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All Time GOAT poll

I mean, discussing why he isn't the GOAT is still putting him in the discussion. If he wasn't in the discussion, no one would be talking about it, one way or the other. One could say that everyone is talking about him bc he has been talking about himself, but this has been going on for years and years now without him bringing it up. Sorry TS, but you're just perpetuating what you're trying to kill.
 
Unfinished said:
Literally everyone ranks him way higher than Khabib who did nothing but dove for the legs and ran away from the sport in his prime.
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Oh wow, you're a troll that's not totally boring and tedious.

Good one. I'm emotional as fuck reading your post.
 
BigTruck said:
While I don't think he's the goat by any means he did accomplish great things in the sport and had a fighters heart. I personally dislike bj as a person he's arrogant and self-centered but again his early career he was very hard to beat. He declined as all do when they get older. Looks at the ending record doesn't tell the story of a career. Look at Anderson Silva.
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That av is actually really distracting..
 
HitMachine said:
I see a lot of threads lately talking about BJ Penn and GOAT in the same sentence.

Let's be clear, he's not in GOAT discussion, his record of 16-14 is embarrassing.. and 16-15 if we count the KO by a drunk.

Now, before you respond to say I wasn't around to witness him in his prime.. I in fact did witness his prime. I saw him lose to GSP twice and make up excuses.. saw him lose to Matt Hughes in the rematch..

And of course the one that sticks out the most, was seeing him outclassed three times (twice in his prime) to Frankie Edgar. Go watch those fights, they were very one sided and BJ Penn had nothing to offer. Even his corner had no advice for him in between rounds as they were shocked that BJ Penn was an inferior fighter.

There is no way BJ Penn should be in the GOAT discussion. Not 10 years ago.. and not today.
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You might not realize but by postiy what you're saying people know you're BSing.

Just get it through your head that Khabib isn't LW goat.

GSP legit cheated to beat BJ in the first fight.
BJ beat Frankie in the first fight.
THERE'S NO SHAME WHATSOEVER IN LOSING TO MATT FUCKING HUGHES. AND HE'S 2-1 AGAINST HUGHES.
 
It’s ridiculous to try to compare careers of fighters that had such different paths, you’re bound to become emotionally incapable and shit on one or both for career deficiencies, in reality both men lack certain elements of greatness. Neither one has any business being in any GOAT discussions, besides their exploits at the 155 lb weight class period.
 
Bend NvR Break said:
You mean vice versa.
People that ran Khabib above him think that if Khabib would've fought until he's 40 he'd be 50-0.
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No, we don't.

You can cut off BJ's career at the age Khabib retired. IIRC it was 16-7 with three losses at a common weight (LW, IIRC his LW record was 8-3), and similar levels of dominance peak-to-peak. FFS, Khabib barely lost a *round*, let alone multiple fights. Top wins are at worst...comparable.

Holding BJ over Khabib as a martial artist is basically "glory days syndrome" and boomerism to the nth degree.

Khabib doesn't have a case for overall GOAT because his tenure was too short and volume of accomplishment too small, but he is 100 percent above BJ within LW with zero debate among people that are objective.
 
BFoe said:
Obviously if you’re not even the GOAT of your division, you can’t be in the overall GOAT discussion.
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BJ fought half his career in four other weight classes and did things like choke out the future ufc ww champ and beat Renzo at LHW

I still don’t think he’s goat but it’s complicated because he did goat level things that Khabib & others didn’t do
 
BJ is 11-4-1 at LW with 4 UFC LW championships so he is absolutely in the LW GOAT conversation.

BJ is 1-5-1 at WW and 0-4 at FW. He just wasn't good at those weight classes but that has nothing to do with his LW record.
 
I am not the biggest BJ fan but he has almost twenty years in the game while being in the big leagues even when he was hiatus from the UFC. Khabib has 8 years in the UFC with a 2 year break in the middle due to injuries. He is very dominant but he left the game early. I do understand why he left so Islam can come up.

