All Time GOAT poll

humdizzle said:
fedor fought better guys era vs era. dominant for a longer time.

stipe has never subbed anyone. lost in his prime to struve and jds. then of course DC and Francis

as for UFC HW goat then yes.
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Stipe wasn't in his prime during either of those fights. Young doesn't necessarily mean prime
 
Lax617 said:
I'm a Stipe fan and Jones fan for sure, but feel like Jones is playing up Stipe's "HW GOAT" status in the headlines to make it more impressive if he wins. Just my shitty take. I'm looking forward to their fight.
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thats absolutely what they're doing

just wait until the promos get released where it shows stipe dominating francis and getting his hand raised. like the second fight never happened.
 
Hazuki Ryo said:
Did he beat the best version of JDS ? Highly questionable. The best version of Werdum ? Maybe not. The best version of Cormier ? Naaah.

But at the same time did Ngannou KO prime Stipe? Did Werdum submit sea level Cain ?

How do you guys judge the context of HW wins and losses ? It's to me the hardest division to analyze..

I couldn't make a ranking between Stipe, Ngannou, Cormier, JDS, Cain, Werdum.
It's like rock paper scissors shit
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You should question everything. Nothing is certain in any sport or fight and the GOAT is as subjective as it gets.

But stipe does have a good claim to that title regardless of what anybody’s opinion is, the career speaks for itself. He did what nobody else had ever done. His win column is full of legendary names. He proved himself in a trilogy over an all time great.

Stipe is the truth and is the tip of the spear when you talk about heavyweight MMA in terms of talent, skill and accomplishments. Very few names belong in the same category.
 
IMO the HW division is for entertainment, not for deep analysis.

One dude wants to be a firefighter, another a boxer or a FIFA player. It doesn't seem like there's the same level of dedication to the sport like in the other divisions.
 
Chagaev said:
IMO the HW division is for entertainment, not for deep analysis.

One dude wants to be a firefighter, another a boxer or a FIFA player. It doesn't seem like there's the same level of dedication to the sport like in the other divisions.
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You’re crazy if you don’t think stipe is as dedicated as other champions. Having a part time job doesn’t disqualify someone from being as dedicated as others. He was still a full time fighter his entire career
 
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if Werdum rematched Stipe and was able to get him down.
 
Hazuki Ryo said:
Did he beat the best version of JDS ? Highly questionable. The best version of Werdum ? Maybe not. The best version of Cormier ? Naaah.

But at the same time did Ngannou KO prime Stipe? Did Werdum submit sea level Cain ?

How do you guys judge the context of HW wins and losses ? It's to me the hardest division to analyze..

I couldn't make a ranking between Stipe, Ngannou, Cormier, JDS, Cain, Werdum.
It's like rock paper scissors shit
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This is typical Sherdog Sh!t. Did he beat the best JDS? Who fucking knows. Did he beat the best Werdum? Well Werdum was UFC champion so of course not. Prime Werdum ended literally 1 second before Stipe KO'd him.

Seriously WTF!!! Here is where you can stop discrediting wins in a fighters resume by wondering if they were still good when he beat them. All of those you listed were UFC HW champion. Cormier had 1 defense. JDS had 1 defense. Cain had 2 defenses. Frank had 1 defense. JDS lost to Cain who lost to Werdum who lost to Stipe who lost to DC who lost to Stipe who lost to Frank.

That's 5 defenses for 4 of the last 5 guys that held the UFC HW title. Stipe has 4 defenses and held the title twice. He beat 3 of those 4 but never faced Cain. Every fighter defending the belt is facing a guy who is at the top of their game. Maybe not their 100% Supreme version of themselves but nobody beats that version as being your supreme self you wouldn't lose.

Stipe is better than all of the previous UFC HW champions.
 
Mr Wings said:
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if Werdum rematched Stipe and was able to get him down.
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Probably not so good man. Werdum was almost 39 in their first fight and 1 1/2 years later he was underperforming and cracking at the seams. Not long after that USADA came knocking
 
Stipe isn't HW GOAT

Stipe isn't UFC HW GOAT.



So no, you're right to call out that narrative.
 
Fedor as HW GOAT and Stipe as UFC HW GOAT seem like the obvious choices.
 
Stipe doesn't have many quality wins, so it's hard for me to call him the greatest anything. Yes, he defended the belt, but it's not like he defended against young killers. He beat some past their prime fighters and a green Ngannou to defend the belt. If he beat fighters like Cyril Gane, Curtis Blaydes, Tom Aspinall or any of these Russian fighters coming up then he would have a good case. He was just fortunate to have the belt at the time that he had it. Stipe would get eaten alive in today's heavyweight division. He's a good boxer and he's tough, but he is not a complete MMA fighter. Having 0 submission victories supports that.
 
Stipe is the UFC HW GOAT. He is not the MMA HW GOAT. It's really that simple.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Every fighter defending the belt is facing a guy who is at the top of their game.
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You know that's not true. Context is everything in a career. That's why casuals think BJ Penn is shit looking at his record. They dont pay attention to the context of his wins and losses.

I'm not saying Stipe doesn't have a good resume.
 
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Hazuki Ryo said:
You know that's not true. Context is everything in a career. That's why casuals think BJ Penn is shit looking at his record. They dont pay attention to the context of his wins and losses.
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Context of BJ's losses were he was a shot fighter. When he fought GSP he was at the top of his game. When he fought for the LW title vs Sherk he was at the top. Pretty much every fighter getting a title shot with rare exceptions (Conor cough, cough) is pretty much at the top of their game.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Context of BJ's losses were he was a shot fighter. When he fought GSP he was at the top of his game. When he fought for the LW title vs Sherk he was at the top. Pretty much every fighter getting a title shot with rare exceptions (Conor cough, cough) is pretty much at the top of their game.
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Bisping, Hendo, Masvidal, Ray Borg.. not all title shots are earned. Especially in the HW division. Stipe was only on a 2 fights win streak before challenging Werdum for the title.

JDS had only one win in his pocket when he got his rematch against Stipe. He had previously been knocked out by Overeem.
 
Final Say said:
Did you know Garbrandt started his career at the same gym Stipe has been at his entire career? A relatively small operation in Ohio fostered them both.
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No I did not, thanks for the random fact. These kinda things are always interesting.
 
Tachy said:
With GSP retired now, who do you think is the all time greatest at this time?





Anderson Silva







If your selection for the greatest fighter of all time is not in the poll, feel free to vote for other explain why.
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Why did you merge my thread? It was about Jon Jones not "Who is the GoaT?" I cant even see the video or post I made merged (cant see the video)

I think it's sad that this is even a debate... And I'm a former Jon Jones Hater ! Don't believe me check my history of posts about him. Anyone who doubts Jon Jones is now officially the GoaT, due to his resume, due to his longevity, even though he had to go through multiple suspensions which is his fault but it should have hindered his march to GoaTness, but it didn't. He beat ALL the good guys. Go look at his fight history on Wikipedia, or watch this video if you need a reminder of who this guy is.

 
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