All Time GOAT poll

[rvd610]

Because moving up isn't that big of a deal. Especially when you cut the line. BJ PENN has best exactly 1 welterweight in a fight. Yet he was the champion. Context is relevant with what you watch someone do.

 

[KOPPE]

LHW Jones never moved up, people think he is the GOAT.

FW Aldo even moved down and got dominated by BW Petr Yan there as well after getting dominated by Volkanovski, Holloway and Conor, people think he is the GOAT.

There is a reason he created 165 lbs division for Eagle FC, between 155 lbs and 170 lbs the difference is getting bigger than the difference between 145 lbs and 155 lbs.

Jones went through wars. Had razor thin fights and arguably lost some of them.
Khabib had easy time snacking on FW leftover strikers and was never in any danger aside from being hospitalised multiple time for trying to make LW

 

[accolyte1022]

Since when is moving up a necessary condition for goat ?

Because @Istryker said so.

 

[Yellowcrab]

bullshit, Jones is in the process of moving up as we speak.

Bad argument because he already had his GOAT status before even trying moving up.

 

[Istryker]

Because @Istryker said so.

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[Pious Augustus]

GSP beat the champion after a lengthy lay-off. That solidified him as an indisputable all time great.

So you're purposely limit yourself to just "He beat a champion" choosing to ignore all the circumstances surrounding Bisping becoming "Champion" so you could convince yourself that beating Bisping makes you goat

 

[TheMaster]

All the all time greats in MMA won belts in multiple weight classes except for Habib (excluding HW’s and aldo lol)


Why does he get a pass for not moving up when we seen his literal contemporaries do it? (Mcgregor,Izzy).

He's not a GOAT is the answer
And yes, he should've moved up and challenge at 170

BJ Penn will always be >> Khabib beacue of being a 155 and 170 Ibs champion

Same with GSP being a 170 and 185Ibs champ

 

[Pious Augustus]

What does moving up have to do with being a goat?

Khabib quit in his prime and beat zero wrestlers, that's why he's not a goat.

it's not Khabib's fault that none of those imaginary wrestlers who must not be (GaethjeD1 all American, Trujillo 4 times all American, Tibau who has the best wrestling stats in LW history, Shalorus Olympic wrestler) made it to the top

 

[Pious Augustus]

He's not a GOAT is the answer
And yes, he should've moved up and challenge at 170

BJ Penn will always be >> Khabib beacue of being a 155 and 170 Ibs champion

Same with GSP being a 170 and 185Ibs champ

Maybe he will come back one day when a mediocre fighter gets a toy belt at WW by a fluky punch to magically become GOAT

 

[Tevfik1907]

bullshit, Jones is in the process of moving up as we speak.

So Jones can't be the GOAT until he wins the HW title?

He's not a GOAT is the answer
And yes, he should've moved up and challenge at 170

BJ Penn will always be >> Khabib beacue of being a 155 and 170 Ibs champion

Same with GSP being a 170 and 185Ibs champ

WW winner BJ Penn lost to BW Frankie Edgar 3 times as well.

You think winning 170 Welterweight lbs for one time negates losing to Bantamweight fighter Frankie Edgar 3 times?

His fight IQ and his ability to deal with the same opponent in his second and third fights were very low as he never produced an answer for Bantamweight Frankie Edgar to win even only for 1 time.

BJ Penn couldn't even be the P4P No.1 despite winning Welterweight title, Khabib become the P4P No.1 while not even GSP could as well.

Khabib is basically the only P4P No.1 undefeated champ, so you can't find another guy like that.

Jones went through wars. Had razor thin fights and arguably lost some of them.
Khabib had easy time snacking on FW leftover strikers and was never in any danger aside from being hospitalised multiple time for trying to make LW

Jones's size and reach advantage at 205 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Khabib's non-existent size and reach advantage at 155.

You can't make up the numbers, it's there. Jones basically had reach and size advantage in every single fight he fought at 205, Khabib never had, no size and no reach advantage at 155.

 

[Sweater of AV]

Simple. He's not.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Jones never moved up, and don't tell me beating Bisping makes anybody goat, brainwashed low IQ MMA fans look at trophy toys belts, not the opponent you beat for them thus GSP beating Bisping was a GOAT making accomplishment and KG beating Bisping in Much better fashion just a few days later means nothing because there was no toy belt on the line, both KG and GSP are former WW fighters btw

It's still an accomplishment no matter how you spin it. Very few champs are double champs. Bisping beat the legit champ to win the belt. Regardless of how you feel about Bisping he was the legit defending champion and wasn't the champion because of circumstances. If it's so easy to win 2 belts, there would be more 2 division champs. Yet the list is very short and lots of fighters have tried for 2 division belts.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Because that's not a requirement. Next question

 

[Young Calf Kick]

bullshit, Jones is in the process of moving up as we speak.

He’s been “in the process of moving up” for nine fucking years.

 

[TheMaster]

Maybe he will come back one day when a mediocre fighter gets a toy belt at WW by a fluky punch to magically become GOAT

GSP was same size as Habib and champ at 170
Habib almost comatose died trying to cut to 155 Ibs
Big difference

 

[Kryptt]

Jus "One of"

And he is...

 

[aali14]

I'm okay with him not moving up, but I do have a problem that he's only faced 4 guys at the elite level, all of them were strikers.

How can you call someone the GOAT when he hasn't proven himself against any elite MMA wrestler or elite submission artist in a sport called MIXED martial arts?

The only unfavorable style matchup he's ever had was Tibau and people thought he lost that fight.

Also, Khabib's style would not bode against bigger guys, without his strength advantage he's just not nearly as dangerous.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

It's still an accomplishment no matter how you spin it. Very few champs are double champs. Bisping beat the legit champ to win the belt. Regardless of how you feel about Bisping he was the legit defending champion and wasn't the champion because of circumstances. If it's so easy to win 2 belts, there would be more 2 division champs. Yet the list is very short and lots of fighters have tried for 2 division belts.

100%. I get a kick out of people who act like GSP coming off a 4 year lay off, moving up and beating a guy who used to be a fighter at LHW and who took out a legit champ like Rockhold on 2 weeks notice is somehow a pussy. It's like people don't realize that wasn't a cakewalk for GSP.

On flipside Khabib was trying to get the GSP superfight he wasn't willing to come to 170lbs at all and that was for a retired almost 40 year old GSP and Khabib was in his prime.

 

[STAY GOLD]

Right, forgot Anderson fought Irvin, Griffin and DC at 205.

 

[Quietus]

Moving up to get a title shot doesn't mean anything, it means someone was popular and got gifted an opportunistic title shot against a favorable opponent, getting to skip the queue because of $$. Conor was never a double champ, you have to actually beat people in a division and defend a belt to be a legit champ. He never even defended the FW belt or gave Aldo his deserved rematch, so it's hard to even say he was a FW champ.

With that said, Khabib's record also isn't GOAT level, 20 of the fights were amateurs/cans, and his final UFC run was almost all one dimensional strikers that he could ragdoll on the ground, he never tested himself in grappling again after getting a robbery decision over Tibau. Khabib cherrypicked the same style of opponent that he had a formula to beat, that's not GOAT behavior. A real GOAT would beat a wide variety of opponents, not just one style. Tyron Woodley's title run was more impressive than Khabib's.