All Time GOAT poll

[Royce's Gi]

Here is the real poll.

Okami of course

He was huge!

 

[pankrat]

Okami of course

He was huge!

Excuse me but Yushin Okami was NEVER a huge MW.

He fought half of his career at WW and weighted around 195lbs in fight night as a MW - including his tittle fight - and lighter early in his career.

He weighted in at 200lbs with fat and clothes on for a short notice fight at 205 vs OSP.

A below average MW by today standards. Closer to WW avg actually. Had a huge head though.

 

[pankrat]

As has been explained to you prior.

Pay special attention to the 2008/9 time frame which is when the UFC started promoting Anderson heavily to get his PPV buys up.


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Look I don't care if anyone believes Anderson was P4P best during his Prime Run as he certainly was a legit choice as was GSP as was Aldo and then later Jones during that run.

But one thing for context with regards to P4P rankings is that whoever rules that at any point in time is going to be heavily influenced, if not down right dictated, by who the UFC wants to rule it.

It was a massive frustration for the UFC that Anderson was such a great fighter and yet relatively few people would buy his PPV's. GSP was averaging 800k and often getting over 1MM while Anderson was averaging 350k.

What you see is that when the UFC starting pushing Anderson really hard as the P4P best fighter in the world (which Dana was saying loudly in every interview back then0 his PPV rate doubled. You can see how your list of Anderson on top of P4P correlates perfectly with that bump.


10/14/06 UFC 64 Franklin v. Silva 300,000
02/03/07 UFC 67 Silva v. Lutter 400,000
10/20/07 UFC 77 Franklin v. Silva II 325,000
03/01/08 UFC 82 Silva v. Henderson 325,000
10/25/08 UFC 90 Silva v. Cote 300,000
04/18/09 UFC 97 Silva v. Leites 650,000
04/10/2010 UFC 112 Silva vs. Maia 500,000
08/07/2010 UFC 117 Silva vs. Sonnen 600,000
02/05/2011 UFC 126 Silva vs. Belfort 725,000
08/27/2011 UFC 134 Silva vs. Okami 335,000
07/07/2012 UFC 148 Silva vs. Sonnen II 925,000
10/13/2012 UFC 153 Silva vs. Bonnar 410,000
07/06/2013 UFC 162 Silva vs Weidman 550,000
12/28/2013 UFC 168 Weidman vs SilvaII 1,025,000

The most dishonest otu of all the pathetic GSP fanboys in these boards going at it again?

The reason why Silva was widely credited as #1 p4p fighter in the planet during GSP championship years is that, on one hand, GSP got finished by Serra in 2007, and since then, Silva was finishing his tittle challenger, unlike GSP.

This is the reason why he was promoted as #1 p4p. Same criteria for Jones an Khabib.

Volk, for example, doesnt have great PPV numbers. Do they promote him as #1 p4p because of that? Nope.
Same with Usman, who doesnt have great PPV numbers. H eonly started to get the credit when he started to finish his tittle challengers.

Some GSP fanboys are so pathetic, have so little respect for themselves, that make up sick BS revisionism to change this. Deal with it, you dishonest lil bitch:

Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[pankrat]

And I already know what your reply will be. "Ignore what Anderson said about himself, as you pankrat know better what Anderson did then he does himself'.

It is that you expect to get taken seriously saying that, that is delusional.

Anderson actually said that took dick pills not PEDs.
So why are you bringing an alleged Silva quote to back up your argument? Why are you su fucking pathetic dude?

 

[pankrat]

We talked about this before.

You are the only guy I know on this forum who is ignorant to the fact the UFC manipulates and uses rankings to drive PPV.

When I brought that up prior you argued against it like you had never heard that before and could not believe that. That is on you do. It is not controversial to understand that at all.

Anderson was widely credited as #1 p4p because of his superiority over his competition, which refflected on finishes in title fights.

Same criteria why Jones, Khabib and now Usman got the same credit in their time.

Nobody sais Usman is getting such credit becase he doesnt sell PPVs so UFC manipulates pundits in ordet to get an economic benefit

You literally only see GSP fanboys pushing that argument to discredit Silva. Period.
There is a reason why the legion of GSP fanboys are knows as the most pathetic and dishonest fan base in all combat sports. And here you are, enbodying it.

 

[pankrat]

This is what Anderson said dude!

You give Sonnen credit for admitting it but then see Anderson admitting it and you go into spin mode.

Silva alleged he only took dick pills, no PEDs
https://www.mmamania.com/2015/8/12/...anderson-silvas-ufc-183-drug-test-results-mma

So if you are so pathetic to bring Silva's quotes, there you go. Not even trying you could get more pathetic

 

[pankrat]

Pankrat, call Anderson and tell him he does not know what he is talking about. You know better and can tell him what he does not understand about himself as you are taking this very weird line that Anderson is wrong about himself and we are to instead trust you.

Dude, your arguments are kindergarten. A sick, autist 12 years old.

Not my issue, but check the facts:

- Silva never popped in the long 7 years he reigned as a champ.

- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

Deal with it, kid-o

 

[kevinramsdell]

-There's only 1 Undefeated GOAT who has become P4P No.1

-Jones lost to USADA and got DQed even if you don't think he didn't lose to Gustaffson 1, Santos and Reyes.

Jones = 26-1+USADA
Khabib= 29-0


Because UFC robbed his title shot for 2 years that's explained many times plus that criteria includes close fights could go either way, robbery decisions and even draws.

For example: Volk should've lost the Holloway 2 now that counts as a title defense for him, its a nonsense criteria if you take it out of context.

you make zero sense. Khabib kept getting set back because of him pulling from the Tony fight twice plus not being a big name draw. The Conor fight set him up with a bigger name.

Also, Volk won the 2nd fight. Not sure what you are seeing that says he lost, but he won. I understand that as someone who is a big Holloway fan that still hurts you, but it’s how it goes.

 

[pankrat]

Silva himself says 'don't pay attention to when a person pops because any use means they have been using a long time'...

You read Silva's admission here and shout 'the only thing that matters is when he popped.'

Clown shoes.

Didn't Silva say he never took PEDs? Just dick pills?

What are you arguing then, you pathological clown?

 

[storeybuckle]

Just imagine if Mighty Mouse weighed 155 or 170 pounds

He would have to face a row of killers. The Ray Borgs of the LW and WW divisions would not have gotten a title shot for MM to add to his title defence count

 

[snackgod]

I'm aware that, in the end of the day, @TrueFightFan @snackgod both voted for Jones

the goat will always be fedor. iwhen jon was fighting anthony smith or dom reyes fedor was fighting cro cop big nog coleman

 

[Dbreiden83080]

So hard yet Silva never popped during the long 7 years he reigned as a champ.

Sonnen is actually very honest about his use and says that started in 2008. His debut in UFC was in 2005. You GSP fanboys dont get tired of spreading lies and pushing bs revisionism? It's fucking sick

I have Silva on the mount rushmore. And Jones..

 

[pankrat]

Silva was busted for PED's.

It does not matter that most busted for PEDS say it was something else you nitwit. What matters is what you are busted for. And the what Silva himself admitted which if you get busted for using PEDs, it is NEVER just a one time or new thing. He has been using a long time.

That is from Silva's own mouth.

I dont trus Anderson's or anybody's word. You pretend to trus Silva's word, but only whe it sound wll to you. Because you are that kind of pathetic scumbag, un tremendo de pirolo, un julay de libro. Silva never admitted PEDs, if you want to go that route, you lil bith.

I care about facts:

- Silva never popped during the long 7 years he was champ. During that time several of his opponents busted though btw, as Marquardt. Silva only popped after a career-ending injury in his 40s. These are the facts you boxo.

- More facts:
- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459


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[pankrat]

I have Silva on the mount rushmore. And Jones..

It's cool. I also have GSP up there. Even #1 depending on the criteria.

But let's stop the revisionism. This was the general consensus for long time in real time:

I care about facts:

- Silva never popped during the long 7 years he was champ. During that time several of his opponents busted though btw, as Marquardt. Silva only popped after a career-ending injury in his 40s. These are the facts you boxo.

- More facts:
- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[pankrat]

So when it comes to Anderson's life and steroid use you don't trust him to tell us about it. You know better and would tell Anderson that to his face.

FLOL, so classic sherdog.

A fighter says he he trained at ATT yesterday. You tell him he did not. You don't believe him and know better.

I am going to save this reply by you and copy/paste it every time you go to crazy town.

WTF at this point I realzie you must be genuinely sick. Like no trolling, serious health issue.

Come back as much as you want weirdo, Im glad to slap sick fanboys right and left for everybody to see so you are welcome psycho

 

[pankrat]

Each and every time this topic comes up we eventually get to the point where you say 'I don't GAF what Anderson Silva has to say with regards to Anderson Silva issues. I am a shertard and only what I have to say about Anderson Silva issues matter"

It is one of the strangest most disconnected paths to take as a fan of his, to say he does know what he is talking about, when it comes to himself and you know better.

But you be you boo. Don't ever change. Someone must like your level of crazy.

Im not reading any further babbling from a legitimate sick weirdo.

Just get the facts right:

- Silva never popped during the long 7 years he was champ. During that time several of his opponents busted though btw, as Marquardt. Silva only popped after a career-ending injury in his 40s. These are the facts you boxo.

- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459


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[maddog0798]

without a doubt anderson silva

 

[Mike]

Lmao at all the polls you guys cherry pick from casual sites filled with mma newbs. Yet you don't want to accept the poll from the mma specific forum you post in every day, filled with people that have watched for decades.

 

[Mike]

Im not reading any further babbling from a legitimate sick weirdo.

Just get the facts right:

- Silva never popped during the long 7 years he was champ. During that time several of his opponents busted though btw, as Marquardt. Silva only popped after a career-ending injury in his 40s. These are the facts you boxo.

- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459


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You mean he never popped before usada, and popped immediately the first time he had a random usada test? Shocking, that must mean he was clean all the way until that failed test.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

This thread is s saltmine for some.