When BJ ran out of contenders to fight; he moved up to challenge for the WW title. I do admit BJ did tarnish his legacy a bit by not taking the game serious and perhaps staying around a little too long. He attempted to reach the next level while Khabib said I can't fight Usman he is my brother.
 
if he would have retired after he koed hughes in their trilogy fight he would be considered a GOAT. But sadly , fighting on and taking in another 8 losses in a row after he was past his best cant help but bring his legacy down.

its similar to roy jones jr. if he had retired after he beat tarver by unanimous decision, he would be considered top 3 all time. but he fought on, was koed 10 times and is now fringe top 20 alltime. he tarnished his legacy.

those downward spirals leave a lasting impression.

i love penn, so im no hater

penns career highlights:

First fighter to win a ufc title in 2 different divisions (welterweight and lightweight)
tied for the record for most lightweight title defenses.

*note: before his 8 fight slide when he was well past his prime, his only losses were to former ufc champions:
GSP *2
Hughes
jens pulver
edgar*2
machida

*note: how would kabib have faired if he faced prime GSP twice at 170lbs, prime Hughes 3 times at 170lbs, and 205 machida?
that easily could have conceivably been 6 losses. Even the fiesty ferret edgar would have given kabib fits.
 
Drugstore Cowboy said:
The issue for most people trying to understand BJ is that they don't realize BJ Penn used skills and combination of skills modern fighters are yet to discover.

He was several decades ahead of sport in terms of knowledge of passing, reversing, takedown defense, etc, etc

His legacy are three things -
1 universal skills everyone can learn from
2 big career wins and titles (uncompromising double champion with most LW defenses over other all-time greats)
3 and finally, having to work around physical deficiencies in most fights (similar to DJ, but even worse)

In my eyes, he is one of the greatest I've ever seen.
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Was it those skills and combination of skills that helped him lose to Frankie fucking Edgar multiple times, just stop.
 
HitMachine said:
I see a lot of threads lately talking about BJ Penn and GOAT in the same sentence.

Let's be clear, he's not in GOAT discussion, his record of 16-14 is embarrassing.. and 16-15 if we count the KO by a drunk.

Now, before you respond to say I wasn't around to witness him in his prime.. I in fact did witness his prime. I saw him lose to GSP twice and make up excuses.. saw him lose to Matt Hughes in the rematch..

And of course the one that sticks out the most, was seeing him outclassed three times (twice in his prime) to Frankie Edgar. Go watch those fights, they were very one sided and BJ Penn had nothing to offer. Even his corner had no advice for him in between rounds as they were shocked that BJ Penn was an inferior fighter.

There is no way BJ Penn should be in the GOAT discussion. Not 10 years ago.. and not today.
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guys just like to shit on Khabib for his beliefs so they made BJ Penn greater than him. But but he fought at weltweight and lose most of those matches,but but Machida heavyweight that too lost. {<BJPeen}
Lost to GSP
{<BJPeen}
Lost to Frankie Edgar 3 times
{<BJPeen}
 
HitMachine said:
No robbery.. judges got it right. UD.. one judge even gave Edgar all 5 rounds.. Edgar was too quick for BJ.
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They got it wrong. I had it Penn 4-1. Outlanded Frankie and defended twelve of thirteen takedown attempts. He should have been on to Maynard next. Blatant robbery.
 
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HitMachine said:
I see a lot of threads lately talking about BJ Penn and GOAT in the same sentence.

Let's be clear, he's not in GOAT discussion, his record of 16-14 is embarrassing.. and 16-15 if we count the KO by a drunk.

Now, before you respond to say I wasn't around to witness him in his prime.. I in fact did witness his prime. I saw him lose to GSP twice and make up excuses.. saw him lose to Matt Hughes in the rematch..

And of course the one that sticks out the most, was seeing him outclassed three times (twice in his prime) to Frankie Edgar. Go watch those fights, they were very one sided and BJ Penn had nothing to offer. Even his corner had no advice for him in between rounds as they were shocked that BJ Penn was an inferior fighter.

There is no way BJ Penn should be in the GOAT discussion. Not 10 years ago.. and not today.
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those first two with frankie were not one sided. the second one was somewhat one sided but most people thought that BJ won the first one. frankie won via appearing to be more active to the judges and getting takedowns, which bj just got right back up from after receiving zero damage.
 
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