seek therapy.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Well to @VivaRevolution credit his very passionate objection to this policy is the lack of everify which i concur with. However he does admit that the wall would solve portion of the problem. Where I think he's going wrong is the idea sacrificing a significant step forward in favor of holding out for the perfect deal that hasn't even come close to being realized in over 30yrs.

I think most of us agree that the goal is to fully secure the border, solve the illegal immigration problem, and kick out as few deserving and valuable people as possible while also maintaining the integrity of our population and workforce.

If you think about it in order to do that you would need to do or have the following:

Renewed Mission Statement for Immigration Enforcement - Under Obama the culture of immigration enforcement was one of restraint and lack of enforcement. That culture needs to change into one executing their objectives and following through with the law.

Increased Resources for Immigration Officers and Agencies

Crackdown on Sanctuary Cities

Deportation of Criminals and deadbeats/moochers/ect

Physical Barrier

E-Verify

Trump has or is trying to address 5/6 of those things. If the Democrats accepted this deal then we would have gotten 80% to immigration nirvana in one year. All that would be left to do is implement E-Verify. The Dems, leftists, Independents have been clamoring for E-Verify for years and many on the right wouldn't have any kind of problem with it. And given Trump not being bought and paid for by big business and having expressed support for E-verify during the campaign I think Trump would support it if made an issue in 2018 or 2020.

The Dems accepting this deal gives us best shot we have at full immigration reform that addresses everyone's concerns on all sides in the most humane way possible. Rejecting this deal almost guarantees the Dems loosens their grip on hispanics and will remain the minority party through 2020.

Were you aware that @VivaRevolution wished violence upon President Trump over the lack of e-verify?

Just check my post above for proof.

Always be sure who you are agreeing with, before you start agreeing with them.

 

[Rod1]

Exactly, I mean how can a racist do this.

The same way a racist can own an NBA team or have children with black women.

 

[Rod1]

The funding he is requesting for border security goes beyond just a wall. That is irrelevant to the purpose of your original post though.

His point is the truth.

As long as illegals can find jobs in the States they will keep coming when the labor markets are tight.

So unless Trump crashes the economy or increases legal immigration, illegals will stay and even keep coming.

Without e-verify its just kicking the can down the road again.

 

[Rational Poster]

The implementation of a barrier wall in Israel contributed to a significant decrease in Palestinian suicide problems. I am willing to bet a wall is part of the solution, and that the billions in funding is for more than simply a wall but other technology needed for security.

The Israeli wall is less than 1/4 the size of the US border and it's manned by soldiers.

It is also built in mostly urban areas, not barren desert. Large sections of their wall are also just regular fencing.

 

[SBJJ]

Viva. Chill out man. You are getting way too worked up here.

 

[unimackpass]

The same way a racist can own an NBA team or have children with black women.

So giving people a brake is the same a screwing them?

 

[Rod1]

So giving people a brake is the same a screwing them?

Not really.

Im not saying that Trump is a racist for being anti-illegal immigration, i think his attempts at cutting back legal immigration and some comments of his staff give an indication that they want to cut legal immigration based on the ethnic origin of people, not economics.

Trump is a racist because of

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/02/trump-fbi-files-discrimination-case-235067

And his remarks about how he is very intelligent because he descends from Germans.