All Time GOAT poll

I think it has to be way more than 50%.
The question is, what percentage thinks that detracts from his greatness? What percentage thinks the cheating is part of what makes him great?
 
Bill Belichick/Tom Brady: Spygate/Deflategate

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying.
 
Yellowcrab said:
Sure but you likely chose those names on purpose. So like you said, your point is valid for any fighter that was never caught.

Bob Sapp never failed a drug test and i chose a random example like you <seedat>



He was never proven guilty of anything, that's the only thing that matters. From the fight you're talking about :

Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA, said in a statement: "The independent arbitrator found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case, and while we thought 18 months was the appropriate sanction given the other circumstances of the case, we respect the arbitrator's decision and believe that justice was served. This case is another strong reminder that athletes need to be extremely cautious about the products and supplements they use to ensure they are free of prohibited substances."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jones#Failed_drug_tests

But you choose to stand with facts only when you want. If you stand by facts, Jon Jones is not a cheater. Deal with it.
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Why wasn't he awarded a W against DC then ?
 
The MMA community also seems to think that it is more likely than not that PEDs aren't extremely common in the upper ranks. What the MMA community thinks, probably isn't the most solid foundation for determining much.

Aside from that, GOAT of a sport like this seems a silly title. Divisions, eras, fighting surfaces, available knowledge, training methods, prevalence of coaches using more scientific tape study, weight classes, there's just too many variables. Maybe once the sport has been solidified for a few more decades, someone will come along that is so heads and shoulders above anyone else. Guess we will see.
 
Juice said:
Apology accepted.
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Still butthurt over the fact that I'm getting likes just because I stated a simple fact. If you want to think of Jon as your GOAT, go right ahead. Us living in reality know he isn't. Now go ahead and come back with another lame attempt at sounding superior because we both know you are that much of a little bitch lol. Or ignore me altogether.

Dance my puppet.
 
rstringer said:
Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?
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Common sense isn't too common. He's popped enough times for lifetime ban.
 
L0ki said:
It's like 30% that think he's GOAT.

100% agree he cheated.

No one doubts he hasn't pissed hot.
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This. The 30% that think he's the GOAT simply don't give a fuck about steroid use. I myself dont(not saying he's the goat) I just could not care less.

They get in a cage and try to give the other brain damage for millions of dollars. Of course they will try to get any advantage they can. Some are just better at it than others.

Khabib is the only guy I'd be genuinely surprised to find out cheated

Edit: and Nick Diaz
 
rstringer said:
Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?
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Come on: Everybody knows that Jones, in modern era, is the GOAT. I am sorry but if you cant see that you either dont want to or dont understand MMA. Almost every pro fighter says that Jones is the modern eras GOAT. And dont you think that they know that better than the rest of us? I know.
 
IloveTHIS said:
This. The 30% that think he's the GOAT simply don't give a fuck about steroid use. I myself dont(not saying he's the goat) I just could not care less.
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I really do care about doping, hence why i'm constantly defending USADA.

So as a rational person, i would never compare any fighter that has never or almost never fought under USADA to Jon Jones, that's the first thing. I bet you're one of those guys who like Fedor, yet you don't care he fought in a complete circus show without any drug testing.

Also, he was never proven guilty of anything. So etiher you compare Jon Jones to fighters under USADA and you may have a decent point or anything else is completely irrelevant and you're just another biased hater.
 
VinceArch said:
Still butthurt over the fact that I'm getting likes just because I stated a simple fact. If you want to think of Jon as your GOAT, go right ahead. Us living in reality know he isn't. Now go ahead and come back with another lame attempt at sounding superior because we both know you are that much of a little bitch lol. Or ignore me altogether.

Dance my puppet.
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OH look you big mad. I really touched a nerve in that last post didn't I?

You haven't stated a single fact yet.

Who is US living in reality? Again you clown, you can't speak for everyone.

You want everyone to side with you so bad because it keeps you up at night knowing a lot of people know Jones is the GOAT. That's the reality that you hate to admit.

And no I'm not going to ignore you. I know that's what you are praying for me to do since I keep laying the smack down embarrassing a Jones hating clown like you.

I guess you think Jones is the only fighter that has taken PED's right? Do you think all the other fighters are clean just because they didn't get caught?

You rather whine about Jones taking PED's because you can't stand the fact Jones is just that good.

You are the type of biased hater that would give all the fighters in pride a pass ( the org that never tested for PED's ) but hate on Jones for testing under USADA.

It sucks being a Jones hating crybaby bitch don't it?
 
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Yellowcrab said:
I really do care about doping, hence why i'm constantly defending USADA.

So as a rational person, i would never compare any fighter that has never or almost never fought under USADA to Jon Jones, that's the first thing. I bet you're one of those guys who like Fedor, yet you don't care he fought in a complete circus show without any drug testing.

Also, he was never proven guilty of anything. So etiher you compare Jon Jones to fighters under USADA and you may have a decent point or anything else is completely irrelevant and you're just another biased hater.
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The fuck are you talking about? Yes Fedor fought in an organization where anyone could take whatever they want to fight at their absolute best. That's called an even playing field. Drug testing just makes it so the most rich athletes with the best chemists on payroll keep the advantage
 
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