Opinion "America First" vs. Neocon MAGA Civil War

[luckyshot]

Some of the America first crowd hold abhorrent positions, but they wouldn't exist on any significant scale if not for the country putting other groups interests before the collective of America. A foreign country and a small group of people owning our politicians and our country is absolutely unacceptable, and this resonates with people

True. Except that "small group of people that owns our politicians and country" isn't just Israel; it's billionaires in general. This is where the America First crowd really whiff. It's not that they're wrong in criticizing Israel, it's that they have tunnel vision on Israel to the exclusion of most of material reality.

 

[Ron Mexico]

All nepo babies are pieces of shit, none of them have shown they want to do anything good for the world or humanity. They're all narcissistic ego driven losers who have never had to work hard in life and think they know reality. They live in the most privileged rich bubble, buying anything they want and acting like others aren't working hard enough for what they have and don't have.

Seems like a fair amount take the easy way out and identify themselves in the loudest way possible
Mom and Dad have taken all the air outta the room and baby needs some attention
Not my babies tho
I’ll be a late-in-life burden on them, just as they were an early-in-life burden on me

 

[luckyshot]

Did you vote for Massie? He, unlike the left, wants to release the files when his side holds the power.

His the bill he co-sponsored with Ro Khana has support of every Democrat in the House...

 

[Ron Mexico]

Oh shit, how did you get dubs?? Please be more careful! I don't want to see you get banned before the Epstein files are released.

Thankfully, sherhub isn’t everyone’s main source of breaking news
He’ll be just fine, dork

 

[The XL]

True. Except that "small group of people that owns our politicians and country" isn't just Israel; it's billionaires in general. This is where the America First crowd really whiff. It's not that they're wrong in criticizing Israel, it's that they have tunnel vision on Israel to the exclusion of most of material reality.

Israel and Jews with loyalty to Israel by far hold the most influence over our government than the next entity or country. But yes, our government is made up of cheap whores who sell us out to a bunch of countries and interests.

 

[fedoriswar37]

I'm on board with whatever side wants to release the Epstein Files.

So nobody lmao good luck finding a party.

 

[luckyshot]

Israel and Jews with loyalty to Israel by far hold the most influence over our government than the next entity or country. But yes, our government is made up of cheap whores who sell us out to a bunch of countries and interests.

I just disagree with the first sentence. I mean, look how the government has bent us all over for the tech bros with insane AI "investments" that will only serve to enrich them while they rip hundreds of thousands of jobs from working Americans.

Supporting a foreign genocide absolutely sucks, but in the long run it's not going to screw the average American as hard as the insane corporate handouts have over the last 45 years.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Thats your definition of a normal candidate, not mine. Regardless, they only needed a couple of people out of 100 to switch sides and were running a last minute unpopular candidate with little time to campaign. She was a far from normal candidate in a far from normal situation.

Lmao oh shut the fuck up.

Oh gee guys , I wonder why she was so unpopular ? Must have been a complete accident. Her short time of 4 years as VP wasn't enough time was it ? Poor Kamala. All that time wasted pretending Biden wasn't a fucking walking ventriloquist dummy instead of i dunno, not being a useless retard.

 

[PEB]

Isn’t that the guy who lied about being poor and shocked his dog for getting off of their dog bed and then lied about that too?

Hasan never said he was poor ever he calls himself a socialist! That being a socialist does not mean being poor.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Lmao oh shut the fuck up.

Oh gee guys , I wonder why she was so unpopular ? Must have been a complete accident. Her short time of 4 years as VP wasn't enough time was it ? Poor Kamala. All that time wasted pretending Biden wasn't a fucking walking ventriloquist dummy instead of i dunno, not being a useless retard.

Man, rude and an incomprehensible gibberish. Put the bottle down.

 

[SpicyJoe]

It seems pretty clear that the race to define the post Trump MAGA coalition is officially in high gear.

On one side we have popular anti-Zionist influencers like Tucker, Fuentes, Candace and politicians like MTG.

On the other we have have most elected GOP politicians, people like Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham, etc. and influential voices within the party such as Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro, etc.

Guys like JD Vance and Josh Hawley seem to be waiting to see which way the winds blow.

What are your thoughts? Which side are you on?

From the perspective of a left populist, it's so surreal to hear people on the "America First" side making the economic critiques we've all been making for years, but the the punchline is, "In conclusion, our politicians support Israel too much."

Like, that may be true, but also, I'm fairly sure that the larger issue is that our politicians support billionaires too much.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Man, rude and an incomprehensible gibberish. Put the bottle down.

he's right. she refused to distance herself from biden's nothingburger policies, catered to centrists and got fucking dumpstered.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

he's right. she refused to distance herself from biden's nothingburger policies, catered to centrists and got fucking dumpstered.

She was a bad candidate thrust into a bad situation and had bad strategy. No shit. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[fedoriswar37]

All nepo babies are pieces of shit, none of them have shown they want to do anything good for the world or humanity. They're all narcissistic ego driven losers who have never had to work hard in life and think they know reality. They live in the most privileged rich bubble, buying anything they want and acting like others aren't working hard enough for what they have and don't have.

Lmao you cant possibly be saying this shit while simultaneously being a front row cheerleader in the mamdani thread

 

[gatchaman]

His the bill he co-sponsored with Ro Khana has support of every Democrat in the House...

Where was the Democrat's Thomas Massie when Biden was POTUS?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

She was a bad candidate thrust into a bad situation and had bad strategy. No shit. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

idk you tell us. you brought up kamala. no one else.

Regardless, they only needed a couple of people out of 100 to switch sides and were running a last minute unpopular candidate with little time to campaign. She was a far from normal candidate in a far from normal situation.

i correctly assumed you meant "centrist" when you said "normal" it seems

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

idk you tell us. you brought up kamala. no one else.

Exactly what I said. It was quite close with a bad presidential candidate in a horrible situation. A normal candidate and a normal situation would have had a very good chance of overcoming that small change in people flipping their vote needed.

I don't know why the other guy came in hot like he shit his diaper.

 

[luckyshot]

Where was the Democrat's Thomas Massie when Biden was POTUS?

Are you asking why there aren't extreme Democrat budget Hawks?

Several high profile Dems spoke against Biden on issues like Gaza.

 

[gatchaman]

Are you asking why there aren't extreme Democrat budget Hawks?

Several high profile Dems spoke against Biden on issues like Gaza.

No, I'm talking about Epstein. Where was the Democrat's Thomas Massie no Epstein when Biden was POTUS?

 

[Red Dragoniop]

he's right. she refused to distance herself from biden's nothingburger policies, catered to centrists and got fucking dumpstered.

similar to how you got dumpstered on the hasan shocking his dog thread.. you sure didn't hang out long lol