All Time GOAT poll

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Cejudo has what? 2 title defenses, 2 or 3 big wins, and no sustained run of dominance. Not GOAT material.

Eh Cejudo, beat the GOAT of flyweight, and beat 2 GOATs contenders of Bantamweight. 2 Division champ with 3 wins against legendary fighters (DJ, Cruz, and Dillashaw).

 

[OneOfOne]

Some fighters can have relatively short primes though. If you are just looking at a fighter at their peak, you can open the discussion to a lot of people.

Longer primes should earn more GOAT points than shorter primes. Also its hard to assess just how good a fighter is over just a handful of quality fights/performances. When guys get up to 10-15 quality fights/performance against a wide array of opponents then we know for sure just how good they are and what potential weaknesses they have.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

Well, they might fall off the list if they start racking up losses to mediocre fighters again and again.

So they aren't your top 5 all timers then. They're your current five favourites.

 

[Leinster Rugby]

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

Using your own logic, why is cejudo there?

Short run, but his record of who he has wins over is impressive as hell, and he also jumped weight classes to become a double champ.

 

[Chagaev]

Why would you put a guy from the handicap weight classes in the GOAT talk, you have P4P for them.

 

[kdday]

I don't think guys have a choice in hanging on, the guys hanging on need money or literally don't understand shit outside of fighting, they're only skills are what we see.

I also don't think a blemish detracts from previous accolades, especially if the blemish is at the end of someone's career.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Ok cool story bro.

 

[TGArthur]

Well this should be a fun 10 pages of discussion

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

So they aren't your top 5 all timers then. They're your current five favourites.

I have fighters I like more so they aren't my 5 favorites, and you do realize the title GOAT, doesn't mean all time (including future), it means up to the current time. No one is GOAT forever if someone else comes along that does more.

Like 15 years ago, the GOATs would be very different than present day. People came along that did more, and became GOATs.

 

[OneOfOne]

Eh Cejudo, beat the GOAT of flyweight, and beat 2 GOATs contenders of Bantamweight. 2 Division champ with 3 wins against legendary fighters (DJ, Cruz, and Dillashaw).

That's great but 2 of those guys were past their best years. Cejudo could have just caught those guys at the wrong time. He could have just been a favorable match up in terms of style. Perhaps he just got a bit lucky. These are all questions we cant answer when a fighter doesn't fight long enough.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Now, before I get chewed out by all the Silva and Fedor fans, hear me out.

I'm a huge fan of Fedor and Anderson, and I see that a lot of people include them as part of the top 5 GOATs or the mount rushmore of MMA...

But, I think being a contender for GOAT has to be a reflection on your entire career. While Fedor was great at one point in his career, he also sucks balls at the end of it, same with Anderson.

A lot of people don't consider Khabib to be part of the GOAT conversation because he left too soon, and I agree, it should be a reflection of your entire career and Khabib's wasn't long enough, but if it's too long, it should also negatively affect your legacy.

How can you be considered GOAT if you are losing to mediocre fighters towards the end of your career again and again?

Jones, GSP, DJ, Cejudo, and Aldo, Top 5 GOAT.

So 'getting old' should be held against a fighter's legacy, while PEDs shouldn't.

 

[Diamondsareforever47]

I personally disqualify Anderson for losing to 3 cans at the beginning/middle of his career. A GOAT should never lose to a can.

But the argument against Khabib who never lost is absurd or Fedor who never lost till the end of his prime.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I don't think you should be penalized for hanging on too long when we all know a fighter is clearly past it. Almost everyone does it.

To me its all about what you are able to do when you are in your prime or close to it. Its about the performances you put on, how many guys you can beat, what kind of streak or run you can put together, how many titles you can win, and what your record looks like at your peak.

Khabib was definitely on his way but he quit too soon to really be in the discussion.

I suspect Khabib probably lost some of his actual prime rather than quiting when he sensed he was on the way down, GSP is probably a better example of that happening.

 

[FloydMayweatherMMA]

I have fighters I like more so they aren't my 5 favorites, and you do realize the title GOAT, doesn't mean all time (including future), it means up to the current time. No one is GOAT forever if someone else comes along that does more.

Like 15 years ago, the GOATs would be very different than present day. People came along that did more, and became GOATs.

All time means all of time. Words have meaning, you can't change that to suit your agenda.

That's why declaring anybody the GOAT is silly.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

I don't think guys have a choice in hanging on, the guys hanging on need money or literally don't understand shit outside of fighting, they're only skills are what we see.

I also don't think a blemish detracts from previous accolades, especially if the blemish is at the end of someone's career.

I think a few blemishes are fine, but when you go on a protracted long downfall.. more so in Silva's case than Fedor (who just started playing who can land first against fat old heavyweights in bellator and has done decent at that to be fair)

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

All time means all of time. Words have meaning, you can't change that to suit your agenda.

That's why declaring anybody the GOAT is silly.

You can't declare you are the best in the future... lol. come on now.

Is GSP GOAT back in 1999 before he ever fought?

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

I think Fedor and Silva are top 5 GOATS
Fedor was unbeaten for 10 years beating elite HWs way bigger than him
Silva was also unbeaten for a long time (longest title reign in UFC history)

 

[OneOfOne]

To this day only Fedor, Jones, Anderson, GSP, Aldo, and DJ had GOAT level careers. I would put Khabib, Cruz, Penn, Volk, Usman, Izzy, Liddell, Wanderlei, and Cormier on that 2nd tier.

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

So 'getting old' should be held against a fighter's legacy, while PEDs shouldn't.

PEDs should. And I can agree Jones should be out for that, but it's not definite he violated USADA on purpose. Yeah I know, he probably did it, but we don't know for sure.

It's not just getting old, it's racking up losses on your record. You can use getting old as a excuse, or you can just say they are slow, had poor reflexes, or don't have a chin. Is it really that different than some other guy who loses because they are slow, have poor reflexes, or a poor chin?

I don't think anyone should get a break for fighting while they are "old" they choose to fight, no one makes you, the result of your fights are included as part of your legacy, and if you have losses to people that are unranked and look horrible losing to unranked people, you shouldn't be GOAT.